[HN Gopher] Computer-1 mini-ITX Chassis
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Computer-1 mini-ITX Chassis
Author : bkmn
Score : 319 points
Date : 2021-10-28 15:35 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| lloydatkinson wrote:
| That's the worst monitor I've ever seen, about half way down the
| page. What's up with that?
| vvilliamperez wrote:
| Square or portrait aspect monitors rock for most computer work
| that's not media. Give it a try sometime.
| zemo wrote:
| tech products seem to always fall into one of two camps:
|
| - made by an evil society-destroying corporation
|
| - sold out forever
| actually_a_dog wrote:
| IMO, most likely because the tendency for a corporation to turn
| into something "evil [and] society-destroying" increases with
| size.
| djanogo wrote:
| Having built ITX for NAS before I would highly suggest to get a
| SAMA IM01 mATX case which is almost as small as an ITX case and
| will let you avoid ITX price premiums on MB's, RAM, and GPX
| cards. mATX MB's are much cheaper and will give you lot more
| options.
|
| https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16811197012
| mrtweetyhack wrote:
| nice advertisement
| atombender wrote:
| Anyone know who makes that industrial-looking plywood top table
| shown in the photos?
| jdhawk wrote:
| It says:
|
| NEW! FIELD DESK AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST
|
| CONTACT US
| bartrab wrote:
| This is nice, but I just built my first ITX based SFFPC in the
| GEEK G1 SE and would consider it to have fewer frills, while not
| requiring assembly, and about half the price. I don't see it
| mentioned too often so wanted to share it as an option if you
| want to go this route but keep it simple. Great airflow too :)
| https://www.geeekstore.com/shop/geeek-g1-se-miniitx-case/
| caconym_ wrote:
| 180mm GPU is a shame. Would be an instant buy for me otherwise,
| but if you want to build a capable gaming machine I think that's
| a real stretch.
| criddell wrote:
| What monitor is that?
| vikbez wrote:
| Eizo EV2730Q-BK
| spiderfarmer wrote:
| More interesting than the chassis. If this had 3840x3840
| resolution I would buy two of them. The 1:1 aspect ratio is
| very attractive.
| elromulous wrote:
| Re: mini itx cases, I'm surprised no one is mentioning the
| meshlicious case[1] (linking to Newegg because ssupd's website
| seems to always be so slow). The nice thing about this case is
| that it comes with a pcie riser allowing for some pretty large
| GPUs to fit in it.
|
| [1] https://www.newegg.com/black-ssupd-meshlicious-mini-
| itx/p/2A...
| capableweb wrote:
| Interesting design! But I have to wonder how well it works in
| places with hairy animals in them, or places that have more
| dust than general (older buildings, exposed "hipster" walls and
| on so on). Cleaning the inside of the PC once a year would
| probably not be enough anymore.
| lwhsiao wrote:
| Just did two builds in this case and absolutely love it!
| Re:Hair/dust, the side panels are so easy to remove that it's
| been no problem to just hit it with a duster every once in a
| while. It's small enough to easily take outside for a cleaning,
| compared to the effort needed to clean my full tower.
| gbrindisi wrote:
| Beautiful but no thanks, too expensive.
|
| I am constantly searching for good itx cases but at this point
| given the prices I see I'd rather buy an Ender3 and print one
| myself.
| cletus wrote:
| I'm a big fan of this form factor, specifically just big enough
| to fit a motherboard/CPU/RAM plus a real-size GPU. These all use
| SFX PSUs and typically just an M2 SSD on the motherboard. They
| also have only 2 RAM slots.
|
| The days of needing a tower are over for most people. I'm all
| about space-saving while still having a full-power PC.
|
| It's a niche, boutique market but there are some really
| interesting cases. My personal favourite is the Louqe Ghost S1
| [1]. I've built one PC with this (the Mk II). I bought a Mk III
| case but couldn't source a GPU so ended up just buying a
| CyberpowerPC prebuilt (which is actually a pretty nice PC, to be
| fair).
|
| They're not cheap and they're kind of annoying to buy. Louqe in
| particular has had huge distribution problems in the US (through
| Amazon's logistics service).
|
| Another popular one is the Dan A4 [2]. It's smaller. I personally
| prefer the Ghost for having better airflow, being more modular
| and being able to expand the case with "top hats". This allows
| you to add a 240mm AIO and bottom fans for some pretty darn good
| cooling and airflow.
|
| Anyway, I'm always excited to see entrants in this market.
|
| [1]: https://www.louqe.com/ghost-s1/
|
| [2]: https://www.dan-cases.com/dana4.php
| wlesieutre wrote:
| I had a mini ITX case (Node 202) and liked it well enough once
| it was all closed up, but even with a modular power supply it's
| a bit of a mess to get all the cables to fit, and it was a
| nuisance to open back up. The case went together with plastic
| clips that would rather snap off instead of releasing.
|
| But last time I upgraded my computer I switched to micro ATX
| and I'm happier with that size. Any maintenance or upgrades are
| a breeze with room to get your fingers around the components, I
| didn't need to buy a special low profile CPU cooler, it's small
| enough, and if I need an extra PCIe slot for something I've got
| it.
|
| The new computer is mounted it to under my desk where it's out
| of the way. Unless you're carrying your desktop around to LAN
| parties I think this is an overall nicer solution to "desktops
| take up space" than tiny form factor cases.
| rglullis wrote:
| Do people still have LAN parties?
| wolrah wrote:
| > Do people still have LAN parties?
|
| I averaged one or two a year through the 2010s, but my last
| one was in early 2020 for obvious reasons.
|
| While most games can be played over the internet these days
| and voice/video chat is now accessible enough that the
| experience can be pretty close, in the end there's still
| nothing like being in the same room as your friends when
| you're either cooperating to take down a raid boss or
| taunting them after a headshot.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| I know someone who's building a mini ITX computer with one
| of AMD's APUs for convenient LAN party travel, so it's a
| non-zero number! Been years since I went to one.
| 2muchcoffeeman wrote:
| What happened to external graphics cards? That seems to be the
| way forward to me.
| charwalker wrote:
| r/sffpc is solid with a spreadsheet covering parts, cases, etc
| for compatibility and more. I just moved into a Lian Li Q58
| from an SG05, bigger but cooler.
| karmicthreat wrote:
| The Dr Zaber Sentry case is also pretty good
| http://zaber.com.pl/sentry/. I'm not sure they will make them
| again though. Mine is pretty nice, though you need to be
| careful about your GPU size.
| chx wrote:
| The gathering place for fans is
| https://smallformfactor.net/forum/
| zepolen wrote:
| > The days of needing a tower are over for most people. I'm all
| about space-saving while still having a full-power PC
|
| If you want a powerful space saving device, get a powerful
| laptop. If you want power, cooling, adaptability and room you
| get a tower.
