[HN Gopher] Physicists make most precise measurement ever of neu...
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Physicists make most precise measurement ever of neutron's lifetime
Author : mkoc
Score : 24 points
Date : 2021-10-18 21:17 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| thriftwy wrote:
| Stupid question, do they account for speed dilation on the beam
| experiment? The difference in lifetime will translate to 50k km/s
| speed of neutrons or roughly 1/6c
| perihelions wrote:
| From skimming the review paper from OP (the "source:" in the
| caption on that error-bar chart), the neutrons in the beam
| experiments are thermalized, to a mean velocity of ~2,200 m/s.
| So, slower than 1e-5 c.
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| https://doi.org/10.3390/atoms6040070
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| (Thermal meaning the neutrons scatter lots of times against
| atoms in a solid material, until they reach thermal
| equilibrium. ~km/s is a typical Boltzmann velocity for atom-
| size things at room temperature).
|
| (Not a domain expert).
| davidhyde wrote:
| > Neutrons in beams seem to live longer on average
|
| Isn't this due to relativistic effects? What percentage of the
| speed of light are these beams?
| fsh wrote:
| Neutron lifetime experiments are done with cold beams (tens of
| K). Time dilation is completely negligible.
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| liquidise wrote:
| > [isolated neutrons] decay into protons. During the process,
| each decaying neutron emits an electron and an antineutrino.
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| > ...detected sparks of light each time a neutron decayed.
|
| Detecting a spark of light would also require photon(s) to be
| emitted, right? Is this not called out because it is a byproduct
| of the decay and not part of the decay reaction itself?
| sharikous wrote:
| No, they don't measure decays.
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| They let the neutrons decay for a while and then measure all
| the remaining neutrons in the trap by lowering there a
| detector.
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| This detector has a scintillator so when a neutron is captured
| it emits some photons and those are converted to an electric
| signal.
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| So no. There is no requirement for the neutron to emit an
| additional photon during the decay that is measured
| LatteLazy wrote:
| Yes, the decay will also release some energy in the form of
| photons but they didn't mention it.
| sharikous wrote:
| That's inaccurate, please see my reply to the same comment
| a1369209993 wrote:
| Neutron decay does not produce photons. Rather, the energy
| difference is carried as kinetic energy by the resulting
| proton, electron and (anti)neutrino. This _can_ cause light
| to be emitted (very shortly) _later_ when those particles
| slam into things, but as sharikous notes that doesn 't seem
| to be they're talking about here.
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