[HN Gopher] Windows 11: Microsoft's pointless update
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Windows 11: Microsoft's pointless update
Author : behnamoh
Score : 41 points
Date : 2021-10-18 17:37 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| dxxvi wrote:
| I'm dreaming of a day my workplace giving me a Windows 11 machine
| that I can install WSLg on. Maybe 5-6 years from now.
| 420official wrote:
| Curious why not? Won't WSLg be included with wsl2 on windows
| 11?
| G3rn0ti wrote:
| I am not a Windows fan either but I kept my pitchfork in the
| garage after I watched a fair review of Windows 11, recently, and
| it argued MS seriously tried to streamline its messy UI,
| especially with respect to system configuration:
| https://youtu.be/_G4aql8_shw
|
| Not sure why they couldn't do this clean up using incremental
| updates of Windows 10 but maybe the underlying changes were
| actually too drastic and therefore too risky to ship in a rolling
| release.
| nodejs_rulez_1 wrote:
| My CPU has a special feature where I will not be bugged with
| prompts to update to Windows 11.
| pjmlp wrote:
| But those corners, look how nicely round they are!
|
| Even for Windows developers it hardly has anything worthwhile,
| note that most of the new stuff is UWP with WinUI 2.6 and not
| WinUI 3.0, as they still have a pile of bugs and missing features
| to take care of.
|
| I bet some higher ups decided it was time to release Windows 11
| no matter what, specially after Windows 10X being dropped.
| nix23 wrote:
| It would have been a really good idea to integrate ReFS
| (optional) in all Windows-editions.
|
| However, the Windows11 presentation touched my heart, Microsoft
| is for me now a lifestyle brand and not just a software
| producer anymore...it really touched me.
| heybrendan wrote:
| https://archive.ph/dwquU
| Hokusai wrote:
| I upgraded to Windows 11 beta. I get green Blue Screens of Death.
| The right click button (contextual menu) does not cover all
| previous functionality so it has a 'show old menu' option to
| bring back what is lacking. Edge and Teams are installed by
| default. It feels like an UI refresh and not much more.
| peakaboo wrote:
| It's only a matter of time before we find out how much extra
| user spying they added in Windows 11, in exchange for having
| icons in the middle of the taskbar.
|
| Seriously, switch to Pop OS now. Windows is not going to get
| better, only worse.
| kloch wrote:
| Will Pop OS run Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020? That's
| literally the only thing I use Windows for.
| peakaboo wrote:
| Yes. Linux run most games now. In practice there are a few
| small bugs here and there so Windows is still prefered for
| some games but I can play 90% of them on Linux with no
| issues at all.
| squarefoot wrote:
| It runs fine on Arch Linux, so it shouldn't have problems
| with Pop OS or other distros.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgPjOh_zPx0
|
| Check also:
|
| https://www.gamingonlinux.com/
|
| https://appdb.winehq.org/
| circularfoyers wrote:
| https://www.protondb.com/app/1250410 is the best source
| to find out how any given Steam game will run on Linux.
| heavyset_go wrote:
| You can also use Proton to run Windows games and apps
| outside of Steam.
| hrrsn wrote:
| The new contextual menu is great in places like the desktop,
| where after choosing 'show more options' you get... the exact
| same options, in the old style.
|
| I was semi interested in a native Teams (wishful thinking that
| it may be a little less resource intensive) until I found out
| it's the 'personal' version only.
| m0zg wrote:
| Not just pointless: dumb. It doesn't support Skylake or first-gen
| Threadripper, which happen to power almost all of my machines but
| one, which uses third-gen Threadripper and will never see
| anything other than Linux.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| >Some otherwise-fast processors can't run it. And without Trusted
| Platform Module (TPM) 2.0, you're going nowhere. Out of the half-
| dozen Windows 10 systems I or my partner owned in 2020, not one
| could run Windows 11.
|
| The 8th gen processor requirements are really craziness. what
| kind of mainstream operating system is supposed to not run on
| four year old hardware?
| cogman10 wrote:
| Android
| ocdtrekkie wrote:
| The reason why is obvious, it just isn't for the consumer:
| Microsoft needs to significantly raise the support requirements
| going forward, without telling a bunch of people their now
| "current" computer is being dropped based on how old it's
| processor is. Windows 11 exists to offer a final support coda for
| a lot of old PCs that Microsoft doesn't want to maintain support
| for.
|
| Also, banner features like Android app support aren't part of
| launch, so there's only minimal change currently.
| wutbrodo wrote:
| > If you're using Windows 11 Home, you must have both an Internet
| connection and a Microsoft account to run Windows 11 at all. No,
| Internet, no Microsoft account, no Windows 11. You can't set up a
| local user account or use your PC at all.
|
| I feel like this is really burying the lede. This is another one
| of those gaps that truly makes me wonder how anybody thinks that
| Microsoft considers Windows anything but a toy OS, not suitable
| for doing any tasks that the user considers remotely important to
| them. (Another example is one I've brought up here before, where
| Windows 7 would restart your computer without your consent, in
| the middle of whatever you were doing, if you went long enough
| without updating).
| electroly wrote:
| The article goes a little too far -- the quoted statement isn't
| true. You can create a local account after the OOB experience
| finishes. You only need a Microsoft account during the setup
| process. It's still dumb but the author isn't telling the whole
| truth here.
| throwaway946513 wrote:
| While this is true, the user shouldn't be forced to setup
| near-required internet connection for the device to get it
| running. Seeing the dark patterns with Windows 10 has already
| motivated me elsewhere to switch to a Linux desktop at home.
| Silhouette wrote:
| You could always disable that sort of nonsense completely with
| Windows 7. That's (one reason) why Windows 7 was qualitatively
| better than the modern junk. Some of us actually do run multi-
| day jobs from time to time, and not having 100% control of your
| own computer in that environment is simply not an option.
| MrYellowP wrote:
| Pointless? They _had_ to bring out a new version due to the TPM
| 2.0 requirement. They could not possibly put that into Windows
| 10, because millions of devices don 't have TPM 2.0.
|
| The rest is just everything around this one thing that requires a
| version upgrade compared to just adding it to Windows 10.
| tacker2000 wrote:
| Mandatory microsoft account and online connection needed to
| install the OS? No thanks!
| alphakilo wrote:
| Noted that it's only required for W11 Home, not Pro or
| Enterprise
| throwaway946513 wrote:
| Shouldn't be required for Home users especially.
| NoPicklez wrote:
| Well technically, it makes more sense for it to not be in
| Enterprise especially.
| glandium wrote:
| And it was already the case with Windows 10 Home.
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