|
| This mini desktop form factor is the worst of both worlds.
|
| There are laptops with 16 threads, a 3080, 2x nvme and 2x ram
| slots and weigh 5lbs that run at 70C at full throttle, 40C
| idling - oh and integrated 3 hour UPS.
|
| A tower otoh can fit 8+ disks, 2 or 3 gpus, plenty of _quiet_
| cooling and most importantly doesn 't make you cuss every time
| you add/change a component because there is lots of room to get
| your hands in there.
|
| You want a portable tower? Get one with handles on it. How
| often do you really move it anyway.
| arvinsim wrote:
| Don't forget the NR200P [1] which is mass produced and cheap.
|
| [1]: https://www.coolermaster.com/sg/en-sg/catalog/cases/mini-
| itx...
| formerly_proven wrote:
| Big annoyance with SFF builds is noise. Many of these are
| overall smaller than just my GPU and CPU cooler, and SFX PSUs
| have smaller fans and aren't available in passive
| configurations. And they're usually more expensive than a more
| normal-sized build.
| cletus wrote:
| There are really two flavours of SFF PC: those with a full-
| power GPU (typically for gaming or professional use) and
| those that don't. For the latter, it shouldn't be too hard to
| build something even passively cooled. You can go even
| smaller. I know less about this space because it hasn't been
| my focus however.
|
| Gaming SFF PCs are my jam and here the Louqe Ghost S1 holds
| up extremely well:
|
| 1. It takes almost all double-slot cards. Getting something a
| little shorter can help in terms of getting the card in and
| out and for cable management but there's really no need to
| shop for a specific shorter model. The more than two slot
| cards (eg RTX 3090, RX6900XT) won't fit but say a 3080
| (assuming you can even get one) will be just fine;
|
| 2. My personal preference for PSU is something like the
| Corsair SF750. It's a 750W highly-rated SFX form factor PSU.
| It works well, can power a 3080 system and seems to be
| relatively quiet;
|
| 3. The Ghost with a top hat can then mount something like an
| NZXT Kraken X530 AIO to cool your PC. This is going to cut
| down a lot of your noise; and
|
| 4. With a separate top hat on the bottom of the case you
| mount two quality Noctua 120mm fans in exhaust (meaning it
| pulls air from the case).
|
| The net effect of all this is that air is drawn in from the
| sides and expelled out from the top and bottom. It is also a
| negative pressure set up, meaning there is more force for
| exhaust than intake.
|
| Positive pressure would be nice for keeping dust out of your
| case but negative pressure here is better for airflow and
| thus noise (by operating at lower RPM).
|
| The above will have almost full case power and airflow and be
| relatively quiet. It won't be as good as you can get with a
| full or mid tower case but it's pretty darn close.
| Already__Taken wrote:
| the mobo is the itx premium tax, sff PSUs aren't so bad, bit
| more. itx mobos seem to start at double matx.
| PragmaticPulp wrote:
| > Big annoyance with SFF builds is noise.
|
| Not really any more. Most popular mini-ITX cases for
| enthusiasts support 240mm AIOs for CPU cooling. Noctua even
| has low-profile air coolers that fit in some mini-ITX cases
| and rival their biggest heatsinks in performance.
|
| The SFX PSUs are slightly more expensive, but the good ones
| are so efficient that the fans won't even turn on during
| normal (non-gaming) use.
|
| Modern SFF builds can be extremely quiet.
| formerly_proven wrote:
| They do OK in noise-normalized tests, which are good for
| comparing and still relatively easy to perform. They're
| inadequate for quiet operation though. In fact the huge
| coolers I am using currently are barely adequate for their
| respective components - they require clearly audible fan
| speeds to avoid unhealthily high temperatures under
| sustained load. Certainly not extremely quiet; I'm not
| _really_ happy with it, and I have the best air coolers
| with some of the best fans and the best thermal compound on
| the market and I have very carefully tuned fan profiles.
| Water cooling would offer slightly better cooling
| performance, but it has other issues - mainly pump and
| motor noise - plus it 's rather expensive (more than 10x
| the cost of air cooling).
|
| You can of course make an extremely quiet SFF build, just
| not with an upper-midrange CPU and a highend GPU. With the
| same components you can make a decently quiet mid-tower
| desktop, like I have.
|
| ("Extremely quiet", "virtually noiseless" and so on are
| pet-peeve phrases of mine - I'm always assuming that
| marketing people are half-deaf because they keep referring
| to stuff emitting 20 dBa or more like this.)
| PragmaticPulp wrote:
| If your goal is as close to noiseless as possible, a big
| case with a lot of sound dampening material is the way to
| go.
|
| However, the modern SFF experience is much better than
| you give it credit for. An AMD 5950X with a 240mm AIO in
| a mini-ITX case is easy these days and it keeps the CPU
| temperature in a reasonable range.
|
| But if your goal is a no-compromise quietest build
| possible, obviously you don't want to get a small case.
|
| > plus it's rather expensive (more than 10x the cost of
| air cooling).
|
| I'm not sure where you're getting these numbers, but
| modern AIO water cooling isn't that expensive.
|
| You can get a good 240mm AIO cooler for about 1.5X the
| price of a good air cooler:
| https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Radiator-Software-Control-
| Liq...
| formerly_proven wrote:
| > I'm not sure where you're getting these numbers, but
| modern AIO water cooling isn't that expensive.
|
| I could have been more clear here, I meant a custom-loop,
| not an AIO since they're a sidegrade to a top-end air-
| cooler at best.
|
| > However, the modern SFF experience is much better than
| you give it credit for. An AMD 5950X with a 240mm AIO in
| a mini-ITX case is easy these days and it keeps the CPU
| temperature in a reasonable range.
|
| I don't see the contradiction - you can have a quiet SSF
| build, and you can have pretty powerful SFF builds
| (enthusiast GPUs might be a problem), but you can't
| really have both at the same time... at least not under
| load.
| PragmaticPulp wrote:
| > I could have been more clear here, I meant a custom-
| loop, not an AIO since they're a sidegrade to a top-end
| air-cooler at best.
|
| Custom loop and an AIO of the same size are going to
| perform the same. I don't understand why you're
| suggesting that water cooling costs "10X" as much as air
| cooling when that's clearly not true.
|
| An AIO and a custom loop with the same size radiator will
| perform the same. I've done custom loops and I've done
| AIOs. There's nothing special about a custom loop other
| than you get to mix and match different components.
|
| Also, the top-end air coolers like Noctua perform almost
| as well as liquid cooling these days.
|
| > I don't see the contradiction - you can have a quiet
| SSF build, and you can have pretty powerful SFF builds
| (enthusiast GPUs might be a problem), but you can't
| really have both at the same time... at least not under
| load.
