[HN Gopher] The next generation of AirPods
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The next generation of AirPods
Author : mr_o47
Score : 136 points
Date : 2021-10-18 17:20 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| themadturk wrote:
| I have AirPod Pros, and like them a lot because the tips I've
| chosen fit just fine and the ANC is great. I also like regular
| Apple earbuds (and those that copy their design) because they are
| super-comfortable, though they don't cancel any sound.
|
| I don't have a need for these, as the spatial sound isn't
| anything I need and I have a half dozen standard Apple or Apple-
| inspired earbuds that work just fine.
| layer8 wrote:
| I wonder what exactly the restrictions will be when you don't
| want to upgrade to i(Pad)OS 15. I guess I'll find out next week.
| blunte wrote:
| I've worn Shure ~280$ in ear wires earphones for years, and with
| the right temperature sensitive foam inserts they passively block
| more sound than my AirPods Pro do. And they provide better sound
| quality.
|
| Maybe these new AirPods have better sound and battery, but from a
| minimalist perspective they are still unnecessary. If you talk on
| the phone a lot, maybe I see the value. But the wired Apple
| headphones work fine for that, and they don't randomly stop
| working while you're on a call.
| sergiotapia wrote:
| How do these compare with the Jabra 85t's? I'm in the market for
| new audio. I will use them for jogging, lifting and general calls
| while walking around.
| criddell wrote:
| Apple has a pretty generous return policy. Get them and return
| them if you don't like them.
| theshrike79 wrote:
| The AirPod killer feature is integration across all Apple
| devices.
|
| If you have exact needs for audio quality, you can always find
| better ones.
|
| But if you want to get off your MacBook, walk over to your
| Apple TV and get your headphones connected to it with one click
| on the remote, then AirPods are your thing.
| josephg wrote:
| Yep, but it's super janky. I can't count the number of times
| I've put my AirPods on for a zoom call only to have my phone
| and my laptop fight about which device is connected.
| Sometimes I've ended up turning Bluetooth off on my phone and
| manually associating them with my laptop just to get them to
| work.
|
| It's a great feature, but I really wish they took the time to
| make it reliable.
| handrous wrote:
| I have Jabra bluetooth headphones (full-size, not earbuds)
| and have taken to turning off Bluetooth on my MacBook to
| get them to work on my Windows machine, which will connect
| but not play any audio through them otherwise. Some device
| pairs work fine, some work fine until the other device
| plays a sound and then can't recover, others (my Windows
| gaming box) just don't work if something else is connected
| at all.
| minimaxir wrote:
| The TL;DR on these is "AirPods Pro without ANC", but comparing
| the two models there are more slight differences such as skin
| detection and longer battery life.
|
| Given that, the $180 price point is odd because the Pros
| occasionally drop to that level on sale.
|
| The new AirPods (and now the old Pros) now have a "MagSafe
| Wireless Case" which is compatible with the MagSafe charger
| supposedly, although there isn't more info on that/if it's just
| Qi charging with no magnets.
| dbbk wrote:
| I wonder what the skin detection is for?
| minimaxir wrote:
| The current AirPods use optical detection to detect when it's
| put into an ear: presumably skin detection is better.
| MBCook wrote:
| The gen 2 AirPods had a Qi compatible case, I would imagine
| they wouldn't remove that feature.
| Closi wrote:
| MagSafe wireless just means there is a ring of magnets around
| the Qi charging plate to make it easier and more reliable to
| align your device on the charger.
| rabidonrails wrote:
| Why isn't there a way to mute? I'd love to be able to configure
| one of the buttons to mute me when clicked. Fingers crossed for
| the next gen I guess.
| azinman2 wrote:
| You can just take them out or pause your music?
| steve_adams_86 wrote:
| I think they meant mute their mic. I could be wrong.
|
| It would be cool if you could mute yourself while on calls -
| it would be possible within the apple ecosystem at least.
| Pause during media, mute during calls. Something. Or maybe if
| it could be customizable, I'd like that. Different actions
| for different modes.
| baybal2 wrote:
| I wonder, how do they implement the head tracking? Radars? MEMS
| Gyroscopes?
