[HN Gopher] Show HN: Resume maker with no sign-up or subscription
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Show HN: Resume maker with no sign-up or subscription
Author : tofukid
Score : 102 points
Date : 2021-09-23 10:28 UTC (12 hours ago)
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| kleiba wrote:
| Great work. Are you planning to offer more than one design to
| choose from?
| tofukid wrote:
| In the future I might add multiple designs/templates.
| 0xfaded wrote:
| As a technical person who hires people occasionally, the one
| guaranteed thing that will make me read a resume is LaTeX. I
| dislike profile pictures because it causes me to have unavoidable
| bias.
|
| Just a data point
| hpfr wrote:
| This validates my LaTeX usage, but honestly, can't you only
| detect it if I'm using Computer Modern? I am, precisely because
| of people like you, but I don't think you could tell a XeTeX-
| built resume with a Unicode font from one done in Word. And
| conversely a Word user could simply download CM Unicode and
| reap the LaTeX bonus points, no? :)
| 0xfaded wrote:
| I include \latex in my resume under "skills" for this reason.
| But I agree, it's hard to tell.
| creshal wrote:
| Isn't it even illegal to have pictures in some countries,
| precisely to avoid such biases?
| rajin444 wrote:
| > it causes me to have unavoidable bias.
|
| Admitting you're susceptible to bias is one thing (we all are,
| I think). Calling it unavoidable makes it seem like something
| innate and implies you lack free will. I'm curious why you see
| it as unavoidable.
| throwawayboise wrote:
| Our biases are inherent from millions of years of evolution
| that gave us the ability to look at another person and
| instantly form a perception "this person is of my tribe" or
| "this person is an outsider."
|
| It must have had a valuable survival benefit when we were
| hunter-gatherers but probably not so much today.
| SamBam wrote:
| It's honestly very self-aware to accept that there are some
| biases that are very hard to control, or even realize you're
| being influenced by, and so try to avoid being influenced at
| all be putting barriers between you and them, like preferring
| no photos.
|
| I think it's fairly self-deluding to simply think you can
| choose not to let an unconscious bias influence you.
| z3ncyberpunk wrote:
| Its more sad to watch your display of learned helplessness.
| lostcolony wrote:
| Extremely self-deluding.
|
| Because once you accept you are susceptible to a bias, and
| you know that a person fits that bias, -what do you do-?
| You can ask "if this person was (not this bias) what would
| I do", but -can you be sure-? Do you have an exactly
| equivalent data point to compare against? Of course not;
| everyone is a bit unique. Can you be certain, if you pass
| on the person, it was due solely to the heuristics you've
| built up around resume and etc, and not you reinterpreting
| them through your bias? Can you be certain, if you hire a
| person, it was solely due to the heuristics you've built up
| around resume and etc, and not you overcompensating to try
| and account for your bias?
|
| It's going to influence you. It -may- not change the
| outcome, but if you aren't concerned about that, no matter
| what steps you take, then you're deluding yourself.
| nickysielicki wrote:
| As someone who has applied for a lot of jobs in the past year
| and loves TeX, it's a bad idea for applicants. Greenhouse
| consistently pulls data incorrectly from resumes made in TeX
| and this puts you at a huge disadvantage within a pool of
| applicants. My response rate went up massively as soon as I
| abandoned my well-crafted TeX resume and went to a bare-bones
| resume made in Apple Pages.
| trutannus wrote:
| Sometimes not even an commonly talked about bias like race or
| gender. It can be as simple as "this person looks annoying".
| notsureaboutpg wrote:
| Seems like LaTeX also gives you unavoidable bias.
|
| Also, you can avoid racial bias, it's not something impossible
| to remove. Your workplace should have standards which eliminate
| racial bias and not rely on people to not have implicit bias.
| tofukid wrote:
| Author here. I made this using Haskell for the web server, and
| Preact for the JavaScript. The resume is converted to PDF by
| translating HTML into canvas and using JSPDF to turn the canvas
| into a PDF. Hosted on Linode. Cached with CloudFlare.
| core-utility wrote:
| Do you have any plans to open source this? I love the function
| and have always wished something like this exists. I have my
| own dumb opinions on resumes like format and multiple pages, so
| I'd like to be able to tweak the design a bit.
| vishnuharidas wrote:
| Nice tool. If possible add a collection of random data to
| generate a random resume so that people can see a real resume
| before filling out their actual personal data.
| pininja wrote:
| This is neat! What was your experience like using this stack?
