[HN Gopher] Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations Lis...
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Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations List (Reproduced
Snapshot)
Author : 1cvmask
Score : 157 points
Date : 2021-10-12 18:17 UTC (4 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (theintercept.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (theintercept.com)
| chroem- wrote:
| Where are the left wing insurrectionist groups that terrorized
| Seattle and Portland last year? In Seattle they seceded from the
| US and shot six people with fully automatic weapons, in addition
| to thowing pipe bombs into occupied buildings.
|
| Edit: Is it okay when we do it?
| cwkoss wrote:
| Do we have any conclusive evidence that those acts were
| committed by particular groups rather than unaffiliated
| individuals?
|
| In my limited experience, the grouped-up folks tend to take
| more measured actions, the lone wolves are more likely to cause
| trouble.
| tomjakubowski wrote:
| "Seattle Antifascist Action" is on the list. What is the name
| of the missing group you're complaining about?
| chroem- wrote:
| I did not see the PNW Youth Liberation Front and John Brown
| Gun Club (among others)
| [deleted]
| tomjakubowski wrote:
| I think your original post would have been better received
| if you had been more specific and named the groups you'd
| like to see censored.
| chroem- wrote:
| That's part of the problem though: there is nobody
| keeping track of left wing terrorist groups in the US. We
| only have a clear picture of the PNWYLF and JBGC because
| they went around bombing and shooting people all last
| summer. To say the problem is limited to just a few
| groups is difficult, because A.) they are numerous with
| varying objectives, and B.) we just don't know how deep
| the rabbit hole goes.
| woodruffw wrote:
| > we just don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes.
|
| Hopefully not as deep as those mountain fortresses that
| Bin Laden was hiding in[1]!
|
| [1]: http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/brainiac
| /2011/05...
| janandonly wrote:
| hm...
|
| Half of the Organizations in the "Hate: category seem to be based
| in Germany.
|
| Almost all of the Organizations in the "Terror" category seem to
| be Islamic.
|
| In the category "Crime" Brazil is overly represented.
|
| There seem to be a shocking amount of "Armed Militia Groups".
|
| I was surprised to find that "A.K. Chesterton" is affiliated with
| the "British Union of Fascists" ?? Is that correct? I seemed to
| be confusing "G.K. Chesterton" with "A.K. Chesterton"
| pfffffiew...
| Turing_Machine wrote:
| According to Wikipedia, A.K. Chesterton was G.K. Chesterton's
| cousin, and was indeed a member of the British Union of
| Fascists between 1933 and 1938.
| nitwit005 wrote:
| The whole effort to remove hate speech is due to governments
| demanding they do so (sometimes with stiff penalties). You're
| just seeing a reflection of what government legal pressure they
| face.
| detaro wrote:
| Likely matches what the respective countries or organizations
| there put pressure on Facebook for, or which pose a legal
| problem for Facebook there. E.g. lots of German neonazi stuff
| in the hate category.
| Jon_Lowtek wrote:
| germany has a law called "social network enforcement act"
| which requires big social media networks to have a german
| speaking team that enforces national laws and effectively
| handles complaints. And germany has outlawed national-
| socialist ideology for obvious reasons.
|
| I am honestly surprised that style of enforcement isn't more
| common internationally.
|
| _(edit: got a detail wrong: the team does not need to
| physically be in germany, but facebooks is)_
| chuckee wrote:
| I don't know if you're aware, but that law (known as
| NetzDG:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Enforcement_Act) does
| a lot more than what you described. It requires social
| networks to delete "obviously illegal" posts within 24
| hours of receiving a complaint, or face a EUR5 million fine
| per offense.
|
| What social network will risk such a fine to keep a single
| post?
|
| > I am honestly surprised that style of enforcement isn't
| more common internationally.
|
| Probably because the NetzDG considered incompatible with
| both the German constitution and the European Convention of
| Human Rights (but the European Commission illegally does
| not allow access to their legal assessment regarding that
| law), and is opposed by many human rights groups, including
| Reporters Without Borders and the UN Special Rapporteur on
| Freedom of Opinion and Expression.