| pzo wrote:
| Airpods pro have 3axis accelerometer and 3axis gyroscope in
| each receiver
| theshrike79 wrote:
| Magic!
|
| Also custom radio chips in both headphones that are able to
| measure latency to the source. Maybe some motion detection.
| matsemann wrote:
| What is spatial audio? That the sound sounds like it has an
| origin?
|
| If so, why is it useful/wanted?
| wsinks wrote:
| Imagine having a surround sound system.
|
| Now put on your headphones and you still have that surround
| sound system.
|
| That's why it's useful / wanted. Video gamers use spatial audio
| to know where that person shooting at them is.
|
| Audio listeners like the illusory effects of panning around
| their head.
|
| ASMR listeners like how it can sound exactly like someone is
| scratching their head because the sound has origin.
|
| Movie producers like it because they can fit more audio into a
| single scene because the brain can process more spatial audio
| than regular stereo audio.
|
| That said, stereo audio is still pretty good. Some audio is
| still just mono. Copied audio is usually mono.
|
| Spatial audio is one way for producers to set their creations
| off from cheap copies, almost as a non-intrusive form of DRM.
|
| These are my opinions, and happy to chat more about it. Audio
| is tight.
| falcolas wrote:
| > Now put on your headphones and you still have that surround
| sound system.
|
| If your ears match the modeled ears within a certain degree
| of "normal". Otherwise, you get a confusing sounding mess.
|
| It's unfortunate, but it's (yet) another 80/20 problem.
| vwadhwani wrote:
| I just want a pair of airpods that allow me to have a
| conversation outdoors. I'm always getting feedback that the
| ambient noise makes it difficult for people to hear me talk. I
| can't even do the dishes while on a call without people
| complaining.
| MrJagil wrote:
| Try to pair them again! My girlfriend said the same thing, as
| if my voice was attenuated instead of the other way around. All
| it took was re-pairing them.
| Meleagris wrote:
| I wish I could upvote this 10x. I don't know what Apple does
| with their processing, but the quality of the Airpods
| microphone is very poor (the worst I've ever heard). Especially
| outside, but even indoors.
|
| I'm commenting to see if that's everyone's experience, or if
| we're outliers.
| 1123581321 wrote:
| I think many people have that issue. Voice isolation mode, new
| to iOS 15, helps.
| hackstack wrote:
| I believe iOS 15 includes a little-touted feature: "Voice
| Isolation" mode; I haven't tested it comprehensively, but other
| similar technology (e.g. RNNoise [1]) has very impressive
| results in the scenarios you allude to.
|
| [1] https://jmvalin.ca/demo/rnnoise/
| VikingIV wrote:
| I've had better luck with the Jabra Elite wireless earbuds.
| Less complaints of background noise or muffled voices than the
| AirPods I tried using for a very brief period.
| javajosh wrote:
| By chance I bought a Sennheiser headset for Zoom calls, and the
| real killer feature is a high quality mic with firmware noise
| cancellation. At the time I was in a hurry and bought the most
| expensive Senn's I could find on Amazon, and lucked out. I've
| had two people at work ask me what I use.
| https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J8ME6QA
| rlpb wrote:
| I think the key difference is the microphone boom. If a
| microphone is close to your mouth, then most of the ambient
| noise cancellation is done.
| kfprt wrote:
| >Apple and the Environment
|
| Hilarious section for an expensive product that has a non
| removable battery and is going to end up in a landfill after a
| year or two of use.
| acdha wrote:
| A year or two seems implausibly low but I would also compare
| this with the competition. For example, I have some great AKG
| headphones (over-ear, wired) which cost more even before
| adjusting for inflation -- the audio quality is absolutely
| stellar but all of the plastic started falling apart after a
| couple of years. I've replaced the covers over the ears but now
| the non-replaceable cable shroud and padding on the crossbar
| are disintegrating, too.
|
| They probably weigh 10 times more than a pair of AirPods so I'm
| not sure what the total landfill impact ends up like. I am 100%
| certain that we will need to have regulation requiring
| manufacturers to recycle dead products if we want to move the
| needle at all. I'd also be utterly shocked if AirPods were even
| 0.1% of the total landfill volume generated by the average
| buyer over that period -- higher for certain trace metals but
| still, this seems like a newer spin on "I don't even own a TV".