|
| I'm telling you - I have a 5950X and a 240mm AIO in a SFF
| and it's quiet. I could move the same CPU and the same
| AIO to a big case with sound dampening and it might be
| marginally quieter, but not by a huge amount. The only
| real difference is when I'm running the GPU at full tilt
| during gaming, but it's undervolted and I can't hear it
| over the game anyway so I really don't care.
| formerly_proven wrote:
| > This isn't true.
|
| I don't understand why you claim something is not true,
| then say the same thing with different words.
| frio wrote:
| The space is evolving. https://www.winterdesign.co/ --
| this ultimately proved too expensive to produce in large
| quantities (due to the massive spike in the price of
| Aluminium), but it's a mini-ITX case with 2x280mm
| radiators.
|
| I managed get one cheap-ish from the Kickstarter, and
| while it's got some flaws (and was a total bastard to
| build in -- it's a very small space to do a custom loop),
| it's everything promised on the tin; small, quiet,
| powerful (5600X and a 6800XT -- even when gaming the fans
| don't ramp above 40%, though admittedly that may change
| in summer).
| ChuckMcM wrote:
| > The days of needing a tower are over for most people. I'm all
| about space-saving while still having a full-power PC.
|
| Have you seen the air-cooler on a threadripper ?! :-)
|
| I don't really disagree with you but I like my old tower box
| because it has lots of room and easy to work on, and I realize
| that was why I liked my old car because engine compartment had
| lots of room to work.
| anticensor wrote:
| MicroATX Threadripper boards are theoretically possible, if
| you go chipsetless like in X300 or EPYC.
| ptomato wrote:
| heck, I have an epyc on an almost-ITX (https://www.asrockrack
| .com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=R...) board now, and any
| of the noctua TR4/SP3 tower coolers will cool it fine.
| Hamuko wrote:
| > _I 'm a big fan of this form factor, specifically just big
| enough to fit a motherboard/CPU/RAM plus a real-size GPU._
|
| This doesn't really fit any decent GPU at 180 mm. I think the
| single-fan ASUS RTX 3060 Phoenix is 177 mm and would just fit,
| but I'd be a bit worried about the cooling at that point.
| 015a wrote:
| My last two builds (going about ~7 years) have been mini ITX.
| The builds tend to be more frustrating (I wouldn't say harder;
| just more frustrating and longer), but the end result is always
| more pleasing.
|
| The biggest thing that I wish were more accessible within the
| mini-ITX form factor is 10Gbps ethernet. Maybe with thunderbolt
| it could now exist as an external dongle, with the right
| motherboard, but internally there's few options today. Very few
| mini-ITX boards offer anything faster than 1Gbps, and of course
| have no additional PCI-E slots (despite the chipset bandwidth
| being more than ample).
|
| I believe Intel's enthusiast Alder Lake chipset (x690 IIRC)
| specifies 2.5Gbps ethernet as minimum spec, which is nice; but
| it ain't 10Gbps. This is something that Mac just plain-out does
| better, no argument; the Mac Mini has had 10Gbps ethernet as an
| option for years.
| philg_jr wrote:
| If you're willing to pay, the supermicro Xeon-D mini-itx
| boards have 10Gbps NICs. ECC support is also nice.
| CameronNemo wrote:
| The NXP LX2K stuff has lots of networking IO.
|
| _HoneyComb is a feature-rich Mini ITX platform [...] based
| on NXP's [...] 16 core LX2160A Arm Cortex A72 (2GHz) offering
| up to 64GB DDR4 (dual channel) and up to 40GbE._
|
| https://www.solid-run.com/arm-servers-networking-
| platforms/h...
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| cerved wrote:
| but it doesn't fit my dual xeon supermicro EEATX
| fetus8 wrote:
| I agree wholeheartedly. I built my first ITX machine at the
| beginning of 2021, and the case choices were fairly dire. The
| Ghost S1 was sold out, and finding anything else with a decent
| aesthetic that didn't cost $200+ USD was near impossible. I
| settled on a Silverstone SG13, which is great utilitarian case,
| and supports decent sized GPUs.
|
| Finding a GPU to fit a SFF case this year was a whole other
| issue, but I too am glad to see some more companies get into
| this space. I want some nicer ITX options, I want to see the
| variety that ATX and "larger" cases see.
| cletus wrote:
| Before my Ghost some 7-8 years ago I built a SFF PC with a
| Silverstone case. IIRC it was the SG08. It's old enough that
| it had a tray and a slot to put a slimline optical drive. It
| wasn't a bad case and had a decent PSU included but it was a
| bit fiddly. For example, you had to remove a few things to
| get into the case properly. I also ended up breaking the wire
| to some button at the back.
|
| But yeah I sympathize with the issues in sourcing the Ghost.
| My first one took like 8 months to get.
| PragmaticPulp wrote:
| Agreed. There's an entire world of Small Form Factor cases
| available now with great features.
|
| This Teenage Engineering chassis is neat and has a cool
| aesthetic, but it's definitely a form-over-function design.
| Great if you're going for a certain vibe, but not ideal for a
| high power build, or even a quiet mid-range build.
|
| Those tiny fans and limited ventilation holes are not going to
| cut it for anything but a very low-power build. I'd be looking
| at the lowest power CPUs and GPUs available for this case. I'm
| not even sure why they limited it to such small (read: loud)
| fans when they seem to have the space for larger fans.
|
| Optimum Tech's YouTube channel has some great mini-ITX case
| reviews for anyone new to this space:
| https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv8HwYhBwOOpUFPiBs6QG...
| karolsputo wrote:
| Optimum Tech is the place to go when evaluating any PC part
| or peripheral. The work put into the videos is simply
| unmatched, with its scientific precision, in the space and it
| doesn't go overboard in the recommendations. It keeps in mind
| everyday things like value for money, availability and
| practicality.
| phkahler wrote:
| For quiet with integrated graphics I find this non-commercial
| 3d printed option quite nice:
|
| https://github.com/phkahler/mellori_ITX
|
| The one and only fan is the CPU fan, which is also used to
| blow air through the case and out holes in the bottom. I look
| forward to the next iteration, but my current system does
| everything I need without missing a beat.
|
| But then I'm biased in this area...
| acomjean wrote:
| I like handles. I had mac pros with them (g4 and original). My
| system76 mini desktop has a nice case and is significantly
| lighter, but the handles are a nice touch.
|
| The mention literally crashing the machine on the original
| design when the case broke, hopefully means this one is quite
| sturdy.
| SergeAx wrote:
| I don't know about this "boutique" vibe. For me the entire idea
| of a desktop PC is saying "no" to any trade-offs. There's so
| little actual difference in footprint between those and classic
| middle-tower that it actually does not make any sense to me.