| throwawayboise wrote:
| Nazism is illegal in Germany. Militias are constitutionally
| protected in the USA, so there's not really a legal argument
| for all of those to be included.
| nl wrote:
| > Militias are constitutionally protected in the USA
|
| Not private militias! In-fact, they are banned by all 50
| states: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/30/907720068/are-
| citizen-militia...
| detaro wrote:
| you'll note that legal arguments are only one of the things
| I listed. (And as far as I understand, the situation around
| _private_ militias is far less legally obvious than you
| state it, and I don 't think any of the militias of the
| states is listed)
| petre wrote:
| > Almost all of the Organizations in the "Terror" category seem
| to be Islamic.
|
| Would you rather they put Navalny on the terror list? He was
| recently classified as a "terrorist" by the Russian prison
| authority. The list pretty much reflects US views, so I'm not
| that surprised.
|
| https://www.politico.eu/article/russian-prison-changed-naval...
| kragen wrote:
| There's a lot of potential for false positives in a list like
| this.
|
| "Houthis", one of the groups in the "Terror" list, is actually
| the name of an ethnicity in northern Yemen (which is currently in
| insurrection against the Saudi-backed government of Yemen).
| "Ammar", another, is also the name of the prostitutes' union here
| in Argentina, AMMAR, which is not to my knowledge a violent group
| (despite having had one of their leaders assassinated). "Taliban"
| literally means "seminary students". I'm guessing there are a lot
| of "Tamil Foundations for X" in India, given that there are
| almost 80 million Tamils in India, Sri Lanka, and Malaysia. 5
| million people live in Michoacan, and any of their families would
| be a "familia michoacana" in Spanish. "Surenos" are people from
| the South, which could mean South America or the Southern United
| States. "Asatru" is commonly used as the term for attempted
| revivals of pre-Christian Scandinavian religion (you know, the
| one with Thor and Freya and Odin); some factions are super racist
| (this is why Nazi SS uniforms used the "S" rune) while others
| reject racism. It's easy to imagine French speakers seeking
| "egalite et reconciliation" without endorsing the hate group. And
| of course there are a number of people out there named "Ben
| Jones", "Arthur Jones", "Charlie Fox", "Ian Stuart", "James
| Mason", "Jared Taylor", "Mario Machado", "Richard Spencer",
| "Robert Ray", "Alejandro Estrada", "Mario Jackson", "Omar
| Romero", "Abdul Aziz", "Abdul Jabbar", "Hafiz Saeed", "Mohammad
| Hejazi", "Mohammed Omar", and "Omar Hussain", and any of the
| numerous Hassans from Baghdad could reasonably be called "Hassan
| al-Baghdadi".
|
| In many cases the names on the list are of people who died many
| generations ago, so the evident intent is not even to prevent
| them from setting up Facebook accounts, but to prevent others
| from discussing them on Facebook; that is, to suppress comments
| like this one.
|
| -- *** --
|
| However, aside from questions of false positives, the broader
| issue is that nominally the issue over which the Cold War was
| fought was over whether to have such a list of prohibited groups
| and dangerous individuals whose voice was too dangerous to allow
| people to hear it, or subjects too dangerous to allow people to
| discuss them; the USSR argued that it was essential, the US that
| it was intolerable, in both cases somewhat inconsistently. This
| theory of liberalism was fundamental to the foundation of the US
| -- not, as some would argue, as a mere limitation on government
| action, but as a fundamental aspect of what distinguishes a good
| society from a bad one.
|
| So it's disquieting to see liberalism so thoroughly rejected by
| modern centralized communications media.
| kace91 wrote:
| > However, aside from questions of false positives, the broader
| issue is that nominally the issue over which the Cold War was
| fought was over whether to have such a list of prohibited
| groups and dangerous individuals whose voice was too dangerous
| to allow people to hear it, or subjects too dangerous to allow
| people to discuss them; the USSR argued that it was essential,
| the US that it was intolerable, in both cases somewhat
| inconsistently. This theory of liberalism was fundamental to
| the foundation of the US -- not, as some would argue, as a mere
| limitation on government action, but as a fundamental aspect of
| what distinguishes a good society from a bad one.
