[HN Gopher] Finally, on CBS, the football matches the business c...
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Finally, on CBS, the football matches the business cards
Author : starmftronajoll
Score : 106 points
Date : 2021-10-03 16:32 UTC (6 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.ological.net)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.ological.net)
| dlbucci wrote:
| Read through this whole thing thinking it was filling the "Block
| & Tackle"-sized hole in my heart, only to realize by the end that
| this was also authored by John Teti! I'm glad he's still doing
| it, cause B&T was weekly reading for me back in the day :)
| wolverine876 wrote:
| You may be happy to click here:
|
| https://www.ological.net/author/john/
| harrydehal wrote:
| _Whatever the other failings of this redesign, the ampersand is a
| winner, a full-bodied, chewy soft pretzel of a thing. I want to
| bite into that ampersand and feel its warm, doughy goodness fill
| the spaces between my teeth._
|
| I enjoyed this fun poke at television UX far more than I enjoy
| watching football. Thanks for sharing!
| geoduck14 wrote:
| >Go on, try to find a more graceful down-and-distance
| ampersand. You can't. That ampersand is a little butler, gently
| pouring you a teacup of chamomile football.
|
| This guy has opinions about ampersands that I didn't know
| someone could have. It was delightful and makes me glad I'm on
| HN.
| HPsquared wrote:
| "Look at that subtle off-white coloring, the tasteful thickness
| of it..."
| mlavin wrote:
| Let's see ESPN get a reservation at Dorsia now!
| Matthias1 wrote:
| I don't agree with a lot of this article. I think the font looks
| excellent, I appreciate coherencies across a brand's design, and
| most of all, I think the purpose of a score indicator over a
| football game is to tell you the score, and get out of the way.
|
| That being said, these are opinions, and I'm glad there's someone
| else who pays attention to the design language used by football
| broadcasters.
| ddek wrote:
| > That being said, these are opinions, and I'm glad there's
| someone else who pays attention to the design language used by
| football broadcasters.
|
| I feel like once you have the knowledge to pay attention to
| design language you are now cursed to do so everywhere. It's
| like the curse of a trained ear - congratulations on being able
| to hear any chord progression, now you can't escape every song
| you ever liked being the same 4 chords over and over again.
| jsjohnst wrote:
| > I feel like once you have the knowledge to pay attention to
| design language you are now cursed to do so everywhere.
|
| For a long time in my career as a software engineer I mostly
| avoided this, but a little over a decade ago I had a designer
| who beat tiny details into everyone on the team. I kinda feel
| like he took away my innocence to some extent, as I can't
| look at fonts, colors, and other design details anymore
| without noticing all the flaws so pervasive all around us.
| bitwize wrote:
| > It's an iPhone 13 sort of update, with no compelling reason to
| exist other than somebody decided it was time for it to exist.
|
| Funny he should mention that, because the CBS graphics look to me
| like Windows 11: flat, seemingly uniform, nicely subtly
| gradiented, but subtly inconsistent in an irritating, pebble-in-
| shoe kind of way.
| cjf4 wrote:
| Anything that moves away from the CBSness is a good thing. Their
| broadcasts have been second rate mediocrities since they've had
| the rights:
|
| - Completely bland theme music.
|
| - Half-witted former QB analysts (other than Romo).
|
| - The worst studio show.
|
| The other networks (particularly NBC) do a way better job.
| listenallyall wrote:
| > Anything that moves away from the CBSness is a good thing
|
| The article's entire point is that the graphics were redesigned
| for more CBS-ness.
| cjf4 wrote:
| The article says the old way was the cbs way (blue colors,
| stay out of the way)
| listenallyall wrote:
| He is lamenting that the football graphics look like
| everything else on the network, that they don't make an
| exception for the spectacle of pro football.