| Instead I prefer to have an ability to infinite expansion and
| upgrade. What if I want a super wide bandwidth storage for some
| data processing? I will buy an expansion PCI card for like 40
| bucks and put 4 M.2 NVMes there as RAID0 stripe. Having an
| ability to expand RAM instead of trading in is quite good too.
| And last, but not least, a question of price. $200 for a case
| without PSU?!
| vhodges wrote:
| The size difference can be substantial.
|
| I have an Antec something-500 from 15 years ago and a
| Caselabs ITX case that is larger (for custom cooling, etc - I
| never did use the space) and in 2018 transplanted the guts
| into a SFF from Sliger and I could fit four of my new case
| into the Caselabs case - and they are commanding quite the
| premium in the afterlife.
|
| Height and Width are less than my MacBook Pro (deeper of
| course but still only 13.5cm)
|
| I don't compromise on much, sure there's only a single PCIe
| slot but it's got a full size GPU in it (rx5700 reference
| design), a 650W Gold modular (SFX) power supply. RAM is 16G
| (lots for my use case - the MB is 2015, not sure it supports
| more - but with 64G sticks I don't think two slots is much of
| a limit), a M2 PCIe drive and a separate 2.5" SSD, two Noctua
| 120mm case fans and a decent after market CPU cooler. It's
| quiet and it runs cool.
|
| Lastly on price. A good quality power supply is going to run
| you 150-200 and most decent cases are in the 150-200 range
| without a power supply anyways. These are small run
| manufacturers too so that makes them pricy too, but they'll
| last 5-10 years (eg a couple of MB upgrades) so worth the
| investment to some.
|
| They are a pain in the ass to build in though :). (The Ghost
| looks a bit easier but wasn't really available at the time)
| SergeAx wrote:
| One PCI slot is effectively zero PCI slots because I don't
| know who is seriously using internal graphics. Maybe as a
| temporary solution to get things up and running and buy GPU
| later (doesn't work with AMD, though). This, by the way, is
| another perk of a desktop PC - the ability to postpone some
| upgrades.
|
| To expand the RAM you will have to buy new sticks first and
| then try to sell old ones, with the discount, of course. My
| ATX board supports 4 sticks, so I could start with just one
| 16Gb (with bandwidth penalty, but still) and pump it up to
| 64Gb without any reselling hussle. I am also a happy owner
| of ASRock B350 motherboard so it is 6 years from Zen 1 to
| Zen 3 all the way for me.
|
| I don't even want to start bragging about switching from
| air to water cooling for silence sake, I don't think it is
| even possible with mini ITX form factor.
|
| So, once again, for me the main perk of desktop PC is
| upgradability, and mini ITX seriously impairs that.
| ctippett wrote:
| If you don't mind limiting your CPU choices, there's
| nothing stopping you from using one of AMD's CPUs that
| come with integrated graphics. I did this for a short
| while with a Ryzen 5 2400G before purchasing an external
| graphics card (and eventually replacing the CPU too).
| vhodges wrote:
| I don't game (but would like to be able too). I ran
| _intel_ integrated graphics for 5 years and never missed
| a thing ;).
|
| I put 16G in my machine in '15 and rarely exceed 3-4G
| daily use even today (and for a long time 1-2G daily - I
| recently switched to Budgie desktop so it's jumped a
| bit). At this point I'd just buy new ram and the two
| sticks I have go into the surplus pile but my motherboard
| (depend on source) only supports 16 (it's oldish also
| from 2015)
|
| There are water cooling for SFF cases (mine can take a
| 120MM radiator for instance - the ghost mentioned
| upthread can take up to a full 360 with the tophat) but I
| put a Noctua CPU cooler in and changed out the fan on it.
| Stays nice and cool. My Caselabs itx case could do up to
| 3 360MM Radiators but was not SFF (by a large amount!).
|
| On the upgrade path, it's so long between that I usually
| just build a new machine, 6+ years so far on my current
| desktop and good enough until I find it not. By then,
| DDR5. PCIE 4.x, etc, etc
|
| I am not trying to convince you to get one, just show
| that there's a market for SFF... just like there's one
| for latops, rackmounts, NUCS, stickpcs, Pis and yes even
| EATX Threadripper monsters in cases on casters ;)
| maxekman wrote:
| They just continue to surprise.. Incredible talent and
| inspiration in that company! Makes me proud to be a Swede. :)
| solarkraft wrote:
| Does anyone have DIY designs (shapes to mill/laser cut) for
| something similar to this? I refuse to pay more than 50EUR for a
| case, yet would like something somewhat compact and able to hold
| my 4 3,5" and 2 2,5" drives (cooling requirements are not very
| high).
| rvz wrote:
| Would rather wait for the Mac Mini M2 with no fan than buy this
| junk.
| flatiron wrote:
| you are comparing an all in one non-upgradeable computer with a
| computer chassis to build your own computer. i dont think they
| are really comparable
| rvz wrote:
| Good. Makes it even easier to ignore it.
|
| And regardless, why bother building with a fancy box with
| this when the CPUs and GPUs available for the mini-ITX are
| going to be 10,000 times slower than the M1 and 100,000 time
| slower than the M1 Max?
|
| Not going to throw money on something and build a computer
| that is already going to be behind the state of the art.
|
| Given that Linux is coming to Apple Silicon machines, it is
| already going to blow whatever available parts you build with
| this mini-ITX out of the pacific ocean.
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| > And regardless, why bother building with a fancy box with
| this when the CPUs and GPUs available for the mini-ITX are
| going to be 10,000 times slower than the M1 and 100,000
| time slower than the M1 Max?
|
| The benchmarks I can find seem to put M1 family at _maybe_
| 2-3 times faster than x86. Except for the benchmarks that
| are slower, of course. The new versions might be even
| better, but they 're not _that_ much better.
| flatiron wrote:
| They rightfully are compared with laptop chips. Desktop
| chips still beat the M1 but they are in a different
| class.
| bendbro wrote:
| Totally agree, 100% team Apple. In the immortal words of
| Apple PR: "what's a computer?" Like its 2021, do you really
| want to associate with people that call themselves the "PC
| m*ster r*ce"? Ummm gross, no, f*scist vibes, im out, haha.
| Also, I've heard these so called gaming "rigs" (do they
| burn diesel... like what) use a TON of electricity... so
| much so that California outlawed them (nice!). If you're
| looking for a superior fanless youtube cat video machine
| (so cute), I'd highly recommend the newest iPad over the
| Mac. Apple has put a lot of blood (ew), sweat, and tears
| into ensuring this is the thinnest (NON-computing hehe)
| experience that you can possibly have, so send your support
| in hard earned $$$. I mean even if you don't have those
| (America is an oppressive state after all), Apple offers an
| inclusive payment plan. A mortgage for your computer! They
| really thought of it all!