| Were any of these first-time or learning-oriented (rather than
| comfort) choices?
| nickjj wrote:
| If you ever wanted to chat more about how you built and deploy
| your app I'd love to have you on my podcast at
| https://runninginproduction.com/.
|
| There's 0 Haskell episodes so far, you'd be the first one!
| bredren wrote:
| I enjoy your podcast.
| metalliqaz wrote:
| Not sure what is going on in the hiring world, since I have been
| in the same job for a long time, but there seems to be a
| misalignment about the proper length of a resume.
|
| This app suggests to keep it to one page. When I've been involved
| in hiring new people, the resumes that get attention are the ones
| with detailed descriptions of project experience. They are 3 or 4
| pages long. The managers want something to read because the
| candidates without adequate education and/or experience for the
| posted position will not make it into their hands.
|
| In my field (computer engineer), the "short" description that
| matters is 1 line: masters degree, 15 years experience, security
| clearance, not a diversity hire.
|
| After that, they want deep detail about skills.
| Noumenon72 wrote:
| Are you from Europe perhaps? Or do the skillsets in your field
| stay relevant longer?
| [deleted]
| rozularen wrote:
| this makes contrast with every other opinion I've ever heard
| about keeping the CV short and clean
| blowski wrote:
| There is a certain niche that's impressed by a long CV, but
| it's not he kind of niche I'd want to impress. They're people
| who say things like "look how many versions of PHP he can
| use. And he knows how to use The Linux!".
| metalliqaz wrote:
| That's why I bring it up.
|
| I'm sure it's important for the first page to be concise and
| eye-catching. But why would more info be bad?
| yamazakiwi wrote:
| Many hiring managers don't look at resumes longer than 6
| seconds. More information is not necessarily better and
| arguably worse for competitive job openings.
| ryandrake wrote:
| I religiously keep mine to 1 page, and even shorter if
| possible. Imagine your potential interviewer. He or she is
| booked in back-to-back meetings all day. Has not a lot of time
| to prepare. In the 2 minutes between his last meeting and your
| interview, he scrambles to print off a copy of your resume and
| give it a quick review. His eyeballs scan the top of the page
| for interesting "headline" material, and then maybe look at the
| first two or three bullet points from your most recent
| employer. That might be it! All that labor you put into that
| detailed technical info on page 4 might not even make it out of
| the printer, let alone get into your interviewer's head. The
| only person who is likely to read all four pages is your hiring
| manager, and if by page 3 it's just a bunch of technologies you
| used in a now-defunct company back in 1996, it's not going to
| impress anyone.
|
| Additionally, the ability to summarize a highly technical and
| detailed topic down to a very short "executive review" is an
| important and sought-after job skill. Keep it short and include
| only the best results of your work.
| metalliqaz wrote:
| To be clear, "not a diversity hire" above is not intended to be
| a positive attribute.
| always_left wrote:
| I've always kept it short. I try to summarize things I've done
| to a high level (the impact and what tools I used). If a bullet
| point stands out to an interviewer they can ask more during.
| xyzelement wrote:
| Your post got a variety of responses. My take as someone who
| did hiring (as a manager) for a high profile tech company for
| 10+ years (not a FAANG but we competed with FAANGs for talent.)
| I've probably seen close to ten thousand programmer resumes
| over that time.
|
| My big advice is not to take resume length guidelines
| literally. Crafting a resume requires balancing terseness and
| completeness. Terseness out respect for the reader,
| completeness to ensure your candidacy is well represented.
|
| It is an art to capture your essence concisely. Someone in the
| thread said they only list the company and the tools they use,
| which to me is a huge mistake. If you just say something like
| "Developed in Node, React, CSS" you give the reader no idea of
| your actual contribution. It could mean "made tweaks to
| existing system based on explicit direction from a product
| person" or it could mean "Drove re-design of the system in
| these technologies, achieving X improvement in performance, Y
| improvement in maintenance cost. Partnered with business SMEs
| to develop requirements, and ensured high technical standards
| on the team." The second is a much more senior/desirable
| candidate and if you are that but don't capture these ideas in
| your resume, you won't stand out.
|
| On the other hand I have seen resumes where each job has a
| half-a-page narrative description. Almost universally, these
| descriptions are actually filled with job/company specific
| terms that are totally meaningless to anyone outside of that
| company. I am strongly biased to not hire anyone with such a
| resume because it's a sign that the person's communication
| ability/relevance filter is low.