|
| The issue over which the cold war was fought was one of world
| dominance, and to be honest the way you describe the values
| that the US defended seems laughable considering you're
| referring the era of Hoover's FBI.
| korethr wrote:
| Huh. There's a lot bands in the "Hate" section. Looking up the
| various names I'm finding various death metal and black metal
| bands. I can't help but wonder how many of those bands on are on
| that list because someone at Facebook took heavy metal imagery
| and lyrical themes too seriously and literally.
|
| More Edit: Turns out I picked a bad example. I missed reference
| to a name collision with an actual National Socialist band using
| the original name. The original edit is below.
|
| Edit: Figured I should support my thesis with an example.
|
| Let us take the band Sturmtruppen, from the Hate section of the
| linked article. From Encyclopaedia Metallum[1][2], they are a
| Black/Death metal band with themes of war and genocide. Per and
| interview referenced on their Encyclopedia Metallum page, their
| choice of those themes is not to glorify them, but to have
| something evil sounding enough to fit the style of music.
|
| I am not saying that all the listed bands don't belong there. I
| know that actual neo nazi bands that take their imagery and
| themes seriously are a real thing that exist. But I do suspect at
| least some bands are on that list because of imagery and lyrical
| themes alone.
|
| 1. https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Sturmtruppen/12143
|
| 2. https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Truppensturm/98034
| [deleted]
| cunidev wrote:
| To be fair, all bands I knew of listed there were indeed done
| with serious NS ideology. Even the most famous and "mainstream"
| Burzum runs a YouTube channel that expresses white supremacy
| ideas and racist weirdness.
|
| Overall, the list appears reasonable to me and no (to me known)
| member is particularly surprising.
| [deleted]
| detaro wrote:
| Given that your first link says they changed their name because
| of a naming conflict with a known Nazi band, don't you think
| that maybe _that other band_ is the one banned? And yes, that
| one is quite clearly a neonazi band.
|
| EDIT: and at least the few names I recognize on that list also
| fall under that label.
| throwaway8582 wrote:
| The "hate" section is about political censorship. It's full of
| people Facebook doesn't like, but can't throw under "crime" or
| "terror" because they aren't actually dangerous. Notice how the
| only groups in there are pro-white or white nationalist groups?
| Not to defend these groups, but by deciding to vilify these
| people while ignoring all other forms of racial and ethnic
| pride/nationalism/hatred, Facebook is sending a clear message
| that they favor some groups over others.
| thriftwy wrote:
| This list is a close reminder of another famous list (of
| musical bands banned in the USSR)
|
| https://s.fishki.net/upload/users/2020/02/17/907382/b7325f11...
|
| The given reasons are exactly the same: violence, hate,
| religious extremism. Facebook is the new Soviet State of
| Workers and Peasants.
| lovecg wrote:
| Which band do you think should not be on the list?
| [deleted]
| klodolph wrote:
| You've made an error.
|
| There are multiple bands with the name "Sturmtruppen". One is
| from Switzerland, formed in 1988. That is the one in the list.
| You have confused it with the German band from 1996, which
| changed its name to avoid confusion with the other band.
|
| https://www.discogs.com/artist/1917747-Sturmtruppen
|
| It has a Wikipedia page:
|
| https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmtruppen_Skinheads
|
| > In Deutschland wurde es wegen seiner uberwiegend
| auslanderfeindlichen Texte von der Bundesprufstelle fur
| jugendgefahrdende Medien indiziert.
|
| > Mehrere Mitglieder der Band waren in der Nationalistischen
| Jugend Schweiz organisiert.
| korethr wrote:
| Indeed I have. I have edited my post to reflect that.
| joshuamorton wrote:
| Without exception, every band I looked at either had obvious
| nazi or white supremacist references in the name, or a cursory
| search found it to be related to Nazi or Christian Identity
| groups. A bunch of them are German so there's less easily
| accessible information, but still, they're basically all nazi
| metal bands, not just metal bands.
