[HN Gopher] 3k-Year-Old Golden Bowl Adorned with Sun Motif Found...
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3k-Year-Old Golden Bowl Adorned with Sun Motif Found in Austria
Author : diodorus
Score : 82 points
Date : 2021-10-18 05:39 UTC (1 days ago)
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| inostia wrote:
| Apparently this bowl is typical of a Bronze Age culture known as
| the "Urnfield culture". They made some amazing hats[0].
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urnfield_culture#/media/File:C...
| caublestone wrote:
| I guess in 3k years archeologists will discover black bricks and
| say "it appears to have an apple motif. These people seemed to
| worship some apple god."
| motohagiography wrote:
| A not un-funny observation. I used to suggest that after seeing
| what the equestrian world was like, that future archeologists
| would see how the wealthiest people of this era spent huge
| fortunes on temples and buildings for horses, when in fact they
| were just for horse shows - and this suggested that the ancient
| Egyptians probably didn't worship cats at all, but that cat
| shows were just a really big social thing back then. Someone
| from thousands of years in the future discovering the now
| ancient internet could interpret the same thing.
| neilk wrote:
| Every now and then you see anthropologists admitting that
| "ritual object" is just their way of saying they have no idea
| what it's for
|
| Some of the Moai of Rapa Nui (aka the giant stone heads on
| Easter Island) used to have eyes. The fragments of the whites
| of the eyes - almond-shaped white stones with a central hole
| - were misidentified as "ritual bowls" for decades.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moai#Eyes
| iamcurious wrote:
| Interestly, it was also associated with black turtles and a
| fear of buttons. Some scholars think that there were two
| different apple gods, both named Steve, while others insist
| that it was two aspects of the same deity.
|
| Records point that there was a war for the skies between the
| thunder god, Macromedia Flash,and the apple god, Steve. The
| thunder god was huge and lived in the cloud, so Steve gave its
| followers very small boxes and put the clouds on them. Little
| by little there were no more clouds big enough for the thunder
| god and he falled into oblivion.
| fvold wrote:
| Is it weird that I pictured the logo of Sun Microsystems?
| dcminter wrote:
| ...and OSF Motif!
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motif_(software)
| hestefisk wrote:
| Through the looking glass ....
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| if so, you're not the only one with that idea!
| slingnow wrote:
| If I'm running an excavator at a construction site and I dig up a
| relic like this, do I get to keep it? Do all items of a certain
| historical significance immediately get confiscated by a
| government body?
| stickydink wrote:
| It's going to depend on the country, and exactly what you dig
| up (bones is going to be different than gold coins). But in the
| US, dig up a gold bowl in your backyard? You'd do well to
| contact a museum or something, but it's yours.
| heikkilevanto wrote:
| At least here in Denmark (probably most of Europe), anything
| really old you dig up belongs to the state. They do pay some
| kind of compensation for the finder.
| rolleiflex wrote:
| Same in Turkey, and this applies to ancient (not modern)
| shipwrecks as well. While diving my cousin and uncle found an
| ancient shipwreck off the Aegean coast of Turkey that was
| recently revealed by moving silt, reported it to the state,
| and have gotten a fairly significant compensation out of it.
| Eventually their find ended up in the local antiquities
| museum.
|
| There are some things that are ancient but common so you can
| keep, like Roman or Byzantine coins, but even then, you
| should bring it under for review so they can either pay you
| the value of it and hold on to it, or give you back with
| confirmation saying it's not rare and OK to keep as a
| keepsake.
| arthurcolle wrote:
| That's hilarious the archaeologist's named is Michal Sip and he
| discovered a bowl
|
| What do you call it when people are named similarly to their
| profession?
| dwringer wrote:
| Perhaps the concept of nominative determinism[0], or (more
| generally) the saying from Latin, "nomen est omen"[1].
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_determinism[1]
| https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nomen_est_omen
| ABraidotti wrote:
| What's the opposite -- where someone has an unfortunate name
| for their industry? I know of a developer with the last name
| Null.
| joshuaissac wrote:
| Inaptronym:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptronym#Inaptronyms
| mdp2021 wrote:
| "Nominative determinism" is when there are reasons to suppose
| that the profession was inspired by the name. 'Aptronym' is a
| term for the expression "name checks".
| i1856511 wrote:
| The library investigator's name is actually Bookman?
| marton78 wrote:
| No idea, but my zoology professor was called Prof. Elepfandt.
| arthurcolle wrote:
| Andreas Elepfandt? That is amazing. What are his thoughts on
| elephants?
| mdp2021 wrote:
| 'Aptronym'. Edit: it should actually be 'aptonym', I do not
| know where that 'r' came from.
| gimmeThaBeet wrote:
| It's called nominative determinism
| arthurcolle wrote:
| Thanks this is what I was looking for
|
| My last name is Colle so maybe I should start a glue company
| chmod775 wrote:
| Looks like time wasn't too kind to it. I wonder what it would
| have looked like 3,000 years ago - how precise the original
| craftsmanship was.
| jacquesm wrote:
| Looking at it with the eye of someone who did a lot of metal
| working: the driving of the sheet was done expertly and given
| how old it is what amazes me is how well some of the detail
| stands out and how detailed it is. What an amazing object.
| ncmncm wrote:
| It must have been glorious.
| RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote:
| It's amazing how many stuff in the ancient world infringe on
| Larry Ellison's trademarks. First there was the Oracle at Delphi,
| and now this.
|
| I am sure whoever, owns this object will be hearing from Oracle
| lawyers pretty soon about the need to get a license for the Sun
| motif.
| sillyquiet wrote:
| Some cultural context, this bowl is probably associated with the
| Urnfield culture, a wide-spread cultural horizon that was
| probably associated with Indo-European language speakers
| (probably late proto-Indo-European or pre-proto-Celtic).
|
| The sun motif is naturally widespread among many unrelated
| cultures, but in this case is probably associated with a dawn or
| sun deity (*seh2u-el, cognate with Sol, Helios, etc). Sometimes
| female, sometimes male depending on the culture and period, but
| in this period, probably female.
| cabalamat wrote:
| A similar culture (i.e. late PIE), with similar mythology,
| created the Trundholm sun chariot --
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trundholm_sun_chariot.
| mrweasel wrote:
| I half expected it to be Sun Microsystems and the Motif GUI based
| on the funky capitalization.
| ncmncm wrote:
| So this culture spread across central and northern Europe at
| _just about_ the same time as every city on the Mediterranean was
| being sacked, producing a 300-year dark age (Egypt and
| mesopotamia excepted). It seems to matter whether they were all
| sacked first, or after.
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