|
| Anyway, as a practical guide, I do advise people to shoot for a
| terse 1 or max 2 page resume, BUT if you find yourself cutting
| out really important points to fit the space, then don't do
| that.
| pfranz wrote:
| I may not be representative, but I tend to keep it to a page or
| maybe two. You can fit a lot of info into a page and the 3+
| page resumes I've seen have been way too dense. For me it's not
| an exhaustive list of work history and tasks, but things
| applicable to the new role. Ideally, I'd restate the job
| requirements (which is, what, usually a paragraph or 4-5 bullet
| points?) using my work history.
|
| I often find the just degree too vague and job titles aren't
| representative. So if you filled the page with that info I find
| that isn't helpful, either.
| shoto_io wrote:
| Great tool! What's your business model though?
|
| Collecting data comes to mind first. If it's not the case, I
| would recommend to say this explicitly on the page somewhere.
| tofukid wrote:
| There's a paid download option which has no watermark at the
| bottom of the resume.
| metalliqaz wrote:
| I had the exact same thought. Decided not to fill in with any
| PII for that reason.
| quaintdev wrote:
| I disconnected Internet to see if it would still generate the
| resume. It renders on client side so preview is fine but I
| can't download the resume.
|
| I really loved the design but I don't want to keep resume on
| the site forever so I am afraid I will not be using this even
| though I really want to.
| catchmeifyoucan wrote:
| This looks absolutely solid, nice work. Super easy to build. Only
| reason I use latex is for formatting and crappy word indents,
| this solves that problem.
|
| Would be great with a few more templates, and some way to
| "pazzazify" each one. Maybe a little streak of color.
|
| I did not realize you were hosting the resume as well.
| jibbers wrote:
| This looks like a solid tool. Love that there is no mandatory
| account creation. A couple tiny constructive criticisms:
|
| + All instances of "resume" should be "resume" or at least
| "resume".
|
| + Maybe add some help formatting phone numbers to the one true
| format of (###) ###-####.
|
| + Finally maybe consider adding color to the most important
| buttons, like the Save buttons, so people's eyes are drawn to
| them
| lost-found wrote:
| Two column resumes are not ideal since a lot of (shitty) resume
| scanners can't figure them out.
| esseeayen wrote:
| Can you link it to LinkedIn?
| tofukid wrote:
| Do you mean generate it based on a LinkedIn profile? That's
| something I may add in the future. I don't use LinkedIn, I
| thought they already have a resume generator, is that true?
| mikepurvis wrote:
| Yes, LinkedIn has a resume builder: https://www.linkedin.com/
| help/linkedin/answer/94034/linkedin...
|
| I may just lack imagination, but I am struggling a bit to see
| the niche for the linked tool vs using LinkedIn (lower
| effort, consumes existing data) or a downloadable template
| (high/same effort, but more customizable and no leaked PII).
| pfranz wrote:
| I use LinkedIn as a memory dump for job history and to keep
| tabs on old co-workers, but I actively try to avoid it
| otherwise. I didn't know they had a resume builder and
| wouldn't have looked, but it makes sense to have one. Even
| knowing they have one I'd be very interested to actually
| build my resume outside of it, but I don't know how
| representative I am.
| qsort wrote:
| Honestly, it fills the niche of not being LinkedIn.
|
| LinkedIn is by far the worst user experience of any website
| or application I have ever used, one of the few that
| deserves the distinction of being _both_ morally _and_
| technically broken. Not everyone is as drastic as I am, but
| in my circle it 's universally disliked.
| dantodor wrote:
| Cool idea, I suggest you add some disclaimer about data policy.
| My first thought on the landing page was "neat way to gather some
| personal data" :D
| [deleted]
| robbiejs wrote:
| I like it. Very to-the-point.
|
| One thing that annoys me is when I click "Job #5" it expands a
| new form and jumps to it immediately. It is very confusing. For
| me it would be better if the whole form was expanded at all
| times. Then I can just scroll up and down and know what I am
| editing. Same thing when I click "+ Education", it takes me out
| of the flow.
|
| Good job.
| tofukid wrote:
| Thanks for the feedback. I think that's a good point. One
| reason I have collapsible work/education is being able to
| reorder them.
| robbiejs wrote:
| Ah I see. You could still offer re-ordering even when sub-
| forms are expanded. The sub-forms are not that tall if I am
| correct.
|
| Perhaps add outlines/borders around sub forms, so that users
| know what they belong to.
