[HN Gopher] Copyright claims on YouTube Bach videos
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       Copyright claims on YouTube Bach videos
        
       Author : cunidev
       Score  : 19 points
       Date   : 2021-09-25 22:17 UTC (43 minutes ago)
        
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       | diego wrote:
       | Nothing to see here. These performances are from 1984, which
       | means that the recording companies that own their copyright have
       | the right to block them in the US and other countries.
        
       | 1915cb1f wrote:
       | Well, if the uploader's using copyrighted recordings rather than
       | a midi or performing the pieces themself or using a more
       | liberally licensed recording, it is understandable. Bach's pieces
       | may be free but musicians' performances of them aren't.
        
         | cunidev wrote:
         | I am not sure of the example that this video pointed out in
         | particular, but most others seem to have "Public Domain
         | Compositions" of many sorts as the "music in the video" tagged
         | by YouTube.
         | 
         | While I agree that it lacks some context, it seems like smaller
         | mislabeled clips were the source of this "violation" rather
         | than the usage of whole copyrighted clips.
        
         | azalemeth wrote:
         | Youtube is _filled_ with classical musicians getting shafted by
         | this, from amateur ensembles to semi-pros and even some
         | professional groups getting silenced or defunded by these
         | algos. The trouble is that Bach played well sounds like...well,
         | Bach. If you're not "the first owner" of the copyright (and a
         | big music company), you tend to get screwed financially (and
         | the big companies do a LOT of screwing). YT's algorithms are
         | designed to detect "I took this whole TV show up a tone in
         | pitch and put a fake pair of curtains on the front to evade
         | content ID". The Bach _will_ sound  "the same" to a copyright
         | algorithm.
         | 
         | I only listen to classical music, and I've noticed that where
         | YT used to once be a great source of legally-free brilliant
         | performances (often with scores!) it's been going downhill and
         | I've slowly been redirected to copyrighted Big Media recordings
         | of old classics (which usually I do not prefer).
        
         | klyrs wrote:
         | My mom got bitten by this. After my dad died, she uploaded him
         | playing his violin with a baby on his lap. The music is in
         | public domain, and it was demonstrably an original recording of
         | a (sorry, dad) rank amateur. It got blocked so fast that my
         | adult cousin, the baby in the video, couldn't watch it. This
         | isn't understandable, it's ridiculous overreach.
        
       | rsuelzer wrote:
       | Doesn't youtube have an option to allow the copyright holders to
       | monetize the videos in these cases? i.e. Get a cut of the AdSense
       | revenue that would otherwise go to the uploader? Did this user
       | choose not to split that revenue and instead opt to take down the
       | videos, or did the record label force the takedown? It seems to
       | me that it would be interest of the record label to take a cut of
       | the profits off of recordings that would otherwise not make them
       | a dime.
        
       | barelysapient wrote:
       | Seems like a great class action lawsuit waiting to happen.
        
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