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AWS S3? Cloudflare R2? We think we know what's coming next
Author : cloudfalcon
Score : 285 points
Date : 2021-10-07 16:18 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| davidkuennen wrote:
| That's why I like Google Cloud naming. Compute Engine, Cloud SQL,
| Cloud Build, Kubernetes, ...
| [deleted]
| albatross13 wrote:
| Q1 baby.
| gzer0 wrote:
| Interesting! var o=r.__SECRET_INTERNALS_DO_NOT_
| USE_OR_YOU_WILL_BE_FIRED.ReactCurrentOwner,u=Object.prototype.has
| OwnProperty
|
| Side note: I must say, Taloflow really knows how to capitalize on
| that HN traffic flow. :)
| tdeck wrote:
| Sometimes this goes from R2 to Q1 (makes sense), but sometimes it
| goes to H1. Is there an alphabet that puts H right before R?
| austinpena wrote:
| Fixed, added a thank you for you in the console!
| kwakja wrote:
| Reminds me of HAL Laboratory (videogame developer involved with
| the original Super Smash Bros. and its sequel, Super Smash Bros.
| Melee) who did the same thing except with IBM.
| patrickthebold wrote:
| Was that before or after HAL in 2001 space odyssey?
| p_l wrote:
| Definitely later :D
| clessg wrote:
| This is almost as fun as Cookie Clicker!
| m0th87 wrote:
| R2 is marketed as "one less than S3!"
|
| I used the exact same tagline for a project open sourced in 2019:
| https://github.com/pachyderm/s2/
|
| So there you go VCs, I can market as well as cloudflare. Money
| please!
| arthurcolle wrote:
| The negative numbers take away from this bigly
| austinpena wrote:
| What would you suggest? After 0 go back to 2,147,483,647?
| cmenge wrote:
| Things get really confusing when you also use SAP R/3, migrating
| it to S/4: "So the S/4 gets some of its data from R/3 via S3 and
| writes reports to R2 which are used for a consolidated view in
| R/3 as long as the analysis isn't migrated to S/4 which will get
| all data via S3."
| alanbernstein wrote:
| This is all happening in Q4 at https://www.q2.com/, of course.
| jedberg wrote:
| "Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P.,
| shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to
| the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out
| in K.P."
| inopinatus wrote:
| R.I.P.
| orliesaurus wrote:
| W.T.F. ...
| memco wrote:
| Every time I hear an abundance of acronyms it makes think of
| this scene from Rocketman: https://youtu.be/ndj_dS4jImA?t=217
| ajdude wrote:
| After checking out the link, I went to view the comments
| but I accidentally opened up another HN thread. I thought
| that I was reading satire based on this link, until I
| realized it was a whole set of different acronyms for a
| different article in AI:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28790100
|
| It took me a couple comments before that realization
| though.
| xaerise wrote:
| U.S.A. The land of acronyms...
| Dyac wrote:
| Initialisms.
| kelnos wrote:
| Initialisms are a subset of acronyms; acronym is accurate
| here.
| Jedd wrote:
| > Initialisms are a subset of acronyms; acronym is
| accurate here.
|
| I believe you have that inverted.
|
| An abbreviation is a shortened version of a word or
| phrase, and encompasses both initialisms and acronyms. An
| initialism is pronounced one letter at a time.
|
| Acronyms are a separate special case - an abbreviation
| that is pronounceable as a word unto itself.
| moooo99 wrote:
| Trust me, it's not only the U.S.
|
| Source: I'm from Germany
| dmitriid wrote:
| y'all have nothing on USSR and Russia.
|
| There's even a small Twitter trend of posting "when you
| need English to navigate in Moscow". Se. e.g. https://dem
| otos.ru/sites/default/files/caricatures/2019-10-3...
| omarhaneef wrote:
| That's one direction to take the series. OR S3 needs to add P0,
| and R2 needs to add D2. Can't wait till AZ16, invests in Z-16,
| and releases their S1.
| divbzero wrote:
| You can do this with HAL too: IBM HAL
| GZK FYJ EXI DWH CVG BUF ATE
| ...