|
| > It just looks like "CBS," because it's the same font the
| network uses to brand its news shows, comedies, and paint-
| by-numbers crime procedurals. The name of that font is TT
| Norms
| VWWHFSfQ wrote:
| * Their studio show is by far the best
|
| * Nantz and Romo are by far the best broadcast crew
|
| * NBC is old hat at this point. Nobody wants to listen to
| Collinsworth anymore
| dylan604 wrote:
| The Manning Bros are interesting
| [deleted]
| throwaway9980 wrote:
| Cris Collinsworth, yes it's spelled Cris, makes me want to
| rend my ears from my skull. Collinsworth and Al Michaels is
| like some kind of perfectly seasoned stew of stupidity worthy
| of Idiocracy. Listening to the two of them I can't help but
| constantly think of the NFL as bread and circuses meant to
| placate a mentally degraded populace.
| mlavin wrote:
| Now here's a guy who can really break down what ruins a
| broadcast crew.
| pubutil wrote:
| This is especially disappointing considering CBS owns what
| seems to be one of the more popular sports statistic suites:
| https://www.statcrew.com/
| listenallyall wrote:
| Why would the quality of the announcers or theme music have
| any influence on an XML feed of straight sports stats
| (specifically designed to avoid editorializing)?
| lilboiluvr69 wrote:
| This article has no right to be as well written as it is.
| geoduck14 wrote:
| I know, right? I hope one day he stumbles on the website for my
| work and does a writeup.
| morley wrote:
| The article has every right to be this good: the writer is John
| Teti, who used to be editor in chief of the AV Club (and hosted
| its short-lived tv show). If you've never read his football
| column Block and Tackle, it's great: and I haven't followed
| football since the mid-90s! https://www.avclub.com/tv/sports
| wolverine876 wrote:
| He has a column:
|
| https://www.ological.net/author/john/
| pests wrote:
| "The vest is a remnant of 19th-century football rules, in which
| this role would have been held by a beekeeper, who tended the
| hive of angry bees used to mark first down."
|
| Is this true? I can't tell if he's being legit here or just
| running with a joke.
| leephillips wrote:
| I often warn people that, no matter how off-the-scale obviously
| ridiculous you think your absurd, satirical jest may be, there
| will, not maybe, not probably, but will definitely be,
| somewhere, someone who takes you literally.
| chrisrogers wrote:
| It's a joke about the uniform
| [deleted]
| JaggerFoo wrote:
| What about possession of the ball? Only Fox seems to show this
| with a dot next to a teams score. I often glance at the score box
| when busy, but have wait to see which team takes possession to
| know the current state of the game before I can continue my busy
| work away from the TV.
| mod wrote:
| From the article:
|
| > Amid its grandeur, NBC also maintains touches of subtlety--
| such as the tiny possession indicator above each team's score
|
| In later CBS screenshots, you can see it indicated sometimes.
| When it shows "3rd & 7", that box will be filled with the team
| color of the team in possession. It's not a permanent box,
| though.
| mulmen wrote:
| Why don't any of these score displays show the _field position_?
| It 's 3rd and 8 but are we in field goal range? Gotta wait for a
| camera angle that shows the field.
| listenallyall wrote:
| a) because "field goal range" is subjective and differs among
| kickers
|
| b) the football field is extremely well-marked to easily
| determine the field position
| xzel wrote:
| They often have line indicators to show field goal range. I'm
| not sure if that's specific one broadcaster. I agree field
| position would be handy.
| handmodel wrote:
| I personally like it as is. When the ball snaps you can see the
| yardline and they do usually put up a field goal line when its
| appropriate. I feel like for whatever value it adds being on
| the bottom it ultimately clutters things more.
| raldi wrote:
| Similarly, if it's "3rd & GOAL", how much farther is there to
| go? Nine and a half yards? Three inches?
| gremIin wrote:
| Broadcasts often have something like "3rd & Goal. Ball at opp
| 6" or "1st & 10. Ball at own 25".
| jancsika wrote:
| They probably change to "3rd & Inches" when it's less than a
| yard.
| jancsika wrote:
| However, you'd have to know that "Inches" is a possibility
| to deduce that "GOAL" is more than mere inches to go.
|
| I'll summon my FOSS-based knowledge of UX to suggest a
| change:
|
| Change "3rd & GOAL" to "3rd -g --ONLY_INCHES_TO_GO=NULL"
| and "3rd & INCHES" to "3rd -g --ONLY_INCHES_TO_GO=4"
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