[HN Gopher] Rich Salz to OpenSSL: Please change your mind
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Rich Salz to OpenSSL: Please change your mind
Author : dogecoinbase
Score : 56 points
Date : 2021-10-29 16:12 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| rektide wrote:
| Really good read on this recently, "The QUIC API OpenSSL Will Not
| Provide"[1].
|
| Having read that, very nice to see this, a proper more directly
| targeted plea for sensibility go out.
|
| [1] https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/10/25/the-quic-api-
| openssl-... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29038728
| egberts1 wrote:
| Regarding Rich Salz's closing remark "No matter how far down the
| wrong road you've gone, turn back.", I, for one, have seen this
| remark made before elsewhere.
|
| it was in Tomas Mraz's email signature. Mr. Mraz is working as a
| contractor for OpenSSL Project. His stint was working for Red Hat
| Enterprise Linux, Czech branch as a maintainer of cryptography-
| related pacakages, but it wasn't a paid position much less full-
| time.
|
| Now Mr. Mraz started works recently as a cybersecurity auditor
| for National Cyber and Information Security Agency,
| Czechoslovakia (unkib.cz). His first paid security-related job
| outside of OpenSSL, presumably.
|
| I suspect that there is a indirect jab in there somewhere and not
| directed against Mr. Mraz either.
| richsalz wrote:
| > I suspect that there is a indirect jab in there somewhere and
| not directed against Mr. Mraz either.
|
| Mraz is not a member of the OMC, so the jab wasn't at him :)
| iakov wrote:
| Just letting you know that Czechoslovakia does not exist any
| more. A few decades ago it became Czech republic and Slovak
| republic.
|
| It's fascinating to me how people don't know this.
| betaby wrote:
| I was browsing some Time magazines from the 1960s and was
| surprised such a known magazine was using Russia instead of
| USSR in myriads of articles. I guess the same goes here.
| nix23 wrote:
| >I apologize if my strong language offended anyone, that was not
| my intent
|
| I hate when someone has to write that, the mail is clear, fair
| and describes a personal opinion, there is no point to apologize,
| f**ing pc culture.
| throwawa21782 wrote:
| He didn't _have_ to write it. He chose to because he was upset
| but still wanted to connect with the reader (not _you_ the
| reader, but the actual intended recipient) and is exercising
| emotional intelligence and compassion. Something an
| emotionally-reactionary half-wit could benefit greatly from
| learning.
| tux3 wrote:
| I agree, but that last sentence is unnecessary, throwaway
| account or not.
| [deleted]
| dsr_ wrote:
| This is a letter about governing; it's inherently political.
| People do tend to take offense when their decisions are being
| questioned, and Rich is being polite. Nothing wrong with that.
| nix23 wrote:
| >People do tend to take offense when their decisions are
| being questioned
|
| Yes, your problem if your offended, not the writer other
| ones, the mail is fair polite and not aggressive, if your
| offended about fair personal criticism f*ck off and find
| another job.
|
| Being offended by other/different opinions is what hitler,
| mao and stalin had in common.
| klyrs wrote:
| > Being offended by other/different opinions is what
| hitler, mao and stalin had in common.
|
| Wow. I wish I could favorite this comment.
|
| Are you aware that the emotions you're feeling are neatly
| categorized as "offended by different opinions"? Do you see
| yourself as equivalent to mao/stalin/hitler? Asking out of
| morbid curiosity.
| dshoemaker wrote:
| You actually can favorite comments in HN by clicking on
| the timestamp and then clicking favorite.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29042178
| nix23 wrote:
| No premature apology comparing me to mao/stalin/hitler?
| Asking out of morbid curiosity.
| klyrs wrote:
| Absolutely not, I wouldn't want to offend!
| BugsJustFindMe wrote:
| > _Being offended by other /different opinions is what
| hitler, mao and stalin had in common._
|
| It sounds like you're offended by the author's
| other/different opinion on the matter.
|
| > _your problem if your offended, not the writer..._
|
| I see a significant amount of irony in someone getting very
| upset ("I hate", "fucking pc", "fuck off") over what
| someone says because they think that people should get less
| upset over what other people say.
| dragonwriter wrote:
| > Being offended by other/different opinions is what
| hitler, mao and stalin had in common.
|
| It's also what people _offended by_ Hitler, Stalin, and
| Mao's opinions about, e.g., correct behavior of the state
| have in common.
| nerdponx wrote:
| It has nothing to do with PC culture. People of all kinds get
| personally attached to things and take personal offense where
| none should exist.
| [deleted]
| saurik wrote:
| I am confused: I thought just days ago the curl author was upset
| that OpenSSL had decided to stop working on QUIC, but now someone
| is pleading with them to stop working on QUIC, as if they were
| still working on QUIC, but I thought they weren't working on QUIC
| anymore?
|
| (FWIW, as a user of OpenSSL, I am on team "don't put QUIC in
| OpenSSL". If they are going to prioritize anything, it should be
| DTLS 1.3.)
| yurymik wrote:
| There was a patch that adds QUIC support, but recently steering
| committee have announced that they are not going to merge it
| and will implement their own version instead.
| rurban wrote:
| Just get your openssl QUIC support here:
| https://github.com/quictls/openssl
| nerdponx wrote:
| Maybe the HN title can be "Please change your mind about QUIC",
| since that's what most of it is about.
| richsalz wrote:
| If you read the proposed project plan, OpenSSL next couple of
| releases are in fact "all about QUIC" So asking I thought the
| Subject line was accurate.
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