| kfprt wrote:
| Volume seems like the wrong metric when airpods are full of
| batteries and electronics which are very resource and energy
| intensive. Energy production cost would be better. With the
| AKG headphones you could repair them if you felt like it.
| Apple doesn't let you choose. A good pair of headphones could
| last decades while the glued in battery in the airpods gives
| it a definite lifespan.
| thrashh wrote:
| That isn't the only competition though. I have a lot of
| headphones and my favorite pair hasn't fallen apart in 10
| years.
| acdha wrote:
| Sure, my previous ones lasted a long time, too. My point
| was simply that there's a weird trend to talk about this as
| an Apple thing rather than the global trend across most
| industries it actually is.
| summm wrote:
| Well, because apple either started those practices or at
| least was the main responsible to popularize it.
| acdha wrote:
| That's a pretty big claim to just toss out without any
| supporting evidence. I have plenty of discarded
| electronics going back to the 90s saying this trend
| wasn't started by Apple and since my Apple devices have
| tended to last longer than average I'd really want to see
| the details of your analysis.
| m_ke wrote:
| Yeah my airpods died after like a year and a half of use. When
| my brand new M1 macbook air died after a month of use I took it
| to the apple store and the "genius" next to me told someone
| with dead airpods that it's normal and that they have to buy a
| replacement pod.
| zxcvgm wrote:
| Seems like PodSwap have figured out how to replace the
| batteries without butchering them. (I'm not affiliated nor
| used them.)
|
| https://www.thepodswap.com/
| kfprt wrote:
| Taking what used to be free (replacing batteries in your
| remote/phone/device) and turning it into a service. Now
| that's innovation!
| skinnymuch wrote:
| Yeah I got AppleCare for AirPods because I was told they just
| replace it completely vs only replacing the battery. And I've
| heard the battery will not keep up high capacity if you use
| it daily a lot as I do
| kfprt wrote:
| Landfill as a Service^TM. Apple is truly a very dirty
| company.
| babypuncher wrote:
| I appreciate the concern, but the waste generated by a pair of
| AirPods for 1-2 years of use seems like nothing compared to all
| the plastic bottles the average American goes through in a
| week.
| kfprt wrote:
| Size can be deceiving when you don't factor in the materials
| used. Electronics are full of silicon and rare earths which
| have a far greater impact than even a bunch of bottles.
| a-r-t wrote:
| You can bring them back to an Apple Store or ship them back to
| Apple for recycling [1]. I dropped off a few old devices and
| batteries at my local Apple Store - it's very easy, especially
| now that they often have an employee standing outside of the
| store, just hand it to them and go about your day.
|
| [1] https://9to5mac.com/2019/05/30/how-to-sell-recycle-airpods/
| kfprt wrote:
| Do they recycle or send to a landfill? Does recycling mean
| sending it to a 3rd world country where it's smelted down in
| backyard shops giving everyone in the area cancer? Of the 3
| R's recycle comes last. If we could upgrade and repair our
| devices it would go a long way to cutting down on ewaste.
| criddell wrote:
| They recycle:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bu-gl7v-P8
| kfprt wrote:
| That was 'a stunt' which 'makes no economic sense'
|
| https://www.ifixit.com/News/15794/apple-daisy-cobalt-
| recycli...
| criddell wrote:
| I like the iFixit people, but that article is pretty bad.
|
| One of the reasons this list as a failure is this:
|
| > People aren't giving Apple back their phones, because
| old iPhones are worth dramatically more on the used
| market than the material cost
|
| Would they really rather see people recycling rather than
| reusing?
|
| Also, why would it have to make economic sense? Sometimes
| companies do things because it's the right thing to do.
| summm wrote:
| If a company does something that is right, but loses
| money, shareholders will sue it.
| kfprt wrote:
| Generally companies have a fiduciary obligation.
|
| I don't understand your critique.
|
| Yes reuse is better than recycling, so what's the point
| of Apple's recycling program if someone will buy to
| reuse. Any phone given to Apple to recycle is one that
| could have been reused. Furthermore what's the point of
| building a robot to recycle new iPhones that still have
| value instead of old ones. It also sounds underutilized
| if so few phone make it back. Notice how Apple doesn't
| break it down by model for what phones they receive back.