|
| Edit: moving my other comment into this one, as others have
| mentioned, the band you linked changed their name because
| another band with the same name was a Nazi metal band. Perhaps
| that's why only the name shared with a Nazi band is on the
| list. (that other band presumably being
| https://www.discogs.com/artist/1917747-Sturmtruppen)
| psyc wrote:
| It's not that. They're pretty clearly white supremacist /
| neonazi metal bands, and that's definitely a thing.
| [deleted]
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| Poe's law applies, impossible to tell who is parody and who
| is genuine without being familiar with the source.
| dymk wrote:
| If you can't tell without being familiar with the source
| (aka almost everybody else), it doesn't really matter if
| white supremacist material is ironic/parody/joking or not
| aasasd wrote:
| There's an entire microgenre of 'national socialist black
| metal'.
| Natsu wrote:
| Hard to say, but there's a history of the bands themselves
| taking themselves that seriously, e.g. -
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Norwegian_black_metal_sc...
| tallies wrote:
| From your first link, it says that that band changed their name
| because of a NS band with the same name. NS meaning National
| Socialist...
| jdhn wrote:
| They have Ted Kaczynski on that list despite the fact that he's
| in prison for the rest of his life, and that he wouldn't use
| Facebook even if he was out. Is his presence on this list an
| indicator that Facebook is paying more attention to users/groups
| that talk about him a lot or share his ideals?
| busterarm wrote:
| They also have Aum Shinrikyo listed as such even though they
| changed their name to Aleph (which is not listed) decades ago.
| Sunspark wrote:
| Maybe the latter. They have people on the list who have been
| dead for 76 years.
| na85 wrote:
| They have a bunch of dead Nazis on that list, like Adolf
| Hitler, Rudolph Hess, and Adolf Eichmann.
|
| Presumably these folks aren't using facebook so I can only
| assume that, uh, younger nazis have adopted these names as noms
| de guerre?
| TaylorAlexander wrote:
| Since Facebook creates profiles even for people not on
| Facebook, I wonder if their system has an internal profile
| for people like that...
| syshum wrote:
| They have Adolf Hitler on the list, he is dead as far as I know
| unless Facebook as confirm the conspiracy that he never died?
| bellyfullofbac wrote:
| Everyone missing the bleeding obvious: keywords for their
| moderation bots, if post contains keyword, flag it for manual
| moderation, or even downrank it so it doesn't show up that
| often in news feeds.
|
| Although with how much the MAGA-crowd evokes the name of
| Hitler/Nazis to compare the current administration with it,
| maybe not...
| refenestrator wrote:
| Consider it an anti-godwin measure and it's still a win,
| whoever is saying it.
| BitwiseFool wrote:
| >"Although with how much the MAGA-crowd evokes the name of
| Hitler/Nazis to compare the current administration with it,
| maybe not... "
|
| Okay, but I want you to acknowledge just how much Blue Team
| did this exact same thing during the last administration.
| syshum wrote:
| >>Although with how much the MAGA-crowd evokes the name of
| Hitler/Nazis to compare the current administration with it,
| maybe not...
|
| I have not seen this widely used, and when it is often it
| is in the context of "And they called us Nazi's" or
| something to that effect.
|
| The number of "MAGA-Types" comparing Biden to WWII Germany
| is a faction of the number of people that used the same
| comparison for Trump.
|
| Neither are accurate, but Godwin demands that everything we
| dislike is just like fascism
|
| //for the record, because I have not. I am neither
| Republican or Democrat I support the largest 3rd party in
| the US, they who can not be named....
| gorwell wrote:
| Long dead Hitler and Goebbels are included too, but why stop
| there? Where's Joseph Stalin and Vlad the Impaler.
|
| https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21083819/pages/facebo...
| adventured wrote:
| Exactly. Where's Che Guevara? Another of the monsters of the
| 20th century and still quite popular as an icon.
| robbedpeter wrote:
| Why not Marx and Mao? Could never understand why some murder
| memes are OK but others are not.
| woodruffw wrote:
| Karl Marx, the 19th century philosopher and economist, is
| not particularly well known for murdering people.