| Synaesthesia wrote:
| The M1 is very fast and efficient but you exaggerate a
| little.
| fuzzythinker wrote:
| @teenage.engineering - the 2nd - 3rd line of hero text is hidden
| by the image on mobile.
| filleokus wrote:
| I was actually just today looking at chassis like this for an
| upcoming build, really good timing! This looks really neat.
|
| However, I'm leaning more towards a horizontal chassi (think like
| a piece of stereo equipment or something). I think it could be
| pretty nice to have it lying on a shelf / on top of a AV rack,
| and then run a Thunderbolt cable to a small desk nearby.
|
| I found the F12C from Streacom [0] which matches my aesthetic
| bend perfectly (it is available without the hideous optical media
| slot). But it's a tad to thick.. Thinner by mounting the graphics
| card rotated with a raiser would be awesome. Any tips greatly
| appreciated!
|
| https://streacom.com/products/f12c-atx-case/
| Hamuko wrote:
| Probably look for HTPC cases?
|
| For example https://www.thermaltake.com/core-g3.html or
| https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?area=en&pid=488
| [deleted]
| PascLeRasc wrote:
| I've wanted to build a PC in the Cryorig Taku for a few years
| now. http://www.cryorig.com/taku.php
|
| But the Node 202 would be the much cheaper option.
| gbrindisi wrote:
| wow that's a beauty!
| shantanujoshi wrote:
| Given that the ncase is now out of production this may be one of
| the best sub 10L cases out there. Hybrid 2 slot card in my ncase
| would likely slot perfectly fine in this guy.
|
| Also y'all gotta stop hating on this price it's actually very
| reasonable in the sff pc case market.
| nbzklr wrote:
| Oh damn, didn't know that they stopped production. Seems like I
| got lucky then when I ordered mine last month. It is truly an
| amazing case!
| davidjfelix wrote:
| ncase can fit a much larger card -- it looks like this can only
| hold a 180mm dual slot.
| jiveturkey wrote:
| They intentionally load a blurred image before the real image, as
| if you are viewing a progressive jpeg (for all their products,
| not just this chassis). highly annoying. i'll pass on this design
| aesthetic myself!
| an9n wrote:
| Hipsters...
| crisdux wrote:
| That's a very expensive price for unassembled computer case with
| questionable aesthetics and missing many premium features of
| similarly priced products. I don't even think this is a good
| market fit. I don't think this case would be a good learning
| tool.
| ansgri wrote:
| The bright (and not stupid 'gamer' rgb) colors are worth a
| premium for me. Show me some non-boring cases!
| SrslyJosh wrote:
| No drive cage? How does everything mount? They've provided zero
| photos of the interior of an assembled machine.
| augustuspolius wrote:
| You don't think there is a market fit and yet it's already sold
| out? I am not defending the form factor or esthetics, but TE
| has a huge following and their products are usually very
| successful.
| LegitShady wrote:
| The market fit is existing TE fans that buy anything they
| make. Their page doesn't even say why you want this over
| something else or its functional features. Its not really a
| market product so much as low run TE fanservice. That's why
| it sold out - because they didn't make more than they
| expected to sell.
| incompleteCode wrote:
| And if they profited from it, isn't that enough? There's a
| market, however small, and they produced enough. I would
| argue that TE knows its customers really well.
| LegitShady wrote:
| Its a bit like an art piece. Its like YouTubers writing
| novels or comic books and selling them to their existing
| audience. Is the money real? For sure. But they're really
| not competing with anyone in a market they're just
| relying on a small group of people who buy whatever they
| make. Good for them but not really interesting in its own
| merits.
| MivLives wrote:
| 180mm, dual slot only gpu. That eliminates a bunch of gpus on the
| market. I guess they're targeting this at not gamers that build
| pcs?
| EamonnMR wrote:
| I would say musicians but don't most people use Macs anyway? I
| guess someone must be using Linux Renoise besides me...
| marcodiego wrote:
| Since they give something very similar to blue-prints, can it be
| considered open source? Certainly no free (as in speech) because
| they say nothing about licensing.
|
| Also, given I have dimensions and diagrams, how is called the
| type of service which builds it "from source"?
| sbierwagen wrote:
| There's plenty of companies that will lasercut metal from a
| AI/SVG/DXF file. In the US, there's https://www.ponoko.com/
|
| Any major city will have someone who can do this, though their
| website and pricing will probably be worse. Searching "laser
| cutting" in google maps gives eight different places in the
| Seattle metro area.
| marcodiego wrote:
| I've heard about a workshop that do plasma cuts. Just wanted
| to know how it is called!
| wodenokoto wrote:
| I know it's way too expensive, and it is probably terrible at
| containing fan noise ... yet ... it kinda makes me want to own a
| desktop PCs.
| ChuckMcM wrote:
| I really is an excellent design aesthetic. I would love to see
| what these folks would do with the notion of designing a modular
| home 'rack' system for in-home services.
| nightowl_games wrote:
| I love 'no frills' PC cases, but to me, this case has frills. The
| bright orange, the rounded corners and all the cutouts. This PC
| case is a 'wow! what is that weird PC case!?' type of case. I
| like cases that you dont even notice: Sliger designs [1]
|
| 1: https://www.sliger.com/products/cases/cerberus/
| amatecha wrote:
| got the email, saw it 5-6min later, already sold out. neato
| jareklupinski wrote:
| same, hope they double-down on the demand and shoot some more
| out soon
| bwbmr wrote:
| I just built a Ryzen 5800x / B550i / RTX 3080 (well, 3080 is
| arriving tomorrow) to replace an aging i7-2600k + 980ti build mid
| tower, used an 18L CoolerMaster NR200p case [1], and pretty happy
| with that case overall-- lots of flexibility, though a bit bigger
| than most of the SFF PCs.
|
| The Teenage Engineering case looks great as a non-gaming,
| everyday-use build, if a larger GPU isn't needed.
|
| [1]: https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mini-
| itx/masterbo...
| [deleted]
| orliesaurus wrote:
| I was wondering if I put a 3080 in there, would it fit?? The
| card's dimensions are 285 mm x 112 mm x 40 mm The chasis supports
| dual-slot up to 180 mm.
|
| so I think the answer is...nope :(
|
| now the next question is: what GPU can I fit that's dual and
| 180mm?
| twostorytower wrote:
| The Dan A4 can fit a 3080 (or any GPU up to 300mm). They also
| can fit an AIO!
|
| Mine stays cooler than my tower, somehow. Was not easy to
| build, but damn it is sexy.
|
| https://imgur.com/a/1hXg2Sz#db15yTr
| jszymborski wrote:
| Even if it did fit, I'd think you might start to have to worry
| about thermal throttling.