| ape4 wrote:
| Some company is going to break the mold with "Company Name Object
| Store"
| xtracto wrote:
| That would have to be Oracle:
| https://www.oracle.com/mx/cloud/storage/object-storage.html
| mrweasel wrote:
| Points for linking to the Mexican version.
| politician wrote:
| Does it bother anyone else that the distance between S3 and R2 is
| sqrt(2), not 1?
| kalleboo wrote:
| I would just like to give some respect to Backblaze B2 in here!
| Eikon wrote:
| B2 is nice but horrendously slow.
| xtracto wrote:
| A couple of months ago I was playing with BackBlaze and
| Oracle cloud. For some reason, mounting a Backblaze storage
| (using FUSE S3 and BB S3 compatibility ) in Oracle cloud was
| terribly slow. When I tried exactly the same in an AWS EC2
| instance it was quite fast. No idea why that happened.
| javierga wrote:
| Clicked before reading title, pressed button like mad. I
| originally thought it was one of those Elon Musk random child
| name generators.
| todd3834 wrote:
| What I like about the name R2 is the statement that they are
| aiming to make something better than S3. These are the kinds of
| competitions that benefit the consumers a ton. I don't care who
| wins as long as things continue to get better.
| dragontamer wrote:
| And the successor to the programming language "S" was "R". And C
| became... C++? D? Rust?
| dmix wrote:
| This is some great content marketing by Taloflow.
|
| Having not paid attention to this story I didn't realize they
| chose R because it was one letter behind S in the alphabet.
|
| If Cloudflare was a smaller company they'd probably get sued
| pretty fast. That has happened for much sillier and vain reasons.
| But I doubt there's much to gain via the courts in the current
| state of things. This seems to be standard price competition that
| all commodity like products resort to.
| forgot_old_user wrote:
| History rhymes with itself?
|
| "Amazon Web Services reportedly named its cloud database
| RedShift in order to tweak Oracle"
|
| "RedShift was apparently named very deliberately as a nod to
| Oracle' trademark red branding"
|
| https://www.geekwire.com/2018/amazon-web-services-reportedly...
| floatingatoll wrote:
| If consumers are so likely to confuse "S3" and "R2" that a
| court would grant trademark enforcement to S3 over this, then
| Mazda could have successfully sued BMW over the confusion
| between MX-2 and M3, not to mention the total havoc such a
| court judgment would wreak upon the SMT labeling industry:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28777350
|
| If Cloudflare had an entire AWS-simulation business and was
| making a clear effort to confuse customers about being "just
| like AWS, only not Amazon", then that might be an easier case
| to win, but Cloudflare seems pretty dead-set on being different
| than AWS (for example, they offer customer support), so that's
| unlikely.
|
| Amazon might still sue just as saber-rattling, but that would
| open them up to a SLAPP countersuit, against a party that has
| repeatedly demonstrated that it is willing to fund lawyers to
| punish those abusing the legal system -- not to mention being
| mocked around the world for suing over a two character product
| name with no shared characters.
| dotancohen wrote:
| > Cloudflare seems pretty dead-set on being different >
| than AWS (for example, they offer customer support
|
| In my experience with problems that I have caused in my AWS
| environments, AWS has excellent support.
| floatingatoll wrote:
| Lucky you! And I've recently had a bad experience with
| Cloudflare support, but I'm still making my offhand
| comment, because recently an AWS sales rep told me that the
| formal support process for one of their enterprise products
| is, paraphrased, "post to a discussion forum, and if I'm
| not on vacation, I'll see it and escalate internally to get
| you support" in as many words. I actually restated it to
| them to confirm and they paused noticeably before unhappily
| saying "Yes, that's correct". So it'll be a while before
| they earn back my respect in that particular regard -- I
| may be upset at receiving poor support one time, but it's
| still better than not even having a ticketing system
| available from the other.
| dragonwriter wrote:
| AWS has 24/7 phone/email/chat support on the business and
| enterprise support plans (with severity-based SLAs) with
| not only a ticketing system but a case management API,
| and business hours support on their developer support
| plan. Your sales rep sounds like they just want to
| maintain control of the relationship.
