[HN Gopher] COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is l...
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COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lacking for
those harmed
Author : AndrewBissell
Score : 36 points
Date : 2021-10-20 20:40 UTC (2 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.reuters.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.reuters.com)
| Factorium wrote:
| https://investinganswers.com/articles/10-most-popular-stocks...
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| Top stock owned by members of congress -
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| Pfizer #6
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| Johnson and Johnson #7
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| Moderna stock up 387% YoY:
| https://investinganswers.com/articles/10-most-popular-stocks...
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| Bill Gates invested $55million into BioNTech in October 2019:
| https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-det...
|
| Why are people with COVID antibodies from successful recovery
| forced to get vaccines? Why are children when COVID presents no
| risk to them?
| luxuryballs wrote:
| my pet theory on the new push to vaccinate children is they
| didn't get as many adults as they expected and need to make up
| for the sales so now they are marketing to children/parents
| help_quanted wrote:
| Actually, delta is hospitalizing and killing children at a
| significantly increased rate relative to the initial virus.
|
| Congress is going to hold blue chip stocks..what specious
| argument are you're trying to make?
| user743 wrote:
| 2.2M+ adverse reactions in the WHO database. Of course Google,
| the corporate press, and "independent fact checkers" are saying
| it lacks context.
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| Most people I know, know at least a few people that had adverse
| reactions already; let alone ADE or long-term consequences.
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| http://www.vigiaccess.org/
| mullingitover wrote:
| > 2.2M+ adverse reactions in the WHO database.
|
| That's a big stretch.
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| Take everything on the site with a block of salt, given that
| _that 's exactly what they tell you to do_:
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| > The information on this website, therefore, does not reflect
| any confirmed link between a medicinal product and a side
| effect
|
| People have been abusing the validity of VigiAccess to make
| specious claims about adverse effects and it's already been
| debunked[1].
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| [1]
| https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/10/15/fac...
| phonypc wrote:
| The WHO essentially says it lacks context. Read the "Important
| points to consider" heading in your link.
|
| Namely "VigiAccess cannot be used to infer any confirmed link
| between a suspected side effect and any specific medicine."
| mullingitover wrote:
| It's pretty wild that prior to vaccination, smallpox prevention
| was done by inoculation with actual live smallpox. That story of
| Washington forcing his troops to be 'vaccinated' is wrong - he
| exposed them to _actual smallpox_. Something like 1% of people
| receiving inoculation would develop full-blown smallpox. No
| vaccine courts for those folks.
|
| There are going to be a lot of one in a million coincidences with
| this broad of a vaccination campaign - a lot of people who were
| going to develop blood clots for unrelated reasons are going to
| coincidentally get them after getting vaccinated. Same goes for
| myocarditis - vaccination can cause it in rare cases, but so can
| adenovirus, herpes, hepatitis, various bacteria, parasites, and
| fungi. There are going to be a lot of coincidences at this scale
| so it's important that they're carefully reviewed by the court so
| the covid vaccine isn't wrongly tarred, especially now when
| misinformation will make several laps around the world before the
| facts can get their pants on.
| AndrewBissell wrote:
| > _Something like 1% of people receiving inoculation would
| develop full-blown smallpox. No vaccine courts for those
| folks._
|
| They at least got the benefit of being inoculated against a
| virus which would have a 30% chance of killing them. This made
| it very likely for the inoculations to be positive risk
| tradeoff for all the troops who were ordered to get them. The
| same is not necessarily true for a healthy 19 year old without
| comorbidities who is forced to get a Covid vaccination to
| attend college.
|
| Another point of contrast is that smallpox inoculation was
| sterilizing and prevented the inoculated from being able to
| spread the disease.
| mullingitover wrote:
| > The same is not necessarily true for a healthy 19 year old
| without comorbidities who is forced to get a Covid
| vaccination to attend college.
|
| True, if you only narrowly focus on the immediate benefit to
| the individual there are head-spinning number of laws and
| rules that don't make sense in civilization.
| nuerow wrote:
| I apologize for going out on a tangent, but I jus have to draw
| some attention to this quote from the article:
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| > _McFadden, 44, said she was previously healthy and needed two
| emergency surgeries to remove massive clots in her lungs, heart
| and left leg. She spent nine days in the hospital, racking up
| $489,153 in medical bills, she said._
|
| Seriously, US of A. What the hell is this? How is this even
| possible?
| agency wrote:
| The invisible hand guiding our healthcare system has an
| unfortunate tendency to reach into your pocket and leave you
| bankrupt.
| treelovinhippie wrote:
| I've had the influenza vaccine every year with no side effects.
|
| 3 weeks of chest pains on the 1st Pfizer (+emergency visit) and 1
| week of chest pains on the 2nd Pfizer. ECG, x-ray and blood tests
| normal. Four different doctors: "we don't know what the side
| effect is, can't diagnose it, and we're seeing it quite often".
| Yeah that was concerning.
| Tarsul wrote:
| where is the recourse for those who suffer from covid due to
| negligence of others?
| user743 wrote:
| When I've been sick in the past I've often thought that it
| would be nice to have recourse against the people who infected
| me.
|
| This is life though. It's not practical, moral, or enforceable.
|
| The best thing one can do is put effort into the factors they
| can control--diet, exercise, avoiding unnecessary conflict to
| keep stress low, etc.
| vnchr wrote:
| It's their personal responsibility to get vaccinated if they
| want to avoid that outcome
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