| I'd wager that most of the phones Apple gets back are the
| new ones from trade in. Apple is also very aggressive
| about making sure their products end up in landfills.
| https://www.theverge.com/apple/2020/10/4/21499422/apple-
| sues...
| nojito wrote:
| How much waste is in an AirPod compared to literally anything
| else plastic?
| etempleton wrote:
| I wonder how these will fit my ears.
|
| The current design fits my ears perfectly whereas the pros or any
| other soft-tip earbuds work there way out of my ears.
| e40 wrote:
| This is the $64,000 question. I would love to get the longer
| battery life, but the pros don't fit me and these look more
| pro-like.
| filoleg wrote:
| Similar boat. I know it is a 50/50 love/hate in terms of fit
| (understandably so, because not everyone has the same ear
| shape), but I personally loved original Airpods in terms of
| fit. They fit my ears perfectly, I could jump/run/etc., and
| they wouldn't move even a tiny bit.
|
| But with Airpod Pros, no matter which eartips I used, they
| would always not feel 100% correctly, and would move by a
| tiny tiny amount if I was actively moving, and over time I
| would need to readjust them in the ear once in a while.
|
| The new ones they've shown today look more like Airpods Pro,
| but with a fit closer to the original Airpods, which I would
| (admittedly selfishly) be really happy with.
| josephg wrote:
| As another data point, something about the original AirPods
| made my ears hurt. It was like sitting on a concrete bench
| - ok at first but before long they felt physically painful.
| I had to use them one ear at a time so the other ear could
| recover. Swapping to airpod pros fixed that for me - the
| silicon tips are way more comfy for my ear shape.
| ElijahLynn wrote:
| Just one day before the new Pixel 6 launch...
| babypuncher wrote:
| I can't get behind any $180 pair of earbuds that doesn't have
| some kind of form-fitting ear tips (silicone or otherwise).
|
| The AirPods Pro are a great product, but this update to the base
| model is really disappointing.
| theshrike79 wrote:
| I've tried every single form-fitting ear tip type, model and
| brand barring custom-molded ones. I've tried cheap ones, I've
| tried expensive ones ($300-ish).
|
| Every. Single. One. falls right out of my ears if I do anything
| else than sit quietly without moving my head.
|
| Regular wireless AirPods? They stay in no matter what I do.
| Sweating like Jordan Peele in the meme? They stay in. Running?
| Stay in.
| thih9 wrote:
| Preferences vary; I don't like form fitting ear tips, I prefer
| old school earbuds, like air pods or ear pods.
|
| I didn't want to miss out on spatial audio, so I'm excited by
| this update.
| criddell wrote:
| Since these are rated for IPX4, does that mean you can clean them
| by washing with something that will dissolve ear wax? Could you
| clean them in your dishwasher?
|
| I have some of the original AirPods and I've never felt like I
| can get them thoroughly clean.
| Closi wrote:
| No, it means it can handle a small splash of water not a
| dishwasher cycle.
| whatever1 wrote:
| Just don't use them for your zoom calls. Use the company issued
| headset. Your colleagues will thank you.
|
| AirPods microphones are atrocious.
| philliphaydon wrote:
| I just discovered last week that on the Apple TV I can connect 2
| apple audio devices at the same time.
|
| Currently staying with the in laws, daughter is sleeping in the
| same room with us so we couldn't watch TV.
|
| I connected my wife's AirPods to the Apple TV to watch tv and
| noticed I could connect another one, so I borrowed my sister in
| laws AirPods and connected them and both work at the same time.
| So now we can watch TV together when daughter is asleep.
|
| It only works with apple audio devices, so looks like I'll pick
| up some new AirPods for myself!
|
| Edit: contacted > connected
| notesinthefield wrote:
| I've been doing this with an Nvidia Shield 4k tv for so long I
| cant watch tv without headphones.
| reportingsjr wrote:
| For people who are interested in this and don't have/want to
| buy apple stuff: the Chromecast 4k allows this with any
| bluetooth audio device. It definitely is a super handy feature!
| Andrex wrote:
| Chromecast Bluetooth was prohibitively laggy in my
| experience.