| cowgoesmoo wrote:
| I think there are some small form factor 3060s and 3060 Tis
| that will fit in this case. If you want to fit a 3080 you're
| gonna have to look at bigger cases like the NR200 or
| Meshlicious.
| jdalgetty wrote:
| neat
| Factorium wrote:
| If you want a good mini-ITX case, just buy a Node 202. You can
| use it horizontally and put your monitor on top of it.
|
| Buy power-efficient components and load it with the thickest and
| biggest Noctua PWM fans possible, and set the fan curves low, and
| its basically totally silent.
| sbierwagen wrote:
| I have a Node 202, and I wouldn't put a monitor that weighs
| more than 10 pounds on it.
|
| In horizontal mode you have a choice of obstructing the CPU or
| the GPU vent. It comes with feet, but they're not very tall.
| icedchai wrote:
| I second this. I use a Node 202 case for my firewall box.
| gambiting wrote:
| I mean...neat? But the price is insane. PS195 for a very basic
| case that you have to assemble yourself?
| abraae wrote:
| Not just assemble but actually bend/form the corners yourself.
|
| Without the benefit of seeing it in the flesh, I fear either I
| would struggle to get accurate bends (which would annoy me for
| the rest of it's life) or the case has been made flimsy so it
| bends easily.
|
| Beautiful web site and digging the orange though.
| tengbretson wrote:
| The price is pretty comparable to other enthusiast-tier mini-
| ITX cases, like the Skyreach 4 mini.
| whywhywhywhy wrote:
| Niche product you're buying for the design and aesthetic, 200
| seems very fair to me.
|
| I'll never understand the complaining about case prices, it's
| big enough to be a piece of furniture in your house, why
| wouldn't you pay more for something that looks and feels
| premium or has a design you like.
| fnord77 wrote:
| I mean, popular sliger m-itx cases are around $250
|
| https://www.sliger.com/products/cases/s620/
| shantanujoshi wrote:
| In the SFF (small form factor) case game this is a quite
| reasonable price. Check out the ncase, ghost s1, etc.
| favorited wrote:
| The Ncase is no more, sadly. The company is still around, so
| everyone is expecting they'll have a new case eventually, but
| the M1 is EOL.
| listic wrote:
| But why?
| favorited wrote:
| Here's their statement:
| https://ncases.com/blogs/news/farewell-m1-classic
|
| My read is that there's a lot more competition now. The
| M1 just isn't as competitive with (for example) the NR200
| being so similar, 1/2 the price, and produced by a major
| manufacturer/system integrator.
|
| It's not the SFF case that I'm using now, but it's the
| one I used the longest and was certainly the most
| versatile. If I hadn't decided to build my first custom
| loop in the Meshlicious, I'd still be using my M1 today.
| LegitShady wrote:
| Its not for computer people it's for teenage engineering
| people. There's a big difference.
|
| Not to be too mean about it (I do own an op-z) but there's a
| subset of synthheads who will buy whatever they put out.
|
| The price is about double what i expect anyone else to sell it
| for so that is about on par with most of their stuff.
|
| The most interesting thing to me is that they don't seem to
| give you a reason to want to buy it over some other mitx case.
| Its just "we made a small computer case it's small!". They're
| marketing to their own fans with this.
| wyre wrote:
| A synth head looking for a SFF should get a Mac mini, much
| better value for music production than this tiny pc.
|
| I think their just showcasing their proof of concept.
| whywhywhywhy wrote:
| It's not a PC it's a case and it was designed for their own
| team computer needs which is presumably a nice looking case
| for a high end build to run CAD software.
|
| The number of PC components that look nice, not the
| designed for gamers RGB aesthetic is miniscule, so they're
| definitely going to do alright with sales of this.
| LegitShady wrote:
| They were for sale so it's not really about the showcase.
| This ain't for all synth heads this is for the teenage
| engineering enthusiast synthheads.
| Kirby64 wrote:
| It's Teenage Engineering. None of their stuff is cheap, and
| you're paying mainly for the aesthetic.
| acomjean wrote:
| except those pocket operators. Those are pretty affordable
| music thing. Its basically a circuit board, even the hanging
| part is part of the board.
|
| https://teenage.engineering/products/po
|
| They're lots of fun. (I have the rythmn and robot ones). Its
| weird you could do this on a cell phone now, but the separate
| device kinda works well.
|
| of course the optional case is about half the cost of the
| device.. but I never bought one and haven't had a problem..
| and runs on regular aaa batteries!
| MengerSponge wrote:
| I think you mean A E S T H E T I C
| organsnyder wrote:
| Don't you mean a e s t h e t i c?
| [deleted]
| Zanneth wrote:
| They make high quality stuff. I have an OP-1 synthesizer.
| It's not just good looking, it's an amazingly innovative and
| fun device.
| smoldesu wrote:
| I might be a little more forgiving to their cause if they
| didn't drastically increase the price after it became
| popular.
| Kirby64 wrote:
| Not saying OP-1 is a bad product, but it is VERY expensive,
| and one could argue that the aesthetic of the OP-1 is what
| makes it a good device.
|
| For something like a PC case, there's already a LOT of
| options in aesthetics, so asking for nearly $200 for a case
| (that, as pointed out, you have to assemble yourself!) is a
| bit much to swallow. $200 gets you basically the highest
| end case in ANY look that you want. Perhaps not this
| 'unique', but you have a plethora of options.
| neom wrote:
| They used to make high quality stuff. OPZ and OB4 have been
| a _huge_ let down in terms of build quality and sturdiness.
| breadzeppelin__ wrote:
| I'm not sure that is still the case. I have an OP-Z and
| lurking forums for that device reveals tons of posts about
| build / hardware issues. Luckily my secondhand unit only
| has SOME broken components but it's pretty widely known as
| an incredibly fragile device with many design flaws
| hbosch wrote:
| The OP-Z is made of plastic. The OP-1 is all aluminum.
| tadbit wrote:
| There's plenty of products made with plastic that holds
| up well, even in the most harsh environments.
|
| They decided to make the OP-Z out of plastic and it
| didn't hold up well. It's the fault of their poor design,
| or at least the type of plastic they decided to use, not
| the materials.
| thih9 wrote:
| I agree that their stuff is high quality concept-wise; at
| the same time their products are not very durable. E.g.
| OP-1 is prone to failures; knobs break, ports and keys stop
| working. In case someone likes high quality and durable
| products, I recommend doing careful research before buying
| from this brand.
| b0tzzzzzzman wrote:
| Wish it wasn't unbelievably expensive. I have wanted to get
| one for sometime now. Rather amazing little device.
| throw_m239339 wrote:
| It's Teenage Engineer!
