[HN Gopher] Why birds can fly over Mount Everest (2020)
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Why birds can fly over Mount Everest (2020)
Author : Phithagoras
Score : 81 points
Date : 2021-10-12 20:48 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| dang wrote:
| One past thread:
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| _Why Birds Can Fly over Mount Everest_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23639294 - June 2020 (96
| comments)
| dmd wrote:
| If you remove the word 'can' from the title, you get another
| interesting question, and some scientists think the answer is
| that the bar-headed geese have been doing it since before there
| was a mountain range there!
| jhgb wrote:
| > bar-headed geese have been doing it since before there was a
| mountain range there
|
| The Himalayas formed fifty millions years ago. Geese apparently
| appeared ten million years ago. How would this be possible?
| pvg wrote:
| If that's true they've also been pigheaded since before there
| were pigs which probably explains the name.
| aspectmin wrote:
| I love reading both Nautilus and Quanta. Great articles.
| smegcicle wrote:
| tldr bird respiratory system is very effective, they breathe in
| one end of their lungs and out the other, always with either a
| full breath in their lungs or two breaths in their air sacs (one
| fresh, one ready to be exhaled)
|
| http://www.lslbo.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/bird-lungs.j...
| Mountain_Skies wrote:
| We already have artificial continuous flow hearts, next up:
| continuous flow lungs.
| plantain wrote:
| Some people have (kinda) learnt to -
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_breathing
| polishdude20 wrote:
| Like a literal jet engine. Continuous flow of air
| soylentnewsorg wrote:
| Well this seems interesting... So from my knowledge of high
| school honors bio, blood vessels have these long slow muscles
| that also help pump blood. If a heart pumps continuously,
| wouldn't that create back pressure on the vein/artery
| muscles, which would in turn increase your blood pressure
| whenever the vessel muscles contract to pump? And if you got
| an artificial heart, I'd think higher blood pressure is a bad
| thing?
|
| From my quick research just now, it seems continuous flow
| hearts are not better because they pump differently. That's
| just a side effect with no benefit that's noted in studies. A
| continuous pump is much smaller, and for long-term total
| heart replacement, is the only thing that can be small enough
| to fit in the body. In fact, it's noted in a case study that
| they're not sure about the long term effects of not having
| pulses, and that's something that will need to be studied.
|
| Now as far as the lungs - I think that would be a bad idea
| too. We'd need separate flow-through pathways to inhale and
| exhale. So two necks, or an exit hole in the chest. That
| takes up space and is another vector for infection. In
| addition, exhaling moisturizes the tissue, so you'd need much
| harsher intake tubes, and your exhale tubes would be
| constantly dripping water. All that extra space has to come
| from somewhere - meaning you now have less space for actual
| oxygenating tissue, resulting in worse oxygen capture. Now
| the diaphragm has to pump harder, because you're not
| extracting as much oxygen from your air intake.
|
| Anywise, you had a funny comment, which I hopefully made
| funnier by responding to it seriously. We're a good team.
| Team Heart & Lungs they call us.
| dorfsmay wrote:
| Yes, Medlife Crisis talks about the issue of continuous
| flow artifixcal heart and mentioned that work is happening
| on one than mimmics the heart better in one of his videos.
| einpoklum wrote:
| Wow, that story is amazing well-written. I would definitely tell
| it to my kids (if and when I have them).
| ARandomerDude wrote:
| It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question
| of weight ratios! A five-ounce bird could not carry a one-pound
| coconut.
| icelancer wrote:
| African swallows are non-migratory, man.
| simorley wrote:
| So that's what dinosaur tastes like.
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