[HN Gopher] Armenia's Warrior Queen
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Armenia's Warrior Queen
Author : Thevet
Score : 21 points
Date : 2021-09-26 05:39 UTC (17 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.historytoday.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.historytoday.com)
| 0xBABAD00C wrote:
| A few clarifications for those who care: the name is pronounced
| Parandzem (not P'aranjem) -- both in old and modern Armenian.
| This queen is very well known in modern Armenia and lots of women
| still carry her name. It is falling out of favor with the new
| generations due to being tough to pronounce and
| "internationalize", but she is certainly a celebrated person in
| Armenian history.
| <https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/people/?keywords=par...>
|
| The first paragraph of the article refers to the highly
| controversial "Erato" all-women detachment, which was a blatant
| PR stunt on the part of the current PM's wife (who also runs
| massive "charities" that local oligarchs have to volunteer funds
| to in order to stay in favor with the regime, among other fun
| activities). It's a bit "apples and oranges" to compare a vacuous
| PR move by the prime-minister's family with actual warrior-queens
| of the past.
|
| Also, here's another interesting Armenian queen, who ruled in the
| medieval Cilician Armenia on the Mediterranean coast:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella,_Queen_of_Armenia
| abrowne wrote:
| > _the name is pronounced Parandzem (not P 'aranjem)_
|
| Even with the same pronunciation, the spelling depends on the
| chosen romanization scheme:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Armenian
|
| (Based on the table in that article, I think "P'aranjem" is
| using the ISO 9985 scheme.)
| 0xBABAD00C wrote:
| I mean, I've never seen an English speaker pronounce 'j' as
| 'dz', but the Armenian letter dz is pronounced exactly like
| 'dz' and never like 'j'. So, dare I say, ISO 9985 is wrong?
| abrowne wrote:
| The goal of a romanization isn't always to represent the
| pronunciation in English. They may have other goals, like a
| one-to-one mapping of letters between alphabets or
| something. English doesn't pronounce 'q' like 'ch' or 'c'
| like 'ts' but that's more or less what they represent in
| pinyin.
|
| So I agree you are right about the pronunciation. I just
| don't think the article claimed they were spelling it
| phonetically for English.
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| telesilla wrote:
| >Why are medieval women largely absent from current discussions
| of Armenia's past?
|
| Female warriors and rulers are largely absent from history in
| general! Or, misrepresented.
|
| The Queens of Infamy project is a great resource:
| https://longreads.com/tag/queens-of-infamy
| newsclues wrote:
| The Queen of England is hardly unknown.
| 1cvmask wrote:
| Funnily enough Queen Sheba is missing from that list:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Sheba
| JoeAltmaier wrote:
| E.g. marginalizing women historically: Florence Nightingale was
| an administrator and empirical scientist, in charge of various
| nursing organizations for her entire career. How is she
| remembered? "That nice nurse lady that cared for our troops",
| often pictured out in a tent on the battlefield. No, she was not
| an individual caretaker; she was a competent head of major
| organizations and revolutionized the way nursing is done.
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