|
| And behold their 600EUR radio:
|
| https://teenage.engineering/products/ob-4
|
| Yes, I said a radio.
|
| While the OP-1 is a unique musical instrument (sold a $700 10
| years ago, now $1200 new, god only knows why...), these
| designers will make you pay a premium for most of their
| products, aside from the low quality pocket operators.
| augustuspolius wrote:
| It looks like you at least heard of this product before and
| yet you completely misrepresent it for some reason. This is
| not just a radio, it's a music instrument of sorts: it
| continuously records what you hear on the radio and allows
| you to manipulate it in real time (rewind, loop, time
| stretch).
| wodenokoto wrote:
| It's a Bluetooth speaker.
|
| Compared to other high end design speakers such as B&O /
| BeoSound it's not particularly pricey, if at all.
| nathanvanfleet wrote:
| I agree with everything you are saying except that pocket
| operators are actually quite neat. But yeah, everything else
| is actually really pricey and actually has a lot of
| reliability problems. You see a lot of people paying that
| $1200 for the OP-1 and it just breaks and TE doesn't support
| their product either.
| pjs_ wrote:
| Is that a bootleg G-shock?
| lizhang wrote:
| I love the pocket operators :)
| neom wrote:
| I own one. It's amazing. Don't knock it till you try it! It's
| a $700 toy, not a radio. It works well in their ecosystem if
| you have other TE stuff, It's hours of enjoyment playing with
| it. It's well worth the money for the fun (I even used it to
| get off alcohol, every time I wanted to drink I was usually
| bored so I played with it every time I wanted to drink),
| unfortunately the build quality is awful.
| marcodiego wrote:
| Looks like something designed by Dieter Rams.
| TheOtherHobbes wrote:
| Looks like something designed by Dieter Rams around 1969.
|
| Which I guess is the point.
|
| Zero appeal for me, but I'm clearly not the target
| audience.
| BoorishBears wrote:
| On one hand mini ITX cases tend to come with a price premium if
| they're anything more than the most basic plastic case.
|
| But on the other, usually you get excellent sound absorption,
| clever mounting solutions etc. At first glance this is an
| objectively bad case by the usual measures of high-end mini ITX
| cases.
|
| This is another functional display piece for a designer's desk,
| just like the Playdate.
|
| It's overpriced, but in a similar way to how a clay brick with
| Supreme stamped on it goes for hundreds of dollars.
| antiterra wrote:
| What was your experience using the Playdate that informed you
| that it should be relegated to a designers desk?
| BoorishBears wrote:
| Teenage Engineering is literally selling _a dock with a pen
| holder_ for the thing.
|
| I feel like this is supposed to be a well-laid trap of a
| question, but c'mon... technically Amiibo are for unlocking
| in-game extras, what's my experience with those for them to
| end up relegated to a designer's desk?
| caconym_ wrote:
| It's not a "trap". If you say something like this:
|
| > This is another functional display piece for a
| designer's desk, just like the Playdate.
|
| Then you'd better have _something_ to back it up. And
| unless you 're one of the few people who've actually used
| a Playdate (who actually had largely positive impressions
| IIRC) then what basis in fact, or even in _subjective
| experience_ does your comment actually have?
|
| Seems to me the answer is _none._ And that 's worth
| calling out.
| Puts wrote:
| I think anyone complaining about the price is missing
| something. Anything produced in small quantities will be
| expensive and I wouldn't even assume they themselves thinks
| this product is gonna be profitable. I suspect a lot of the
| projects TE puts out is more about showcasing their design
| language to then be able to do collaborations with other brands
| like IKEA who can take a product to a broader market.
|
| In other words their products are like business cards sold to a
| niche category of people who like products that look like a
| collaboration between Dieter Rams and Simone Giertz.
| sschueller wrote:
| This isn't an injection molded part or something with
| electronic components. There aren't even any fans included.
|
| Laser/water jet cutting metal and powder coating it is so
| common that you can submit such an order online and have it
| in a day.
|
| What I am trying to say is that the cost because of small
| quantities does not apply here. This is just the cost of the
| brand.
| daniel_reetz wrote:
| Actually a laser or waterjet has to pierce all those arrays
| of holes and slots, which take time, which is what you
| charge for. Plus deburring and powdercoating. At only 1mm
| thick the pierces will go fast, but prices will not be
| cheap until you're punching out low thousands on a CNC
| turret punch. Source: I own and operate a waterjet and
| frequently design similar parts.
| azinman2 wrote:
| And the cost of the design, which you're pricing at $0.
|
| Personally I thought it was cool and if I were in the
| market to build a PC I'd consider it.
| bruce343434 wrote:
| I get what you're saying. But as a consumer, I don't care
| what the production costs. I care what the product itself
| costs and what I'm getting out of it vs what similar products
| cost and what I get out of those.
| caconym_ wrote:
| The people buying Mini-ITX cases for custom PC builds are
| typically hobbyists, and the value they derive from these
| cases (which are expensive across the board, it's a niche
| low-volume market) is not the same value you or I get from
| buying a (relatively) cheap ATX tower and throwing whatever
| parts into it. If you go looking for "similar products", I
| guarantee that you will find some very expensive cases
| indeed.
|
| Not every product is for every consumer. This case is
| already sold out, so apparently _somebody_ wants it.
| Hamuko wrote:
| My Phanteks Evolv Shift Air 2 mini-ITX case was about 120
| EUR (with one 140 mm fan) and I don't think it was that
| expensive. And it looks really nice + fits beefier
| components.
| caconym_ wrote:
| The Evolv Shift Air 2 is a cool case, but (as you say) it
| is on the large side for Mini-ITX cases and therefore
| likely has much more mass appeal, since the smaller a
| case is the more difficult (and rewarding for
| hobbyists/enthusiasts) it will be to spec out components
| that fit and have adequate cooling.
|
| Just comparing it to some other popular Mini-ITX cases,
| 23 liters for the Evolv Shift Air 2 is nearly twice the
| volume of the NZXT H1 (13 liters), and far in excess of
| the Dan 4 (7 liters) or the Velka 5 (5 liters).
| Especially the latter two cases are extremely challenging
| to build in, and at 8.5 liters the "computer-1" is
| arguably most comparable to that segment despite its GPU
| length limitations. It's not a put-whatever-you-want-in-
| it case, and that makes it a niche offering.
|
| I'm not going to argue that there's no TE tax attached
| here, especially since (unlike similar cases) it doesn't
| include a PCIe riser or other electronic components, but
| it's not way out of range for its market segment.
| ssully wrote:
| Exactly. The PC case market is actually really competitive
| these days. It seems like new high quality cases at a good
| cost are coming out on a monthly basis at this point.
