[HN Gopher] The Frame.work Marketplace Opened
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The Frame.work Marketplace Opened
Author : fkarg
Score : 313 points
Date : 2021-10-13 07:20 UTC (15 hours ago)
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| MR4D wrote:
| I would love to see a yubikey in here.
| Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
| 32 keyboard options and no Dvorak? Thanks, I'll pass. /s
|
| (But seriously, frame.work guys, add Dvorak!!)
| sangnoir wrote:
| Well, if anyone has a laser etcher, I'd like to go into a 50/50
| business with them (where I'm the "Ideas guy"): we (you) buy
| the blank keyboards from Framework, etch the keycaps and sell
| them, and then we split the profit /s
| eatbitseveryday wrote:
| A regular SDCard expansion slot would be nice. My 2013 macbook
| pro has that, and makes it easy to transfer files from my camera.
| kiba wrote:
| I need a USB-A port because I was too stubborn and insisted on
| using usb-c only ports to my detriment. And it's "coming soon"
| only!
|
| Hope they will be available soon.
| ahupp wrote:
| You can get a USB-A expansion card with the laptop order, i
| think its just the one-off marketplace listing thats "coming
| soon".
| neatze wrote:
| Will it ever ship with coreboot and linux support ?
| StoneTable wrote:
| Coreboot is something they want to do, and are hiring for:
| https://jobs.lever.co/framework/af82bd1b-7ebd-46da-8ae4-7dab...
|
| As for Linux support, it's already there. There are papercuts,
| like needing a fairly recent kernel and certain packages (for
| the fingerprint reader), but it works fine, by all accounts.
|
| I'm expecting my DIY edition to ship in the next week or so,
| and I'll be running Linux on it full-time.
| ncallaway wrote:
| I installed the Fedora 35 beta on my framework laptop, and
| everything has been working perfectly well for me.
| yepthatsreality wrote:
| Running Manjaro KDE on mine. Only issue is typical Linux
| hibernation drains the battery. Otherwise flawless, fingerprint
| reader even works with KDE once configured.
| [deleted]
| another_story wrote:
| Does is sleep properly on lid closing? Even more
| specifically, can you enable S3 sleep from the Bios? Some
| newer laptops have things locked down so sleep doesn't work
| right on Linux, meaning the laptop dies after a few hours of
| the lid being closed.
| sfotm wrote:
| (Not GP)
|
| You pretty much have the option between s2Idle, s2deep, and
| hibernation. The s2Idle mode is really responsive, but it
| drains battery at a really high rate. s2deep isn't
| technically supported IIRC; I was able to turn it on and
| have seen the battery life under sleep improve, but it
| takes about 10 seconds to wake up to a point where I can
| log in.
|
| If I know I'm going to be away from my laptop for a long
| time, I'll generally put it in hibernation mode.
|
| There might be a better solution out there, but the general
| consensus seems to be that Linux + Tiger Lake aren't a
| great marriage at the moment when it comes to sleep.
|
| Arch Wiki tells you how to use s2deep, if you want to
| enable it:
| https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Laptop/Framework#Suspend
|
| EDIT: I said 10 minutes before, where I meant 10 seconds.
| Sorry about that.
| jokethrowaway wrote:
| 10 minutes to exit a sleep mode that doesn't drain the
| battery sounds like a deal breaker
|
| It's easier to turn it off at that point
|
| Hopefully it will be fixed with time
| sfotm wrote:
| Sorry, I meant 10 seconds there. Fixed it.
|
| And while s2deep does help a lot, it's still pretty far
| from perfect - certainly not the kind of sleep you'd get
| from a recent MacBook.
| Tsiklon wrote:
| That transparent keyboard marked as coming soon is very very cool
| looking.
| appel wrote:
| The battery of my top of the line 2018 Surface Book 2 is failing
| and it would cost me $599 before tax to replace it. Instead, I'm
| going to put that money towards a new Framework laptop. I'm super
| excited to finally own a fully servicable laptop, really rooting
| for Frame.work to succeed.
|
| https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/how-much-does-out-...
| alshel wrote:
| Those storage expansion cards are so awesome.
| jagger27 wrote:
| Is it possible to replace the drive inside of the enclosure or
| is it proprietary? I wonder if it's just an M.2 adapter to USB.