|
| I know the page looks fresh & clean now, but it takes away
| from user friendliness IMHO. Anyway, just my 2c :-)
| mccolin wrote:
| This is a slick tool. I like how the thumbnail and PDF preview is
| live updating with changes.
|
| It'd be a really nice addition if the tool could output the
| resume data in other supporting formats (plain text, Markdown,
| JSON, etc.)
| meigwilym wrote:
| "Get hired" are you offering something beyond formatting a
| resume? Is this strictly a paid-for resume formatter?
| tofukid wrote:
| It's just a resume maker. Good to know that's confusing, I'll
| think about making the language more clear.
| luke2m wrote:
| Down?
| tofukid wrote:
| I don't think so. Do you have trouble accessing it? The whole
| thing is cached with CloudFlare.
| nicholasjarnold wrote:
| Looks good! An alternative is https://resumake.io/, which also
| allows one to export and then later import the JSON which defines
| the resume.
| busymom0 wrote:
| Here's another alternative which I built. The exported pdf is
| text based and thus optimized for resume scanning softwares
| used by companies.
|
| https://resumetopdf.com/
| quaintdev wrote:
| Do you guys store information on backend and if you do, how
| long?
| busymom0 wrote:
| No I don't.
|
| Privacy policy TL;DR
|
| We DO NOT collect your resume data and it NEVER leaves your
| device. The service DOES NOT contain ads, trackers and
| other such garbage.
|
| https://resumetopdf.com/privacypolicy.html
| moneywoes wrote:
| Is it possible to download it in word doc format?
| tofukid wrote:
| Just PDF for now. I hope to offer Word format in the future.
| notjustanymike wrote:
| Photos on resumes are never a good idea. They introduce so much
| possibly for bias, both intentional and unintentional, while
| adding very little benefit. They also don't print well and don't
| look good unless you've got a pro shot.
|
| Resumes aren't memorable when there's a picture but rather when
| they are well written.
| jldl805 wrote:
| This is true. In fact many larger companies will automatically
| delete any resume with a photo, regardless of your fit for the
| role.
|
| This is because they'd like to avoid any liability for any kind
| of bias, so they make it an across-the-board policy.
|
| Source: I'm a recruiter and have worked with over 400
| companies, of which about 20 have this policy.
| Traubenfuchs wrote:
| If you are good looking, they are a very good idea.
|
| If you old and look younger than you are, they are an even
| better idea since they distract from your age.
| 41209 wrote:
| On LinkedIn photos really should be removed as well, you're
| correct about bias. I don't put a photo on LinkedIn, and I
| don't think anyone should. You do not need to know anything
| about my physical appearance when I'm applying for jobs. This
| is in sharp contrast to certain countries where you're supposed
| to take the most attractive photo you can to send it with your
| resume. I swear to God some of these resumes look more like
| personal ads.
|
| LinkedIn is still my go-to resource for job hunting, but I want
| to vomit a bit when I see people trying to turn it into
| Facebook. Get your validation somewhere else, and let me have a
| website where I can look for a job.
| adoxyz wrote:
| Aren't resumes technically personal ads?
| spookthesunset wrote:
| LinkedIn is in a weird place. It's half a networking tool and
| half a recruiting tool. In my opinion photos are fine for
| networking but should be verboten for hiring and recruiting.
|
| In truth, I really don't know what to think about photos for
| LinkedIn. Both sides of the argument are compelling.
| cvhashim wrote:
| Brag as much as you can in your resume. Never be humble.
| nautilius wrote:
| Depends very much on the country. With a photo, in some, your
| resume will immediately thrown out to avoid any repercussions
| for a possible bias that did not lead to hiring. In others,
| without a photo, your resume will not be read.
| the-dude wrote:
| I am very pretty.
| gozzoo wrote:
| This can be advantage or disadvantage depending on who is
| looking. Either way you add more uncertanty by having photo
| on your CV.
| xeromal wrote:
| I remember one time some person included a photo on their
| resume and it was passed around the office with everyone
| laughing. The photo wasn't even bad. It was just funny to have
| a photo on the resume.
| deelowe wrote:
| It really depends. If you're attractive and certain beneficial
| information can be gleaned from your resume (e.g. things that
| recruiters are measured on come performance review time), I can
| certainly see it helping.
| BrandoElFollito wrote:
| > Photos on resumes are never a good idea
|
| Except when they are the standard in a culture other than
| yours. A CV without a picture in France is a bit suspect and it
| will leave the feeling of something incomplete.