| samhw wrote:
| Yup, I second this. At a past job we needed support for
| Kafka, and their tech support's advice was so fantastic
| that it was actually circulated around the company for
| general reading. We had an entire team of people who were
| expert in Kafka - including myself - to the point of
| having given widely viewed talks etc, and we learned a
| lot from them. I can't rate it highly enough.
|
| That said, it's famous that there's a very big difference
| between the different tiers of AWS support. When I say
| 'tier', I just mean in the sense of how far your query
| gets escalated, though it's possible that only large
| clients get to be escalated to the very high tiers. (We
| were worth billions and spent near enough a million a
| month, so we were at least a t2.large to them.)
| datavirtue wrote:
| On Azure you can file a ticket and an engineer will be
| blowing up your phone in short order. That's on the
| developer plan. The expensive enterprise planes are the
| exact same support only faster with a guaranteed SLA.
|
| Azure smokes AWS on docs, community, and support. Just my
| experience...over and over again.
|
| I'm at a huge high profile company where we have
| dedicated AWS staff. We have a dedicated email address at
| AWS to reach them. First time I tried to use the email
| address I got no reply at all. Took a while to figure out
| it had changed. I had formed my above-stated opinion long
| before that whilst trying to use various services and
| referring to their docs and community to navigate all the
| undocumented and out of date cruft. This is almost a
| decade now of the same experience.
| outworlder wrote:
| > Azure smokes AWS on docs, community, and support. Just
| my experience...over and over again.
|
| Great. If only their tech stack was at the same level.
|
| In terms of support (filing tickets) we can generally get
| on a call with AWS in a matter of minutes. If there's one
| thing that's annoying, is the status page. We'll often
| get notified of outages by our account rep way before
| there's anything in the status page.
| dvtrn wrote:
| _If only their tech stack was at the same level._
|
| No joke. Sometimes I appreciate the way Azure has chosen
| to differentiate itself in terms of developer experience.
|
| Then there are times using it when I want to walk into an
| ocean.
|
| Interestingly, those times seem to be anytime I have to
| deal with Application Insights or LogAnalytics. Azure, if
| anyone working on those two products are reading this,
| y'all need to go read up on this thing called
| 'correlation' because the Azure native logging and APM
| is...
|
| _whistles_
|
| boy.
|
| It's something. I just love waiting 5-15 minutes just to
| see a log line, if I even see it at all with how
| routinely problematic and unstable their logging
| infrastructure is[1]
|
| [1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/azure-monitor-
| status/...
|
| (We're already looking to get away from LA though)
| breakingcups wrote:
| Not my experience. We're waiting for them to sort out a
| broken Azure AD B2C instance for over a year.
| floatingatoll wrote:
| B2C sounds a lot like E2C which is close to EC2!
| CRConrad wrote:
| > then Mazda could have successfully sued BMW over the
| confusion between MX-2 and M3
|
| Assuming you mean the MX-3 (I can't find any reference to
| such a thing as a Mazda MX-2), it would hopefully have been
| the other way around -- BMW suing Mazda, since the M3
| predates the MX-3 by half a decade:
|
| > _M3 models have been produced for every generation of 3
| Series since the E30 M3 was introduced in 1986._ --
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3
|
| > _The Mazda MX-3[4] is a four-seat coupe manufactured and
| marketed by Mazda, introduced at the Geneva Auto Show in
| March 1991[5] and marketed for model years 1992-1998._ --
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MX-3
| marcosdumay wrote:
| AFAIK, you can describe a product as "just like AWS, only not
| Amazon" without any problem as long as you are clear enough
| that it's not Amazon, and that "like" is really "like".
| rmbyrro wrote:
| I also have nothing to complain about AWS paid support
| jen20 wrote:
| The MX-3 started production in 1991, the M3 started
| production in 1986, so if anything BMW would have been suing
| Mazda in this situation ;-)
| dorianmariefr wrote:
| AWS has customer support
| sokoloff wrote:
| Their (paid) Enterprise Support is quite good, in my
| experience.