| terrortrain wrote:
| If there were a track point keyboard, I don't think I could
| resist buying this laptop.
|
| I would also love a 16 or 18 inch version.
| komadori wrote:
| Likewise, I love the idea but there's no way I can do without a
| pointing stick keyboard. This basically locks me into ThinkPads
| at the moment.
| mickotron wrote:
| Buying one as soon as preorders are available in Australia.
| beefjerkins wrote:
| Also located in Aus, and I'm chomping at the bit to get my
| hands on one. Would love to support this company as much as I
| can!
| throwawaycuriou wrote:
| About a month back I decided it's long past due for me to try a
| tiling window manager. I've been rocking a DIY edition running
| Manjaro Sway community edition. There's been a learning curve
| coming from ChromeOS but I'm ecstatic. It feels like the first
| time I've had hardware and software tailored towards the
| priorities I have for a computer.
|
| The only thing I haven't gotten sorted is Bluetooth. I got it
| working once but it didn't survive a reboot. Others have figured
| it out, so I'm hopeful that I will too.
|
| Love seeing a reasonably priced replacement battery here in the
| marketplace. I may buy one now just to throw in the backpack.
| Swapping it out looks like it'd be a ~3 minute job.
| supernintendo wrote:
| This is exciting! I do wonder how Framework will handle some of
| the logistical challenges associated with running a hardware
| company, namely distribution. I've been waiting on my Framework
| DIY Edition for several weeks now - it was estimated to arrive a
| couple of weeks ago but seems to be stuck in the purgatory that
| is Portland / Troutdale FedEx. Of course everything is kinda
| upside down in the world at the moment and Framework is barely a
| year old at this point, so I can't really fault them here. That
| said, I really hope Framework is able to successfully scale in
| this regard. Like it would suck to order a replacement part you
| need only to have to wait a month or longer for it to arrive in
| the mail.
| kvark wrote:
| I just received my DYI edition. I'm in Canada, and it was
| shipped 2 days ago. No extra charges. Best logistics experience
| I had in a while :)
| wbsss4412 wrote:
| Yeah, parent should probably have acknowledged the current
| black hole that is the trout sale fedex currently. (Though
| they did call it purgatory)
|
| The current issues there have nothing to do with framework,
| it's affecting everyone. My friend recently had their
| mattress shipment stuck there for over a week.
| mmmeff wrote:
| The entire Pacific Northwest FedEx operation is in
| shambles. Had several packed over the last few months show
| up 2-4 weeks late up here in Northern Washington
| mey wrote:
| I kinda wish someone would produce a documentary on what
| the hell is going on over there.
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/ppreq9/packages_
| g...
| windowsrookie wrote:
| From what I hear, FedEx nationwide is extremely
| understaffed and they can't hire enough workers. UPS is
| also understaffed, but is not having the same issues
| hiring because they are unionized and offer better pay
| and benefits.
| kodah wrote:
| I'm hoping by the next time I go laptop shopping that they've
| released a model with more USB C ports. This is phenomenal work
| though.
| yepthatsreality wrote:
| All the expansion bays (4) are already USBC and you don't need
| a module for it.
| mfer wrote:
| More ports? There are 4 slots and you can put in what you want.
| If you want all 4 to be USB-C you can have that. Are you
| looking for more than 4 slots? If that's the case you'll have
| to wait for different processors. I think the ones they are
| using only support up to 4 slots.
| kodah wrote:
| Oh nice, I didn't see options to replace the ports shown in
| the image with USB C. I'm supposing that's in the
| configuration wizard when you elect to buy?
| mfer wrote:
| In the wizard you get modules. You can hot swap modules
| because the are really USB-C under the hood. The laptop
| essentially has 4 USB-C ports and a module system to plug
| adapters in. You can avoid dongles this way.
|
| I'm not entirely sure why they did 4. 4 is more than other
| competitor laptops in this size category have. It could
| have to do with what the processor can handle or the space
| in a form factor of this size.
| mfer wrote:
| Looking further at the chips, they only support up to 4
| external displays. I wonder if 4 is somehow otherwise a
| factor down to the CPU/integrated GPU level.
| outworlder wrote:
| No, all ports are USB-C. You can then choose which
| 'modules' are plugged into them, and swap them at any time.