| Angostura wrote:
| Stalin, perhaps. Not sure Marx particularly advocated
| murder.
| petre wrote:
| Vlad the Impaler might have been overdoing things, but he did
| stuff that pretty much standard practice during the Middle
| Ages. Stalin on the other hand should totally be on that
| list.
| woodruffw wrote:
| I'm guessing the list is based on political salience, not
| just how "bad" a person is.
|
| There probably aren't that many Vlad the Impaler apologists
| in the world, given that he's a functionally irrelevant
| person to be an apologist for. That's perhaps less the case
| for Stalin, but even Marxist-Leninists (seem) to make fewer
| excuses for Stalin-the-human than neo-Nazis do for Hitler-
| the-human.
| legostormtroopr wrote:
| > There probably aren't that many Vlad the Impaler
| apologists in the world
|
| Literally the entire genre of Vampire literature disagrees.
| woodruffw wrote:
| > Literally the entire genre of Vampire literature
| disagrees.
|
| I wasn't under the impression that there was any
| particular political message behind contemporary vampire
| fiction. Dracula _itself_ is full of political messages,
| but probably not the ones you 're thinking of[1].
|
| [1]: https://www.jstor.org/stable/3828327
| barbacoa wrote:
| And don't get me started on the Romans.
|
| After the Romans captured Carthage they murdered 450,000 of
| its inhabitants.
|
| This makes Caesar's Place in Las Vegas very culturally
| problematic.
| [deleted]
| labster wrote:
| How does it make Caesar's Palace problematic? The Punic
| Wars were long over by the time Julius Caesar was fighting
| Gauls. He literally overthrew the republic which caused
| that mass murder in Carthage a century earlier.
|
| Are you trying to be sarcastic? Satire is dead because no
| one can tell any more. The internet is so vast that at
| least a few people have your absurd opinion, possibly
| including you.
| [deleted]
| andyxor wrote:
| And how about the indigenous Inca & Maya people, nobody
| wants to see their human sacrifice culture celebrated on
| Facebook (Mel Gibson exposed the ugly truth in Apocalypto)
|
| And the Spanish Inquisition, Bluebeard, Ivan The Terrible,
| Robespierre, Lenin, Beelzebub and Donald J. Trump?
|
| The ban list is way too short.
| woodruffw wrote:
| With the exception of Lenin, I don't think contemporary
| political positions hold a great deal of water for any of
| these people. The list probably isn't an objective scale
| of atrocity, it's probably proportional to the volume of
| content that Facebook _actually_ sees.
| dragonwriter wrote:
| > And how about the indigenous Inca people, nobody wants
| to see their human sacrifice culture celebrated on
| Facebook (Mel Gibson exposed the ugly truth in
| Apocalypto)
|
| _Apocalypto_ focussed on the Maya, who aren 't even from
| the same continent as the Inca.
| andyxor wrote:
| You're right I always mix them up, corrected
| [deleted]
| justin_oaks wrote:
| I can appreciate that this is a "Reproduced Snapshot". I don't
| see anywhere that clarifies what it means, but I assume that this
| means it's not a simple copy/paste of text, nor a screenshot.
|
| The reason for avoiding both of those is to avoid passing through
| watermarking that can reveal how the data was leaked.
|
| Text can be watermarked by including unicode characters that look
| identical to ASCII characters or including invisible characters
| like zero-width spaces. Copy-pasting text will keep those
| characters.
|
| Images from screenshots can be watermarked by having subtly
| differently colored pixels, subtle differences in text spacing,
| etc.
| [deleted]
| LinuxBender wrote:
| Is there a text/plain version of the list somewhere? If I click
| their text button there are no line feeds or carriage returns.
| Maybe it's my browser.
| bitlax wrote:
| So what's the deal with the militia groups? Are these groups
| listed particularly heinous groups or is this an editorial
| decision by Facebook, that they don't want militia groups to
| organize using their platform?