| Hamuko wrote:
| I've also had good experiences with the paid support when
| a deployment went horribly wrong. However, the support
| costs real money so it's back to Google for us. Luckily
| we're running on EKS now so it's probably easier to
| diagnose without a paid customer support rep than
| CodeDeploy.
| CobrastanJorji wrote:
| Wait until you find out why the giant evil computer is named
| HAL!
| human wrote:
| Everyone knows it's fom << Heuristic Algorithm >> ;)
| mellavora wrote:
| Ive Been Meaning to make that comment
| cronix wrote:
| Judge: What does S3 even stand for?
|
| Amazon: Simple Storage Solutions, sir.
|
| Judge: Ok, and what does R2 stand for?
|
| CF: Uhhh....it's one less than S3, sir.
|
| Judge: Ok, and what does R2D2 stand for?
|
| Lucas: Why am I here?
| Buttons840 wrote:
| If this trend continues, one day they'll pay me to store my data
| on their service. Imagine being paid to generate random hashes
| and store them on the internet. ;)
| dane-pgp wrote:
| Presumably that's a clever joke about cryptocurrencies. It took
| me a while to convince myself that the analogy made sense, and
| I'm not sure how much I appreciate it, but I suppose that slow
| confirmation times and questionable value are to be expected
| when dealing with cryptocurrencies.
| soheil wrote:
| I was really hoping it'd go into unicode characters.
| tyingq wrote:
| I think they should have rubbed it in with E0 == egress is zero.
| tra3 wrote:
| I like how the progress bars moves off screen if you get too
| excited with the button. Point made :)
| blensor wrote:
| Anybody know the logic behind the counter? It sometimes jumps
| over numbers.
| austinpena wrote:
| All of them increase the score by 1 except:
|
| Free Storage!!!!
|
| That increases by 10. I took out the "You Gave Away Too Much
| Free Storage" which was a -20 :P
| mdtancsa wrote:
| With every Click, I heard "Jack Barker's" voice from Silicon
| Valley
| partiallypro wrote:
| Meanwhile Microsoft is just like...let's called it "Blob"
| Hamuko wrote:
| Are you sure it's not Microsoft Azure Blob Storage Solution for
| Enterprise 2020?
| CobrastanJorji wrote:
| Did you mean the NFS one or the S3 one?
| iosjunkie wrote:
| You're missing a 365 in there.
| MikusR wrote:
| Live .net
| ethbr0 wrote:
| They'd already used Bob.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob
| dbt00 wrote:
| I'll never not link this video when it comes to Microsoft
| naming and branding:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k
| elefanten wrote:
| That was fun and a good throwback.
|
| But it was interesting to see in the comments that MS
| actually claimed credit for it:
|
| "It was an internal-only video clip commissioned by our
| packaging [team] to humorously highlight the challenges we
| have faced RE: packaging and to educate marketers here about
| the pitfalls of packaging/branding"
| boynamedsue wrote:
| It's even worse than that because Azure has block blobs, page
| blobs, and append blobs.
| Joker_vD wrote:
| "Xbox One X Series X Service Pack 1 September Refresh CTP
| Preview 3 Update 5a*. I mean, imma buy it, but lord MSFT sucks
| at naming stuff" [0]
|
| "I once worked on the unambiguously named "Microsoft Visual
| Studio .NET Tools For Microsoft Office .NET System 2005". Yes,
| it had "Microsoft" and ".NET" in the name twice. When the name
| was announced we all laughed as we assumed it was a joke. It
| was not." [1]
|
| [0] https://nitter.net/shanselman/status/1205355248715358215
|
| [1] https://nitter.net/ericlippert/status/1205372172534874112
| pjc50 wrote:
| The whole thing is like german agglutinative nouns. Bits of
| product keep piling up, but each one has the most generic
| possible name. But the least forgivable one has to be the
| XBox One X. I hadn't even realised there was an XBox One X
| Series X.
| theandrewbailey wrote:
| Me neither. I thought it was Xbox Series X, not to be
| confused with the Xbox Series S.