|
| Essentially, they are like 'dongles', but they sit flush
| and don't take additional space.
| vineyardmike wrote:
| > I'm supposing that's in the configuration wizard when you
| elect to buy?
|
| You're in for a treat if you buy this. You can swap the
| ports around using modules. So basically if you want
| different ports for your laaptop, you can do that without
| replacing the whole computer. You can even change them
| throughout day as needed.
|
| The ports are all USB C - thing built in dongles that can
| be swapped.
| kodah wrote:
| That is by far the coolest feature I've heard of to date.
| forty wrote:
| Personally I'd like more external ports. My current laptop
| have like 2 usb-c 2 usb-a, 1 HDMI, 1 Ethernet, 1 audio jack
| and 1sd reader, which I find pretty convenient for most
| situations. I think the 4 internal ports are more than
| enough, but sometimes just being able to plug more stuff at
| the same time is nice.
|
| And I would miss Ethernet currently :)
| sleepyxuras91 wrote:
| Maybe just one card with multiple ports in it would solve
| that problem. I get the design decision but using one usb c
| port to a singular function does feel wasteful, when you
| can plug a dock in that has three USB 3.0 A ports, USB C
| passthough, ethernet, HDMI, SD card reader all into a
| singular USB C port (looking at my $40 laptop dock on my
| desk currently for how many ports they squeezed into it!)
| sleepyxuras91 wrote:
| Looking though the community mock ups seemly is
| considerations around display port and PD when making
| multiple port modules
|
| https://community.frame.work/t/dual-usb-c-expansion-card-
| moc...
| flatiron wrote:
| I'm waiting on V2 of the DIY. I want to really get a sense of how
| upgradeable the laptop is. I hope I don't see "works on V1 not
| V2" and "works on V2 not V1" on their parts.
| loufe wrote:
| The amount of keyboard languages supported it fantastic. I was
| certain I wouldn't see "Canadian French" included but that
| definitely tipped the scales for me.
| 0des wrote:
| I can't wait to own one of these when they start offering AMD
| Aromasin wrote:
| Simply out of curiosity, why do you have this sentiment? I've
| seen it given a lot as the reason why people don't want to buy
| one yet, but the performance differences are slim compared the
| current Tiger Lake option; perhaps 10-20% on certain quad core
| workloads, more if optimized for octa, but worse on single and
| dual. Additionally, by the time the Ryzen CPU comes along,
| likely the Alder Lake processor will be released at which point
| Intel will have the edge performance wise (hybrid cores, DDR5,
| Xe graphics architecture etc.) Is it brand loyalty or another
| reason?
| 0des wrote:
| Thanks for the reply! For me, it's a preference, like tucked
| vs untucked. Intel has things outside of the realm of
| performance that turned me off, so my last few builds have
| been AMD and I'm generally satisfied.
|
| To your credit, I am typing this from an Intel device that is
| not my own, and it is performant as you mentioned.
| mey wrote:
| The integrated graphics on AMD is more powerful than Intel
| with better driver stability in games. Framework doesn't have
| a dedicated GPU to offset that consideration. AMD in current
| gens has a better performance per watt, cost and core counts.
| Biggest issue with AMD on laptops is availability of chips
| and thunderbolt support.
|
| Hard to compare what is coming with what is currently out, so
| I won't comment on Alder lake/etc. I am really interested how
| Xe does as a dGPU but that's outside a laptop context.
| MrStonedOne wrote:
| I don't want to support a company that held back
| computational advancements for a decade by engaging in anti-
| competitive practices towards their main competitor then
| using the gained ground to justify slowing down cpu
| advancements.
|
| I don't want to support the market segmentation that intel
| does with ECC and raid. Especially given the single core pref
| hit you take moving from the mainline i7-i9 cpus to the
| equivalent xeon ones thats on top of the 2x to 3x mark up for
| no reason.
|
| In short there is an ethical issue with buying intel some
| people want to avoid.
| bashinator wrote:
| More cores for running k8s locally.
| satvikpendem wrote:
| AMD has better battery life given that they run cooler at a
| lower TDP than Intel chips. This is partly due to the
| processor architecture. So this is one tangible reason to
| prefer AMD especially in a laptop as battery life is very
| important.
