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Obsidian Mirror Used by Elizabeth I's Court Astrologer Has Aztec
Origins
Author : drdee
Score : 37 points
Date : 2021-10-10 00:45 UTC (3 days ago)
(HTM) web link (www.smithsonianmag.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.smithsonianmag.com)
| jhallenworld wrote:
| You can make your own "scrying mirror"..
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIxNGvv-bfs
| mymythisisthis wrote:
| Like tinted glass?
| [deleted]
| sonofhans wrote:
| If you're interested in John Dee, consider John Crowley's AEgypt
| books[0]. Crowley is a fantastic writer, a true craftsman,
| writing dense, detailed, and somewhat slow fantasy. John Dee and
| other Elizabethan occultists feature prominently in the books.
|
| 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEgypt
| chrisseaton wrote:
| Note that although 'Aztec' sounds super old, they were actually a
| civilisation from as recently as 1300 to 1550 or so, so not
| nearly as long ago as it sounds, and actually relatively
| contemporary To Elizabeth.
| adolph wrote:
| _Elizabeth I (7 September 1533 - 24 March 1603)[a] was Queen of
| England and Ireland from 17 November 1558 until her death in
| 1603. Sometimes called the Virgin Queen, Gloriana or Good Queen
| Bess, Elizabeth was the last of the five monarchs of the House
| of Tudor._
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| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_I
|
| _To 21st-century eyes, [court astrologer John] Dee 's
| activities straddle magic and modern science, but the
| distinction would have meant nothing to him. He was invited to
| lecture on Euclidean geometry at the University of Paris while
| still in his early twenties. He was an ardent promoter of
| mathematics, a respected astronomer and a leading expert in
| navigation, who trained many who would conduct England's
| voyages of discovery._
|
| _Meanwhile, he immersed himself in sorcery, astrology and
| Hermetic philosophy. Much effort in his last 30 years went into
| trying to commune with angels, so as to learn the universal
| language of creation and achieve a pre-apocalyptic unity of
| mankind._
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee
| Brakenshire wrote:
| There's a 15 minute BBC radio programme based around this object
| here:
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| https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b01ghc4h
| davidw wrote:
| Obsidian gets around:
| https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure?id=10.1371/...
| motohagiography wrote:
| How did an artifact for communicating with other worldly beings
| that was an ancient and sacred artifact, which originated from
| the _Aztecs_ , who lived on _the other side_ of the planet, get
| all the way through Spain to not just anyone, but the head
| Astrologer to the _Queen of England_? You have to ask the
| question, could the connection be that the go-between for the
| _Aztec empire_ and the Queen of England was brokered, even
| indirectly, by extra-terrestrials? Ancient astronaut theorists
| say yes.
|
| I would say, no, it was by boat. But Smithsonian just giving up
| and mixing archeology and the occult may signal a defeat, where
| they were like, "the only way we're going to get young people
| into the field is if we address this stuff, because that's what
| they're interested in. Post that Queen's astrologer and Aztec
| magic portal thing, and let's A/B it."
| djur wrote:
| The article says:
|
| > [The Spanish] quickly began shipping treasures, including
| obsidian mirrors, back to Europe... Dee was interested in the
| Spanish Conquest and had probably heard stories about obsidian
| mirrors... Dee may have bought the mirror in Bohemia (now part
| of the Czech Republic) in the 1580s...
|
| Not seeing any suggestion of magic portals or ETs here. It is
| of historical interest that we've been able to verify the
| Mesoamerican origin of these mirrors, and the connection to an
| interesting figure like Dee makes a good headline. This isn't
| an earthshaking revelation, and I don't think it's being
| treated as such.
| jameshart wrote:
| Maybe they are A/B testing something because the article I get
| when I view this link is not about aliens or the occult.
| Perhaps I'm in the control cell.
| BitwiseFool wrote:
| I have no idea what pathways short-circuited in my brain, but
| I didn't remember what A/B stood for and my brain said
| "Aztec/Britain". And I was like, wait, we have a term for
| Aztec to Britain testing, how in the hell did that happen?
|
| Then suddenly, my brain started working properly again and I
| remembered the concept of A/B testing.
| estaseuropano wrote:
| I too don't see any occult references, neither any suggestion
| that this object was very unique. We know about it because he
| used it and it ended in the British museum.
| detaro wrote:
| Huh? Where does the article say anything like that?
| lapetitejort wrote:
| I'm also puzzling over GPs comment. You can't describe the
| mirror without saying how it was used. Nowhere does the
| article say that it's the _product_ of occult or extra-
| terrestrial activities.
| dboreham wrote:
| Could also have been Dr. Who
| cperciva wrote:
| Time Lords _are_ extra-terrestrial.
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