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North and West Africa: Interpol report on human trafficking for
organ removal
Author : graderjs
Score : 76 points
Date : 2021-10-21 12:43 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| graderjs wrote:
| Actual PDF report in English:
| https://www.interpol.int/content/download/16690/file/2021%20...
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| and French:
| https://www.interpol.int/content/download/16690/file/2021%20...
| [deleted]
| pvaldes wrote:
| Very horrible stuff
| Clampower wrote:
| " Article 3 of the Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish
| Trafficking in Persons, Especially Women and Children (Palermo
| Protocol)"
|
| Why are some human lives more worthy of being protected than
| others ?
| ygjb wrote:
| Sibling comment already addressed this, but for the simple
| reason that when you are working to protect any asset or
| resource, including people, you invest where attackers are
| targeting those assets first.
|
| Most frequently focusing on improving the safety and security
| of the most vulnerable has a knock-on effect of dragging the
| level of safety up to a simple baseline.
|
| The frustrating thing about writing an answer like this is that
| it's necessary because based on your comment history you aren't
| asking that question in good faith, but others need to respond
| to it because leaving garbage comments like yours unaddressed
| is like leaving litter in the neighbourhood park. It's not my
| job or responsibility to take out the trash, but I like living
| in a clean neighbourhood.
| aaron695 wrote:
| > Sibling comment already addressed this
|
| Both your comments are lies.
|
| Men are 20% of human trafficking. The idea that's not a
| massive part of the asset is garbage.
|
| The reason men are left out is because the UN is a political
| tool used to promote careers over good policy. And from your
| two comments it works.
|
| The reason you would target women and children, is men are
| _generally_ labour which is _generally_ less harmful to the
| individual. (Ignoring the complexity of boys trafficked as
| soldiers)
|
| Of course for organ transplants that makes no sense. But
| that's back to the bureaucrats and the commentary on OP
| question. People are not good. They are in this to feel good
| about themselves. Hence white knight the women and children.
| ygjb wrote:
| _puts on sanitation engineer outfit_
|
| > Men are 20% of human trafficking. The idea that's not a
| massive part of the asset is garbage.
|
| Yes, that's what I said. 20% of human trafficking is the
| minority. Not irrelevant, and I never said that. I said
| that when you want to prevent attacks you start with the
| asset you want to protect that is most frequently attacked.
|
| > The reason men are left out is because the UN is a
| political tool used to promote careers over good policy.
| And from your two comments it works.
|
| Huh? My comments have nothing to do with the UN, my
| comments are based on the notion that I have worked for
| more than 20 years in various information security roles,
| including government, finance, open source companies,
| cutting edge technology firms. Before that I was a soldier.
| I am very open about who I am. What expertise do you have
| besides shitposting on social media sites?
|
| > The reason you would target women and children, is men
| are generally labour which is generally less harmful to the
| individual. (Ignoring the complexity of boys trafficked as
| soldiers)
|
| The reason I would _protect_ , not _target_ women and
| children as a priority is because they make up the largest
| community of vulnerable people. As I said in my original
| comment, raising the standards of protection and care for
| vulnerable populations has the effect of raising the bar
| for _every_ group of vulnerable people. Finally,
| trafficking in child soldiers is a different issue
| entirely, and is the reason that I make donations to
| organizations like https://dallaireinstitute.org/ What
| actual good work have you done in your life, by donation,
| or by actual work?
|
| > Of course for organ transplants that makes no sense. But
| that's back to the bureaucrats and the commentary on OP
| question. People are not good. They are in this to feel
| good about themselves. Hence white knight the women and
| children.
|
| No, you are not a good person, and you are projecting your
| awful perspectives and assumptions about people onto others
| actions. I have seen some shit people over my careers and
| generally they come in with attitudes like yours calling
| people liars and assuming that everyone who takes a
| positive position is virtue signalling or white knighting,
| or whatever language of the day is used to hide the fact
| that your cynical views of people are largely based on your
| own inadequacies.
|
| Be well, and stop stinking up the neighbourhood.
| gambiting wrote:
| Oh ffs, not this again. It's not that they are more worthy,
| it's that they are _on average_ more likely to be victims of
| those crimes. That 's what "especially" means in this context.
| tomtomftomtom wrote:
| Fauci funded COVID-19: https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/nih-
| admits-funding-gain-f...