| deadmutex wrote:
| Genuinely curious: Has this claim been actually realized on
| similar hardware? There have been many cases where in
| theory platform XYZ is better than ABC, but then it ends up
| being worse because of implementation details. E.g. the OS
| doesn't take advantage of sleep states properly, or a
| driver bug, or a misconfiguration, etc.
| NAR8789 wrote:
| I mostly buy Intel, but more and more nowadays I'm pondering
| AMD for its support of ECC RAM.
| forty wrote:
| For a while I have been saying "buy AMD now or else later you
| won't have a choice" (and for laptop we did not have a choice
| not that long ago, so it's not hard to imagine)
| fulafel wrote:
| Aren't the expansion modules all just things that are standard
| ports and storage options on normal laptops? Would be cool if
| they offered something a little specialized. But of course if the
| current setup lets them offer the base laptop with less ports at
| a reduced price compared to a less modular laptop with more
| standard ports, it could be a win too.
| ssklash wrote:
| Yes, but they are interchangeable within a single slot. So
| you're never locked into one type of port. One day you need an
| SD card reader, the next you need an Ethernet port. Just swap
| them out.
| uoaei wrote:
| "Normal laptops" don't have many of those ports anymore, only
| available via dongle.
|
| I don't know what examples you refer to that are less expensive
| or more user-friendly.
| underko wrote:
| I recommend checking out
| https://community.frame.work/c/expansion-cards/developer-pro...
| and the associated github page.
| horsawlarway wrote:
| I see the expansion modules as a better solution to "dongle
| hell" that most users on new usb-c only machines are facing.
|
| My last two machines (work and personal) have been usb-c only,
| and for the most part I love it (shared chargers, shared docks,
| shared displays, etc).
|
| BUT! it can suck when I need to use my machine outside of the
| dock. In that case, I really want a standard usb-3 port or two,
| and an HDMI port (normally I'm presenting something, and
| basically every tv/projector under the sun has an hdmi port on
| it right now). I don't really want to have a giant chunk of
| plastic dangling off of my laptop that I have to remember, or
| that will get yanked on, or that I can accidentally leave
| behind.
|
| This seems like a nice solution to the problem. Given the
| current reviews, it seems pretty likely that I'll end up
| picking one of these machines up as my next personal laptop.
| stormbrew wrote:
| I really hope they add a keyboard with better arrow
| key/home/end/pgup/pgdn keys at some point. This is literally one
| of the most important factors for me in a laptop because I _hate_
| the way most laptops do them.
| alshel wrote:
| What laptops have that without having a number pad as well? I
| know my macbook doesn't have a better hone/end/pgup/pgdn. I
| personally hate laptops with number pads because the keyboard
| is then off center, so I just accept this sacrifice on laptops.
|
| I do really wish they had macbook-like arrow keys, which are
| very effective for touch typing since the half-size makes them
| easy to feel.
| bashinator wrote:
| My ThinkPad X1 has no number pad, and puts pgup/pgdn on
| either side of the up-arrow key, which works quite nicely for
| me. I picked that laptop specifically for the keyboard.
| stormbrew wrote:
| The last dell (xps 13 2-in-1 from about 2 years ago) I bought
| has page up and down above left and right (half-size keys,
| like the macbook, but the gaps filled in), and home/end above
| in the f-key row. It's not my _ideal_ but it 's good enough.
| rssoconnor wrote:
| My old Acer C710 and my X1 Carbon also have dedicated
| pgup/pgdn/home/end keys in those locations. As soon as
| framework comes out with such a layout I'll buy a new
| panel.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| If they release CAD files for the laptop enclosure and pinouts
| for the keyboard ribbon cable, one could theoretically 3D print
| or CNC an alternate top cover that can accommodate a keyboard
| with the desired layout, such as those of old ThinkPads and
| Latitudes/Precisions.
| sneak wrote:
| How do I buy one without giving money to Microsoft?
| jwcooper wrote:
| You can do the DIY option and choose no operating system.
|
| They're actively working on making it work well with linux:
| https://frame.work/blog/linux-on-the-framework-laptop
| ncallaway wrote:
| As an anecdotal data point, I installed the Fedora 35 beta on
| the framework laptop, and it's working very well with no real
| configuration necessary.
| codemac wrote:
| Click the DIY option, click OS: None.