| atatatat wrote:
| Any experienced to the contrary, I wonder?
| lilyball wrote:
| I haven't tried doing this with Apple TV, but iPhones also let
| you share your audio with a second pair of AirPods.
| handrous wrote:
| Playstation 4 (maybe also the 5? I can't get ahold of one, so I
| dunno) controllers have a headphone jack on them that can be
| used this way, I think. Route the audio through the (bluetooth)
| controller, to whatever you've plugged in to it.
|
| I think some higher-end Rokus can route audio through their
| remote control, to plugged-in headphones.
| joe5150 wrote:
| All Roku devices (and Roku TVs) should be able to route audio
| through the app to attached or wireless headphones as well.
| This might work with Share Audio on iPhones so you can have
| two people listening at once, but I've never tried.
| handrous wrote:
| Oh yeah, I forgot about routing Roku audio through phones.
| I've seen that on the remote app.
| poulsbohemian wrote:
| I'm not intending to be flippant here - I love my AirPods and
| other Apple gear - but this reads like they took the AirPod Pros
| and rebranded them as the next generation of AirPod. I'm not
| seeing what's actually _new_ here. Can someone in the know throw
| me a bone if there 's something I'm overlooking?
| jachee wrote:
| I think for non-marketing technical folks, these are best
| described thus:
|
| "Here are the AirPods Pro internals translated to the regular
| AirPods form factor, without the noise-cancelling and modular-
| tips, for $50 less."
| MBCook wrote:
| And Find My built in in case you lose them.
| Traubenfuchs wrote:
| Do they have active noise cancelling?
|
| Also, 6 hours listening is a bad joke, that's not even a standard
| workday. With battery aging that's soon not even half a workday
| anymore.
| Phenomenit wrote:
| The pros have noise canceling. 6h non stop in your ears is to
| much if you ask me, take out em when your eating lunch and
| they'll be full again when you're done.
| ssully wrote:
| Or if you are in the office, they are in their case during
| meetings or when someone is talking to you at your desk.
| That's at least what I did when I was still in the office,
| and I used first gen Airpods which had worse battery life.
| Phenomenit wrote:
| Yeah, I'm on my second year with my first gen and they're
| still great.
| superdude12 wrote:
| They charge super fast. You can get 1 hour of playback from 5
| minutes of charging. You can also charge one at a time if you
| really need them continuously.
| elif wrote:
| Ah now we're thinking with portals.. perhaps they can sell a
| set of 3 for this exact use?
|
| If you're playing games or something that takes heavy focus,
| you want to stay ahead of charging, not wait for something to
| die l.
| vadfa wrote:
| They are not built for your use case, that is all.
|
| I have a pair of airpods pro I use during commuting every
| day and they are one of my favourite gadgets.
| filoleg wrote:
| Gaming with BT headsets is a poor idea for so many reasons
| in general, so I have no idea why it was even considered.
|
| If you are having prolonged gaming sessions, you are doing
| it at home, so use wired. If you are on the go and want to
| listen to music or watch videos, use wireless. If you want
| to have a short gaming session on your laptop in public,
| then yeah, sure, airpods will serve it just fine. Though in
| those 6 hours, you might want to take a 15min break or two.
| And in those 15 mins, it will charge for about an hour of
| battery charge on airpods.
|
| It's like complaining that a Lambo is not good for carrying
| lots of cargo. Technically the truth, but that's not the
| use case at all.
| evan_ wrote:
| when you get the 10% warning you pop the left ear out and
| charge it until the right ear dies. Then you put the left
| ear in and charge the right ear. 20 minutes later you put
| them both in again. Easy peasy.
| dbbk wrote:
| It is entirely unnecessary to keep headphones on for 6 hours
| straight.
| jjallen wrote:
| Yeah, in three years with the Pros now (or whatever it is --
| 2-3), I have basically never run out of batteries. You can
| always put one in the charger to charge while the other stays
| out.
| josephg wrote:
| Yeah I've had my pros for about 2 years now and I've clocked
| an obscene number of minutes of phone & zoom calls on them
| through the pandemic. Some days I was doing 12+ hours of
| calls on them.