|
| https://www.xbox.com/en-US/consoles/xbox-series-x
|
| https://www.xbox.com/en-US/consoles/xbox-series-s
| jmkni wrote:
| _Microsoft Visual Studio .NET Tools For Microsoft Office .NET
| System 2005_ was pretty great at the time, being able to
| automate Excel in C# and not have to use VBA was very nice.
| andybak wrote:
| Microsoft Blob. That has a certain ring to it.
| alvarlagerlof wrote:
| Blob blob blob!
|
| Sorry, what's that Dory?
| qudat wrote:
| Microsoft Loblaw law blog
| schemathings wrote:
| Well logically it's P1 next, right? An AI that takes over the
| world?
| https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1414021.The_Adolescence_...
| mburns wrote:
| The letter before R is Q.
| Banjo911 wrote:
| I need your fedora, your sandals, and your segway.
| ryaan_anthony wrote:
| Is this the new cookie clicker?
| dingosity wrote:
| SUCH SYNERGY! SO PARADIGM!
| CodeWriter23 wrote:
| Though funny (kinda hilarious at A-41 actually) this applet
| misses the point that R2 was chosen because CloudFlare was
| undercutting Amazon in every was possible, including the product
| name.
| bethecloud wrote:
| Decentralized Cloud Storage services, like Storj DCS - are really
| interesting when compared to R2/S3. They are compatible with AWS
| S3, but with better economics than both R2 and S3 (1/10 price of
| amazon) - https://docs.storj.io/dcs/getting-started/quickstart-
| aws-sdk...
| alvarlagerlof wrote:
| Is it worth it to host some disks for this?
| bethecloud wrote:
| Yeah, as long as you have good uptime. Check out
| storj.io/node
| Shtirlic wrote:
| Azure P1 ?
| edoceo wrote:
| O(1)?
|
| Edit: the site didn't make it, I just think the stylized name was
| cool.
|
| O for Object and (1) cause it's fast.
|
| Or it would be. I'm not building it.
| encryptluks2 wrote:
| Q1
| infogulch wrote:
| P0
|
| O-1, On1?
| dotancohen wrote:
| I believe that the Japanese had an airplane with that
| designation once, famous for use in suicide attacks, but I
| cannot find reference to it. Some other models with Zero in
| the name I can find, but not the P-0.
| HPsquared wrote:
| Apparently the Zero was officially the "Navy Type 0
| carrier fighter".
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_A6M_Zero
| munk-a wrote:
| I assume Q1 is just a service called Queen - it excels at
| everything and looks amazing doing it.
| stayfrosty420 wrote:
| this is legit a much better name while also being reductio ad
| absurdum, it also follows the convention (R2 = rapid, reliable,
| S3= simple storage service, O1 = object)
| HPsquared wrote:
| "Order one".. nice subliminal messaging.
| etothepii wrote:
| Wouldn't T4 have been a better name? sure it does create the risk
| of a U5, but prequels are not usually better. (Unless you love
| endless discussion about intergalactic politics).
| breakingcups wrote:
| That's what my NAS is called
| jgrahamc wrote:
| Three years ago I sat in front of a whiteboard with some folks
| and we sketched out the future roadmap for Cloudflare Workers.
| Here's a picture of that whiteboard:
| https://imgur.com/a/nSnrT15
|
| We went with "R2" because it better reflects the fact that we
| want it to be S3 minus one thing: egress fees.
| xwdv wrote:
| Q1 will be R2 minus one thing: storage fees.
| tpetry wrote:
| P0 has already been built: https://devnull-as-a-
| service.com/
| dotancohen wrote:
| I love the filename on their cleanup script "gift to the
| open source community":
|
| https://devnull-as-a-service.com/one-less-to-go.sh
| sudo rm -rf $(sudo find / -type f -print0 | shuf -n1 -z)
| smnrchrds wrote:
| Certainly not in Canada. T4 is the name of employment income
| tax slip here, similar to W-2 in the US.
| jjk166 wrote:
| I imagine most people who complain about intergalactic politics
| in the prequels must have never gotten to the scene in A New
| Hope where people just sit around and discuss the dissolution
| of the galactic senate and the political reordering of the
| galaxy.
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