| alshel wrote:
| I'm ordering the day the Thunderbolt expansion card becomes
| available. I just can't make use of a laptop that I can't plug my
| eGPU into.
| stormbrew wrote:
| The USB-C ports on it are allegedly thunderbolt4 in all but
| name, waiting on certification:
| https://community.frame.work/t/thunderbolt-4/255/13
|
| There are people in that thread saying they've run egpus off
| it.
| mfer wrote:
| To add to this...
|
| USB-C is a specification and Thunderbolt is a certification.
| They are in process on the certification.
|
| The processors they use support Thunderbolt and people have
| been using Thunderbolt accessories with it (you can see that
| in the forum).
| RL_Quine wrote:
| It's physically a USB-C port so I'm not sure you can do that.
| frosted-flakes wrote:
| Thunderbolt 3 and 4 both use USB-C.
| sfotm wrote:
| Brad Ling on YouTube has confirmed they have theirs working!
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C2tulk2mIE
| dartharva wrote:
| It's interesting they chose such a compact form factor for their
| laptop right from the beginning. I'd reckon a 15.6" build would
| have been much easier to put together for modularity and ease of
| repair, and maybe once it gained traction they could have
| expanded to smaller forms. Their initial customer base (I'm
| guessing it'd be engineers and enthusiasts) would also have been
| compatible with a bigger laptop, even if the mainstream laptop
| market has been overrun with small devices for some reason.
| AdeptusAquinas wrote:
| Now sell to NZ and AU pleeeeeeease
| heinrichhartman wrote:
| Are there plans for a 15" Laptop soon? Can't wait to place an
| order.
| nisegami wrote:
| I can't remember the last time I so badly wanted a company to
| succeed AND also believed it was possible for them to thrive.
|
| I think the landscape is right: awareness of reparability is
| probably at the highest its ever been, along with access to
| information and tools. The chip shortage and general lack of
| breakthrough gains in processing aside from Zen has stalled the
| upgrade cycles a bit, giving Framework time to dig its heel into
| the ground without being having to deal with new internal
| components. And the chip shortage also might produce a sense of
| "whatever I buy needs to last", which is a perfect match for
| Framework's platform.
| sylens wrote:
| I believe they recently got more funding to expand operations
| because Linus from LTT said he was personally investing in
| them. That makes me feel a little bit better about waiting for
| a 14" form factor and/or an AMD chip
| terafo wrote:
| > _I believe they recently got more funding to expand
| operations because Linus from LTT said he was personally
| investing in them. That makes me feel a little bit better
| about waiting for a 14 " form factor and/or an AMD chip_
|
| IIRC he wasn't even a main investor and his investment was
| around 200k, which isn't that much.
| dwild wrote:
| Sure but he was able to be one because they recently did
| raise funds and had a tiny bit leftover.
| OJFord wrote:
| That's at best neutral, but probably 'anti-marketing' as far
| as I'm concerned.
| DiggyJohnson wrote:
| I've always appreciated LTT, while acknowledging that they
| do contribute to the tech-industry product innovation
| churn. They seem self-aware and truly knowledgeable about
| the tech.
| echelon wrote:
| I hope this company grows and never forgets its openness. I'd
| love to see them absorb an open source phone, like Pine Phone,
| and create a cohesive open platform and device ecosystem.
|
| Imagine if they grew big enough to buy out Remarkable. Note
| taking, ebooks, ... I'd love to have all my hardware and
| productivity tools from an open company and have them all be
| hackable, extensible, repairable, and interoperable.
|
| Maybe they could even scoop up Mozilla and give everything a
| singular purpose. Computing as a liberating force yet again.
| rockemsockem wrote:
| Why do you think the best case scenario for openness is
| centralization? I love all of the organizations you listed
| and I think the best way for them to thrive is to remain
| separate.
|
| You want good integration between an open phone, laptop, and
| e-ink tablet? It's far better for open standards to be
| established to make this possible, so that any future company
| founded on similar principles with a similar business model
| can step right into this ecosystem.
| walterbell wrote:
| Centralize open hardware under an ex-Facebook team? No
| thanks. We can encourage more competition and innovation, in
| many niches.
| diskzero wrote:
| Is is possible that they learned lessons about fairness and
| openness as a result of their experience at Facebook? Is
| the stain of being associated with Facebook so indelible
| that no redemption exists?