|
| The batteries last a bit over 3 hours and after all this time
| they're still going strong. Except for handoff being janky,
| I'm delighted with them.
|
| Im frankly confused with this announcement - it seems like
| they just rebranded AirPod pros as non-pro and called it a
| new device?
| playpause wrote:
| "a bad joke" is a silly overstatement - evidently you're in a
| very small minority there, or people wouldn't keep buying
| Airpods.
| sahaskatta wrote:
| It doesn't look like these Airpods have noise cancelling. The
| compedition like the Samsung Buds2 have about 7.5 hours on a
| single charge with noise cancelling turned off and 5 hours when
| turned on.
| steve_adams_86 wrote:
| Mine have this rating approximately (AirPods Pros from ~1.5
| years ago) and I worried about battery life.
|
| It turns out a few minutes in the case will give you a lot of
| listening time. Have an in-person meeting? Any reason to put
| the AirPods away? Throw them in the case and they'll charge a
| significant amount in 15 or 30 minutes.
|
| My problem ended up being defects which Apple said they would
| replace the AirPods for, but I need to take them to a certified
| Apple repair shop. When I did, the shop decided the defect
| wasn't present. So... I just live with it now.
| taurath wrote:
| No ear caps is instant no buy for me - I literally cannot keep
| the previous AirPods in my ear and if I do it causes aching,
| while I can use the pro's without issue. Or is it just a refresh
| of the original AirPods?
| smaug7 wrote:
| This is a refresh of the original AirPods. The Pros are the
| ones with the in ear caps.
| solarmist wrote:
| This seems to be a refresh of the original.
|
| I had the same worry before I bought my AirPods, but I was very
| surprised that I don't have any problem with them staying put.
|
| I can even weight lift or row with them.
| filereaper wrote:
| Apple Marketing sometimes can be incredulous:
|
| >"First with our contour design that delivers sound directly to
| your ears"
|
| What does that even mean?!? These are in-ear headphones, how else
| are they supposed to deliver sound?
|
| Feels silly to have such a comment to make a two point slide.
| theshadowknows wrote:
| they _could_ project sound outward, using beam forming, such
| that the sound ricochets off of the walls and other surrounding
| objects and is directed onto the bones behind your ear. I'm not
| saying that would work, but it's an option!
| MBCook wrote:
| They like to make the page a certain size, and when there are
| only a few improvements over the previous generation... they
| get creative.
| kwertyoowiyop wrote:
| Our white plastic has the highest albedo ever!
| [deleted]
| luxuryballs wrote:
| Then the flavor of the cheeseburger was delivered, right in my
| mouth!
| mttjj wrote:
| @dang can we get a less editorialized title (this one only
| highlights one of the new features)? And one that uses proper
| capitalization?
|
| Something like "AirPods (3rd generation)" would also match the
| other Apple-announcement posts that are currently on the front
| page.
| dang wrote:
| Ok, I've changed the title--submitted title was "Apple new
| airpods with Spatial Audio". I don't know that that was so bad,
| since it's the feature Apple is emphasizing, but it's not a big
| deal.
| mttjj wrote:
| I was more concerned with the lazy capitalization but thank
| you for changing anyway :)
| WithinReason wrote:
| A spatial audio implementation could range from mind blowing to
| meh. I want to hear one that can reach this level:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYdIidUIbAs
| somedude895 wrote:
| Wow, I did not know my headphones could do that! What's this
| announcement then if this is already possible?
| TheGRS wrote:
| At the end of the day it's still 2 speakers. I get doing
| spacial audio effects on a soundbar, but for headphones its
| all just how well you can translate the effect to 2 close
| speakers.
| errantmind wrote:
| Binaural recording and spatial audio are not the same thing.
| The linked track is a binaural recording.
| WithinReason wrote:
| This was a recording with a head-shaped microphone, for
| spatial audio you have to implement the HRTF:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-related_transfer_function
| aidenn0 wrote:
| This was done with a physical device rather than a calculated
| HRTF, and always impressed me:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUDTlvagjJA
| mongol wrote:
| I like my wired, ordinary earphones. They are low tech, cheap and
| reliable. When I pick them up from my pocket, I may have to spend
| a few moments to untangle then, but it is usually just a few
| seconds. After some months the wires start to go bad. Then I use
| a new pair. But such a pair costs very little.