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| the US has a militia, its called the national guard, any other
| militias might be called "paramilitary", and a private company
| might choose not to be the platform of paramilitary groups
| syshum wrote:
| The US has 2 Militia's under federal law, the organized
| Militia aka the national guard, and the unorganized militia
| which is 10 U.S. Code SS 246 which states "The militia of the
| United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17
| years of age and,... under 45 years of age who are, or who
| have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of
| the United States and of female citizens of the United States
| who are members of the National Guard."
| Jon_Lowtek wrote:
| I don't think this list is the result of a private companies
| (facebooks) choice. What we are looking at seems state
| mandated
| lsiebert wrote:
| all 50 states prohibit private militia groups.
| https://www.npr.org/2020/08/30/907720068/are-citizen-militia...
|
| "...But one thing is consistent - all 50 states have some
| provision in their state law, whether it's their state
| constitution or their state statutes, that prohibits private
| militia, private paramilitary activity. And that's also the
| case in Wisconsin. In addition, many states, including
| Wisconsin, prohibit private individuals, untrained,
| unaccountable to civilian authority from taking on official
| functions - functions of an official public officer like a
| police officer without any authority."
| LinuxBender wrote:
| Could there be a loophole if a group instead of calling
| themselves a private militia, instead calls themselves a
| {insert whatever} activist group and instead of paramilitary
| activity, they practice {insert whatever} peace protests?
| Asking because some of the organized groups in the past few
| years on the media appear to be heavily armed, organized and
| quite destructive.
| lsiebert wrote:
| I'm not sure I'd call it a loophole, it's still illegal to
| hurt people or damage property, but certainly there is
| evidence to suggest bugaloo boys and white nationalists are
| doing exactly that, by infiltrating peaceful protests.
|
| https://www.salon.com/2020/06/17/far-right-boogaloo-boy-
| kill... https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/mitchell-carlson-
| umbrella-man...
| https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-
| news/boogaloo-b...
| https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/boogaloo-bois-member-
| charged... https://www.complex.com/life/2020/07/white-
| supremacists-infi...
| [deleted]
| viro wrote:
| most militia groups are very boogaloo boysish. Which tend to be
| far-right anti-government extremists.
| pwned1 wrote:
| LOL. Michigan Militia of Love.
| andrepew wrote:
| Blue Airways -- a Romanian budget airline is on the list as a
| "Terror" organization. I guess their service isn't very good.
| AdrianB1 wrote:
| That is Blue Air, not Airways.
| joshuamorton wrote:
| Or its the Turkish terror affiliated group:
| https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm0395
| silverpepsi wrote:
| Now imagine that accompanying all your new Facebook posts with a
| clearly positive sentiment, you randomly throw in one name from
| the list. Could be very interesting
| Arrath wrote:
| Next up, set up a site to include a randomly selected word from
| NSA's Prism trigger list within the pages.
| yesbabyyes wrote:
| When I was in high school (early-mid 90s) we would use a list
| of ECHELON keywords as our email signatures.
| throwaway0a5e wrote:
| Might as well throw the Eurion into all your pictures while
| you're at it just to cause shenanigans with the parts of
| their stack that support that DRM.
| Miner49er wrote:
| Goodwill Charitable Organization is listed under terror. I wonder
| why that is.
| enjoyyourlife wrote:
| It's a Lebanese terrorist organization
|
| See https://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-
| releases/Pages/h...
| Miner49er wrote:
| Ah, I was getting it mixed up with the thrift store.
| h2odragon wrote:
| There's only so many dirty underclothes people can be
| expected to sort through before they snap.
|
| "Who did you _think_ wanted half a jar of olives?!? "
| korethr wrote:
| That's probably deliberate. An intentional name collision
| seems a good way to run a front.
| elliekelly wrote:
| It's a fairly common money laundering/terrorist financing
| scheme. They "hide in plain sight" and it often works.
| mikestew wrote:
| https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organiz...
| farmerstan wrote:
| Is this not just the OFAC list that all financial institutions
| need to check against during KYC?
| rdl wrote:
| I think it's a superset.
| hellojesus wrote:
| I didn't make the cut. That's sad.
| m0zg wrote:
| No Antifa? Why, of course not. What's a few dead people and
| billions of dollars in damage between friends.