| JoeAltmaier wrote:
| I'd want to hear from the sellers - did it change their life?
| Folks sell a portion of their life to lots of taskmasters. I'm on
| a floor right now at a 'workstation' like all the others spending
| 8 hours fighting bad tools and faulty hardware, wishing I was out
| of this maze and back at home.
| navbaker wrote:
| Selling your time to do software development with shoddy tools
| is in no way comparable to feeling so desperate that you see
| your only option in life is to sell a body part.
| whoknowswhat11 wrote:
| What is interesting is that some of the "preaching" do gooders
| here on HN and elsewhere - won't lift a finger to alleviate the
| underlying issues that cause this type of decision.
|
| In most of these articles about stopping something terrible -
| I'm always keeping my eye out for - what is the solution they
| are proposing to reduce the demand for X or Y.
| dougmwne wrote:
| This is wrapped up in a lot of bureaucratic language.
| Essentially, impoverished people are being convinced to sell a
| kidney in illegal organ sales to foreign recipients. Horrific,
| but also different than what I thought of when I read "Human
| Trafficking" and assumed it was murder/wake up in a bathtub of
| ice.
| Gipetto wrote:
| > Victims of human trafficking for sexual and labour purposes
| also find themselves at additional risk.
|
| No, its there...
| deelowe wrote:
| The term "Human Trafficking" has a fairly broad scope and
| ranges from coercion to outright slavery. I tried to find a
| breakdown of the various types of trafficking, but couldn't
| find details. I've recently become somewhat suspicious of the
| term as the more I poke at it, the less clear it becomes.
|
| It seems I'm not the only one:
| https://newrepublic.com/article/123302/human-trafficking-has...
|
| I'm certainly not trying to be a pendant here but I feel that
| people having their organs forefully removed and then sold on a
| black market or being bought and sold as sex slaves is a much
| larger concern than prostitution. Just as an example.
| dougmwne wrote:
| Yes, I always read it as a new speak word for "slavery", so
| it was weird to see it applied to selling a kidney for 10k
| dollars, which was explicitly called out in the report as
| happening frequently in Egypt. Things get slippery here. Is
| selling blood plasma human trafficking? Is paid surrogacy
| human trafficking? Is work human trafficking?
| deelowe wrote:
| My understanding is that the definitions are fuzzy and
| every country has their own methods for measurement and
| reporting back to Interpol. The prostitution case was not
| made up. Some countries count all prostitution cases
| (including voluntary).
| e12e wrote:
| >> ... I read "Human Trafficking" and assumed it was
| murder/wake up in a bathtub of ice.
|
| > The techniques used for the recruitment and control of the
| victims are the same as those used for other types of human
| trafficking, such as promises of job opportunities abroad, as
| well as the use of threats and violence.
|
| > Most often, victim-donors receive a smaller amount of the
| money than had been agreed with the recruiter or broker, and in
| some cases they may not get any of the promised payment. Many
| victim-donors have suffered post-operative complications and
| health issues.
|
| Sounds pretty bad...
| vezycash wrote:
| > "Human Trafficking" and assumed it was murder/wake up in a
| bathtub of ice
|
| I'm sure this is closer to the truth than you think.
|
| If the organs are shipped out, there's no need to butter up
| victims. They'll just butcher and ship out their organs.
|
| A little bit of googling on kidnapping, ritual killings, baby
| factories, human parts trading in West Africa will add some
| credence this theory.
| yardie wrote:
| Well, once you have what you need I doubt they're doing any
| post-op care. So if the victim dies an hour later or a few
| months later it's still murder.
| kfprt wrote:
| Did the Chinese run out of political prisoners?
|
| https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests...
| tpmx wrote:
| The report paints Egypt as the country where the actual
| transplantations happen.
|
| _For example, reports suggest that organ trafficking occurs in
| most hospitals where legal transplants are conducted in Egypt,
| but it is more common in private than in public centres_
|
| ...
|
| _The Transplantation of Human Organs and Tissues Act (2010)
| prohibits foreign patients to receive a transplant in Egypt,
| unless the donor and the recipient have been married for at least
| three years. Despite national regulations, Egypt has been
| reported as a destination for wealthy organ recipients from Saudi
| Arabia who travel to the country to allegedly buy an organ from
| impoverished Egyptians._
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