|
| I don't know what I am missing, but I think I would be frustrated
| if expensive wireless earphones run out of battery when I need
| them, or lose their ability to hold charge, or I lose them. It is
| a worry I don't mind to live without. I am probably just a cheap
| grumpy old man....
| Unklejoe wrote:
| I mainly just use them when I run on the treadmill. The wire
| gets a little annoying since I don't have a shirt on to tuck it
| into.
| truffdog wrote:
| I managed to get a new phone with a headphone jack, but it's
| "wrong" somehow and the plugs just pop out.
| Causality1 wrote:
| Sony MDR-J10 earphones were the most comfortable listening
| experience ever created, and I regularly forgot I was even
| wearing them. Shame they're no longer being made and no TWS
| earbuds have tried to imitate their design.
| enjoiful wrote:
| Honestly until you try wireless, you won't understand just how
| much better the user experience is to not have a wire.
| xcambar wrote:
| Honestly until you have to suffer battery problems, you won't
| understand just how much better the user experience is to
| have a wire.
|
| ;)
| nzach wrote:
| Having no battery on your headphone when you want to use it
| _right now_ is extremely frustrating indeed.
|
| However headphones with 50+ hours of playing time actually
| exist nowadays. And this makes life so much easier. Besides
| that I bought one of those charging cables where the tip is
| detachable[0] and use that to charge my headphone.
|
| Even on _linux_ things mostly works! Just remember to
| restart your machine after every system update and don 't
| move your headset between devices. I only use linux so I
| don't know how true is that statement for other
| environments.
|
| If you really need to use the same headphone for multiple
| devices you should look for a wired solution.
|
| All in all I don't think wireless headphones have a worse
| user experience, it is just a tradeoff. And to be clear,
| both my headphones and my smartphone have a p2 jack. This
| is what I call having a cake and eating it too.
|
| [0] - https://www.amazon.com/Terasako-Magnetic-Charging-
| Cable-5-Pa...
| etrautmann wrote:
| I was on this boat too until the Airpods pro. I'm much
| happier without the wire in virtually all cases, despite
| occasional bluetooth hiccups
| theshadowknows wrote:
| The only thing that bothers me with my various Airs-pod
| is that they sometimes want to connect to other devices
| (or, more accurately, other devices want to connect to
| them)..for example I'll be on a call with my Airpods Max
| connected to my phone, and I'll lean a little too close
| to my desk and this little dialog pops up on my iPad
| wanting to connect to them...or I'll move my phone a
| little bit and a little dialog pops up asking if it
| should connect to my home pod...but it's a very minor
| annoyance that is almost comical now.
| xcambar wrote:
| Headphones are the use case I use the most to introduce people
| (usually younger people and students) to the benefits of low
| tech and overall to the benefits of less.
|
| I strongly agree with you. My headphones are 10EUR, last
| forever and I have 2 pairs in a drawer. I'm still 100EUR below
| the cheapest airPods and no one ever complained.
|
| My phone is 5 years old, but since it does what I want: email,
| WhatsApp/Signal, Spotify, Podcast, Maps... I can stand having
| less shiny pictures of my kids. I don't care, I'm still having
| the moments, pics are just the reminder, and their sharpness is
| just secondary.
| cloogshicer wrote:
| Warning: I purchased AirPods 1st gen and after a firmware update,
| they just stopped working. They disconnect after a few minutes.
| It's been over a year and this hasn't been fixed. This seems to
| be a widespread issue (see links below) - but at the Apple store
| they just tell you to buy replacements for almost full price.
|
| I'm quite frustrated with this and thus won't purchase these
| again. I think they are designed to last a year or two max, which
| is just too expensive and environmentally unfriendly.
|
| https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8499626
|
| https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251067580
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/airpods/comments/h7furn/left_airpod...
|
| https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251532951
|
| https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250494933
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEyTDJJ6GPc (see all the
| comments)
| clairity wrote:
| i have this issue. it's super frustrating, because a reconnect
| is required every 5-10 minutes.
| cloogshicer wrote:
| For me it's down to a few seconds, especially on phone calls.
| They're unusable.
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