| woodruffw wrote:
| The FBI and DHS, two agencies whose relationships with
| America's left have never been described as "friendly," have
| consistently determined that antifascists are neither organized
| as a movement[1] nor a serious violent threat to the United
| States[2].
|
| [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/antifa-protests-
| george...
|
| [2]: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-
| supremacists-...
| m0zg wrote:
| Same FBI that's about to start arresting "terrorist" parents
| for having the temerity to speak at school board meetings?
| That FBI?
|
| https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/575658-fbi-
| shou...
|
| https://www.newsweek.com/concerned-about-your-childs-
| school-...
|
| Don't rely so heavily on "fact checks" - their sole raison
| d'etre is to provide ammo to the "official" narrative
| peddlers nowadays. Read the original letter.
| woodruffw wrote:
| For what it's worth, it's considered bad etiquette to
| substantively edit your comments without marking that
| you've done so. In this case, the original post consisted
| entirely of:
|
| > Same FBI that's about to start arresting "terrorist"
| parents for having the temerity to speak at school board
| meetings? That FBI?
|
| As for the new links: they're both opinion pieces, both of
| which are (vague) handwringing that don't support the more
| outrageous claim being made (that the FBI is about to
| "start arresting [...] parents").
|
| The closest thing I can find to _actual_ reporting on this
| says that Garland (who 's DoJ, not FBI) wrote an advisory
| memo[1]. The memo itself is a broad announcement to
| multiple federal agencies notifying them to coordinate with
| local agencies in cases of harassment against educators.
| Not exactly shocking stuff.
|
| [1]: https://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1438986/download
| m0zg wrote:
| For what it's worth, HN throttles the opinions it doesn't
| like. And you're clearly not looking hard enough for me
| to consider that you're arguing your case in good faith.
| Bye.
| woodruffw wrote:
| I genuinely don't know what you're referring to. You should
| probably provide links.
|
| Edit: All of the recent FBI stories I can find are about a
| manhunt for a (presumed) murderer or about the nuclear
| espionage case.
|
| Edit 2: This is the only reference I was able to find[1].
| It sounds like the current governor of Florida falsely
| claimed that the FBI is "going after" parents. It's not
| clear what "going after" means, or where that came from.
|
| [1]:
| https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/11/rick-
| scott...
| ravenstine wrote:
| Both the FBI and DHS ought to be on the terror list
| themselves.
| woodruffw wrote:
| No particular disagreement here!
| hasdf wrote:
| oh come on the FBI is absurdly left wing and political right
| now
| woodruffw wrote:
| Far be it from me to defend the FBI, but it's actually
| probably the _least_ political it has ever been in its
| sordid history. The FBI was _explicitly_ aligned with far-
| right American politics for the better part of 50 years[1],
| and has only (publicly) cleaned up its act with respect to
| that in the last 25. The idea that the FBI is "left wing"
| is impossible to entertain seriously.
|
| [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover
| tomjakubowski wrote:
| You obviously did not bother to read the list, which includes
| several Antifa groups. (as well as some calling themselves
| Anti-Antifa)
| cwkoss wrote:
| Yep, I found the local leftist milita (they have antifa
| ideology but don't name the group antifa) on the list.
| amirkdv wrote:
| Do you really think Facebook has a soft spot for Antifa?
| (whatever that amorphous "organization" is)
|
| Tip: there's a toggle on the page where you can get the raw
| text of the document, then use ctrl+f.
| gxt wrote:
| Is there a stated goal for this list?
|
| There's around 1k names in the list but over 400k homicides
| worldwide every year. I assume there's lots more hate and misc.
| crimes every year, so what's the usefulness of having only 1k
| users flagged?
| elliekelly wrote:
| I'm guessing at least _part_ of the goal is OFAC compliance but
| this list seems to go far beyond OFAC sanctions.
| [deleted]
| gootler wrote:
| Oh I thought this was people like Mark Zuckerburger. Not sure
| what it's supposed to be.
| Lendal wrote:
| True. Title could be interpreted either way. Dangerous people
| associated with the Facebook organization, or people the
| Facebook organization decided are dangerous?
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