| Teenage Engineering makes cool stuff and this case looks
| nice, but I don't think I would ever spend this kind of
| money on a case.
| spaniard89277 wrote:
| Well, maybe you as a consumer can value the effort this guy
| made and pay it. I mean, not every one of your consumer
| decisions has to be based on the lowest price possible.
| paulpan wrote:
| Also value-oriented builders probably wouldn't want to use
| the ITX form factor given they're always more expensive than
| mATX with a on-par feature set at best. ITX builders likely
| are not price conscious.
|
| mATX cases can also be quite small (e.g. Fractal Node Define
| 7) but you get 2 more RAM slots, can use ATX PSU, and can get
| bigger coolers so not have to resort to price AIO.
| one_off_comment wrote:
| I'm glad it's sold out. I was tempted to buy it even though I
| know I'd screw it up doing the bending and separating myself. I'm
| so bad at DIY. I know to buy extras and backups for everything
| because of how often I screw stuff up.
| qwertox wrote:
| At this price point... it's made for fans. Fans of Teenage
| Engineering.
| jalada wrote:
| Those handles make it a good LAN party case!
| capableweb wrote:
| They only missed the golden days of LAN parties by about 20-25
| years.
| ofou wrote:
| What model is the squared screen from the photo?
|
| It looks amazing!
| ahartmetz wrote:
| Yeah, it looks really nice indeed, which is unfortunately rare
| for PC cases. But no thanks, computing power and low noise are
| more important to me. Waiting for a nice looking and silent ATX
| case :>
| aseipp wrote:
| I ended up going with the NZXT H1 for my mITX case, and while
| it has had issues I had to fix, I'm finally happy with it I
| guess. My competitor was the the Fractal Design 7 Compact had I
| gone ATX, so if you're diehard about this I'd recommend it, and
| it's also still very small: https://www.fractal-
| design.com/products/cases/define/define-...
|
| That said performance and noise was a concern for me and I've
| overall ended up satisfied, you may be pleasantly surprised if
| you do your research. IMO the only actual thing that makes
| noise on any modern rig is the GPU (and I don't put spinning
| rust in anything except the server in the other room.)
| Everything else can be effectively silent even at the highest
| grade, and low-end GPUs can be tweaked to be nearly-silent as
| well if you aren't a gamer. Mine has 10TB of storage (2TB
| NVMe/8TB SSD), 64GB of RAM, a Zen 3 5600X, and a triple-blower
| RTX 3080, and I'm using it as my 4k gaming rig with a 144hz
| monitor rather successfully. I understand there are a lot of
| cases you might need even more oomph, though; I literally can't
| extract any more perf until Zen 4, I guess.
| ahartmetz wrote:
| I have a Ryzen 3950X in an Antec P180. The GPU is an
| undervolted AMD R9 280x with custom, larger, fans. The case
| is okay - I guess the Fractal Design looks a little nicer and
| is probably less of a behemoth, but it's not worth upgrading.
| I have a powerful near-silent computer already and it
| looks... okayish.
| walrus01 wrote:
| ummm, 195 bucks?
|
| I can buy a pretty nice mini-itx cube shaped case on newegg for
| 80.
| kingosticks wrote:
| Will the airflow "work" with all the gaps?
| pier25 wrote:
| That was my first thought.
|
| With all those gaps you'll need to push fans harder to get the
| same cooling and keep dust out.
| MisterBiggs wrote:
| I currently have a massive full tower PC that's water cooled and
| to be honest I hate it. Its great for gaming but otherwise I
| think I would much rather have a small mini-ITX pc like this that
| can be portable, and when I need to run demanding code I can just
| use a VPS.
| stingraycharles wrote:
| There are some great larger cases though. I'm a big fan of
| Lian-Li's cases, although they can be massive, its design is
| good.
| harel wrote:
| I'm actually on the lookout for a small case but for a different
| purpose - I want to build a NAS enclosure that will hold at least
| 4 full size 3.5" drives in the most compact form factor possible.
| I was hoping one of those might do the trick but they are not
| geared towards 3.5" HDD
| th0ma5 wrote:
| Would like to have the MDF version probably LOL
| wackget wrote:
| PS195 for 1mm sheet aluminium which you have to assemble (and
| bend) yourself?
|
| Fools and their money...
| mey wrote:
| Wait you have to bend it yourself?
| kemayo wrote:
| Yeah, scroll ~75% down their product page and you'll see the
| flat sheets they ship you. You have to bend it at the
| perforated-looking lines to assemble the case.
| B1FF_PSUVM wrote:
| Dug a bit for size info: _" outer dimensions (mm): W 170 D 190 H
| 322"_
|
| So a bit over 10 liters. About the size of some gaming computers
| MSI used to sell (Nightblade, I think), for around 1k fully
| loaded with RAM, HD+SSD, Intel CPU, and Nvidia graphics. Plus led
| light bars, etc.
|
| 200 for an industrial looking orange case seems a bit of a
| fashion statement.
| synack wrote:
| I wonder how they're manufacturing these. Fiber laser? Turret
| punch?
| tengbretson wrote:
| That solid top panel looks like it's almost fully obstructing
| airflow to a GPU cooler
| wwqrd wrote:
| Think the perferated panel is the top, and the rear intake is
| completely exposed.
| tengbretson wrote:
| Ahh my bad. The only photo that showed the top panel in place
| on mobile is angled such that it looked solid. The pics on
| desktop look even better.
| solarkraft wrote:
| I'm still looking for a case and this one is pretty cute.
|
| But of course I'm gonna complain about the price again. Even
| though this looks pretty innovative (I haven't seen an "assemble
| yourself" construction like this before) and this looks something
| potentially leading to a huge price reduction (I'm gonna guess
| production cost is somewhere around the 10-25EUR mark), it's
| still ... 200EUR??? Egh.
|
| I guess they're selling the brand.
|
| But that's also weird, because I would figure that people who
| care about the brand tend to not build their own computers (is
| this assumption wrong?), instead usually opting for the fruit
| brand.
| least wrote:
| > But that's also weird, because I would figure that people who
| care about the brand tend to not build their own computers (is
| this assumption wrong?), instead usually opting for the fruit
| brand.
|
| Mini-ITX computers are a niche among a niche market of PC
| builders. Form factor is inherently a consideration being made
| when you build one, given the added difficulty and compromises
| one must make to build one. In that sense, it's pretty obvious
| that people building such computers would care about the
| aesthetics of the case they're building in. This also isn't
| terribly expensive in the world of boutique mini itx cases,
| where one can easily spend double that on some of the more
| exclusive ones.
| crate_barre wrote:
| I need to know how airflow works for me to ever consider any
| case.
| sbierwagen wrote:
| The photos show it powder coated flat, then bent. I wonder how
| they kept the coat from flaking off at the bends?
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