|
| I am no fan of Facebook and encourage all current employees
| to quit. I do worry about a future where actions committed
| in ones past are considered so severe to be unforgivable. I
| would hate to be judged in such a manner.
| DanCarvajal wrote:
| Definitely my next laptop once I can justify a new laptop for my
| needs.
| aunty_helen wrote:
| Looking to get off Apples ecosystem after their last couple years
| of privacy debacles etc. I'm also facing a 350eur battery
| replacement as my mbp trends below 70% life and Apple requires me
| to replace about half of the laptop to get a new battery.
|
| This is the answer that I've been waiting for.
|
| My MBP is 15" and I prefer the bigger size / spec but this laptop
| is only 13" and would normally be a dealbreaker for me however,
| I'm going to put that to one side and jump in as soon as I have
| the capital. I want to be part of something that I see as good
| and a move in the right direction for repairability, openness and
| choice.
|
| I see a lot of people holding off because it needs X or they want
| an AMD cpu, I just want to say support this team now, they're
| doing great stuff and we as a community need to back them.
| prawn wrote:
| I went from a 15" MBP to 13" M1 MBP. Had concerns about the
| screen size, but it's not been an issue. The performance
| upgrade has been significant, even though I went from 16GB RAM
| to 8GB. Main gripe is the limitation of one external display,
| so I'm hoping the larger MBPs about to be announced fix that.
| Anyway, don't let the smaller display put you off.
| feteru wrote:
| I replaced my mbp battery recently, it wasn't too bad. Apple
| also quoted me needing to replace logic board, etc. due to some
| water damage indicators tripped. Just go slow and it's only
| ~<$200 for battery.
|
| Not to hold you back from getting a new framework, I replaced
| my battery but am still looking at one of these too!
| msie wrote:
| I would love a touchpad with mouse buttons please!
| leovander wrote:
| I'm swooning over that back to top button that spins as your
| scroll and it attempts to match your scroll speed.
| wayneftw wrote:
| I didn't buy one because I am not sure how well the module system
| works with regards to converting USB-C to HDMI/DP/etc.
|
| In all of my past experience, converting USB to graphics resulted
| in one problem or another. It's too much complexity for my taste.
| Am I wrong about how this laptop works though?
| necovek wrote:
| USB-C port can have DisplayPort AltMode support: transferring
| DP data through an appropriate USB-C cable. I believe the
| similar holds for HDMI (up to 1.4b).
|
| Considering other commenters are saying how the port is likely
| TB4 without certification, those should be natively supported
| too.
| jedimastert wrote:
| You know what I would _love_ to see? The mechanical keyboard
| community get a hold of this.
|
| Actually, what would be kinda cool and a bit more "practical" (in
| a since, at least) would be an option without any keyboard at all
| (plain aluminum or like plexiglass or acrylic or something) so I
| can use my own keyboard. I know from experience my Planck or
| Atreus fit on top of a normal laptop keyboard footprint, but I
| always feel so weird putting a mechanical keyboard on top of a
| laptop keyboard, damaging something or another.
|
| Actually, I'm off to go through that into the community forum
| horsellama wrote:
| I'd buy immediately a module with a blank 60% ortholinear
| layout (possibly with QMK support)
| keawade wrote:
| I think it will likely take significant modification to fit a
| mech keeb in the laptop as is. [I asked about the stock
| keyboard dimensions and was told the module is 3.8mm
| thick](https://community.frame.work/t/the-keyboard/155/5) which
| doesn't leave enough room for low profile mechanical keyboard
| switches that are all ~8mm thick without accounting for caps.
|
| That said, I'm right there with you hoping to see some cool
| mech keeb work around these laptops!
| MrStonedOne wrote:
| they want the ability to use it as an external keyboard, by
| just setting it on top of the existing keyboard, then
| removing it when they need to close the laptop. they don't
| want to do this now, because they worry about damaging
| something by doing so.
|
| So they want the laptop to have a blank cover where the
| keyboard normally is, so they have somewhere to put their
| mech keyboard while they use the laptop.
| benhurmarcel wrote:
| There isn't the thickness necessary for mechanical switches.
| What I'd love is to see some ergonomic layouts, kind of like
| Corne or Kyria (staggered columns and thumb cluster).
| 1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote:
| Any plans for a fanless option.
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