[HN Gopher] Tech workers warned they were going to quit. The pro...
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       Tech workers warned they were going to quit. The problem is
       spiralling out
        
       Author : amrrs
       Score  : 21 points
       Date   : 2021-10-31 18:50 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | azemetre wrote:
       | Kinda curious as how companies are spinning this news internally?
       | 
       | A normal amount of churn is perfectly healthy and can be dealt
       | with, but if entire teams disappear together within a month or
       | two... I'm guessing there's where the trouble appears?
        
         | MattGaiser wrote:
         | Are they?
         | 
         | Until Friday I worked for a company with very high churn.
         | Complaints on Glassdoor. Complaints in the suggestion box.
         | 
         | Not a peep from anyone officially.
        
           | nameisname wrote:
           | I'm with a multinational multibillion dollar company and
           | entire teams will quit on core products all the time. The VPs
           | make up stats and dodge questions on calls. The reality is
           | that it's actually never really hurt the company because the
           | deals that are being made are millions of dollars and
           | delivery is guaranteed by insanely complex requirements and
           | app certifications that alternative offerings can't meet.
        
             | MattGaiser wrote:
             | Yeah, one of the naive things I thought when I joined the
             | work world was that operational excellence would matter
             | significantly. In practice, there is too much friction for
             | companies to switch unless it decays into a disaster.
        
       | MattGaiser wrote:
       | > "every organization's top priority" to keep them in the
       | workforce.
       | 
       | I wait to hear a single anecdote about a company that prioritizes
       | keeping staff over just hiring replacements.
        
         | lazypenguin wrote:
         | I used to work for a private company that had a market cap in
         | the billions of dollars and is the dominant monopoly in their
         | field. I left that job in September. Here are things they could
         | have done to make me stay (only would have needed one):
         | 
         | - Increase paid vacation from 3 weeks to 6+ weeks
         | 
         | - Increase base salary to match offers I was receiving at other
         | companies
         | 
         | - Reduce work week from 40 hours to 32 hours
         | 
         | - Hire people more experienced than me so I can learn from them
         | and keep growing
         | 
         | - Fire the toxic team member on our team who, despite being
         | junior to me in experience and ability level, was at risk of
         | becoming my manager on a long enough timeline simply because he
         | had been at the company longer than me
         | 
         | However, none of these were offered to me when I announced I
         | would be leaving. I was leaving to move to my own company so I
         | was open to being convinced to stay but there was never a
         | serious attempt. Instead everyone during my exit lamented how
         | hard it is to hire people right now. I had a good team and the
         | company is pretty decent but HR was seriously lacking when it
         | came to managing developers.
        
           | bklaasen wrote:
           | You said you weren't offered any of these, but did you tell
           | your boss that you'd have stayed if any of your conditions
           | had been met?
        
             | halfmatthalfcat wrote:
             | I think the broader point is that the onus should not be on
             | the employee but on the employer. The employer should be
             | ahead of the employee anticipating needs and reacting to
             | broader market trends. Even if the company isn't seeing
             | significant levels of attrition yet, they should be extra
             | attentive and provide incentives to stay before the
             | employee has decided to leave. By then, it's usually too
             | little too late.
        
       | orionblastar wrote:
       | I dropped out in 2002. I got burned out and my health was not so
       | good. Profits over people my employers wanted and used IT as
       | slave workers with little benefits. I now work for myself with my
       | own business.
        
       | Factorium wrote:
       | COVID-era restrictions to Europe and India are dropping on
       | November 8th. Be prepared for a reflux of desperate migrants who
       | will happily take those jobs.
       | 
       | (Disclaimer: I'm one of them).
        
         | tasogare wrote:
         | > Be prepared for a reflux of desperate migrants
         | 
         | No worry, be assured I'll register on the consular electoral
         | list of to vote Zemmour at the next election to stop the
         | madness.
        
         | Dma54rhs wrote:
         | Same bro, but in 6 months.
        
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