|
| When you search for "photo cv" in French, you will see a lot of
| sites that start with claiming that the photo is not
| compulsory, cannot be required and that the lack of a photo
| cannot be a reason not to assess your CV. Just this shows that
| the reality is that it is expected.
|
| A lot of discussions is around discrimination. If your name
| sounds [put your most feared origin here], you can hide the
| picture as much as possible but this will not make a 12th
| generation Brittany-ion (no idea how someone from the Brittany
| region is called).
|
| Then there is the address which also reveals a lot and at the
| end of the day the fact that you did not put a picture is
| likely to be against you.
| nicoburns wrote:
| Someone from Brittany is a Breton
| peakaboo wrote:
| That's life my friend. Anything you do that sticks out from
| the other sheeps will make some people wonder about you.
|
| Personally I'm fine with that since my end goal in life is
| not about bending over for others to gain advantages or avoid
| disadvantages.
|
| I never use Web cam at work for example. I'm usually the only
| person not on camera in phone conferences. I'm sure it's a
| disadvantage but I'm somehow still doing fine. :)
| sofixa wrote:
| Address isn't mandatory either.
|
| As a matter of fact, photos are getting less and less common
| on CV's in France.
| xyzelement wrote:
| To play Devil's advocate, are they _really_ never a good idea?
| I agree with your logic about bias but bias can cut both ways.
| If someone 's look tends to help them get hired why wouldn't
| they play that card?
|
| I don't have a photo on my resume and have never seen one used
| in the US, but my LinkedIn photo (which I assume everyone
| involved in hiring sees) is carefully chosen to represent the
| mix of attributes (friendlynes, confidence, curiosity, and many
| others) that I think are relevant for roles I go after. Surely
| my photo also 'reveals' my enthinicy and gender - but my name
| does too.
| ngngngng wrote:
| It's pretty tough to predict which way that's going to go.
| I'm positive I've been immediately rejected from jobs because
| I'm a white guy that went to BYU and that's pretty clear on
| my resume, but there are probably other jobs where that would
| help me out.
| prionassembly wrote:
| I know forum comments are throwaways and mean nothing mean
| here -- but if you're job hunting with a resume you might be
| judged by spelling and you have a mangling pattern to your
| spelling of "friendliness" that, if replicated elsewhere,
| could be making you look bad.
| brownguy2 wrote:
| If I was white, I would definitely put my photo on my resume.
| But I'm not.
|
| I'm a senior executive with impeccable credentials: top 1
| bank, top 3 engineering school, ivy league undergrad,
| executive at Series A firm. top notch names on my resume.
|
| Except on LinkedIn, the majority of inbounds i get are
| recruiters trying to get me to join in as entry level. I'm
| not speaking about mass-mailings, i'm speaking about entire
| screening conversations where they are telling me about this
| "promising" entry level role. Occasionally, i'll get a good
| recruiter pitching me a VP or CTO role (as I would expect)
| but these are rare.
|
| My white friends say they are constantly pitched with VP and
| Director roles.
| zdragnar wrote:
| As a counter-anecdote, I haven't held a job with a title
| including anything less than "senior" in 10 years, have
| worked for both startups and companies with very
| recognizable names, and at least half of the recruiter
| requests are for entry level positions.
|
| I have only once been pitched a position that was
| equivalent or higher than my highest sounding job title,
| and the recruiter responded with "Sorry, we reached out to
| you by mistake."
| KennyBlanken wrote:
| There are also countries and industries where a photo is
| anywhere from expected to required.
|
| I had a lawyer friend who said that photos were expected on
| resumes and websites, something she hated despite the fact
| that she felt she benefited from it. Part of it is that firms
| and clients want to see a professional image, but yeah, it
| also brings in all the usual gender/age/ethnic biases.
|
| To answer "why wouldn't they play that card" - plenty of
| women know their looks/gender might get them in the door when
| it wouldn't otherwise, and feel like imposters _even if they
| are highly qualified and a great match for the position_.
|
| They may want to work at the kind of company that hires them
| because of their accomplishments, not one that says "oh, we
| need more women." One reason: a company that hired them
| because they were a woman may have done so just to fill a
| quota and there's no genuine interest in them succeeding and
| advancing...whereas another employer might see their talent
| and work to help them succeed. Or a company that hires just
| to fill quotas might put women in positions they aren't
| actually qualified for. Etc.
| downwithbgp wrote:
| To add, it's common to see a headshot in an acting resume.
| 908B64B197 wrote:
| > not one that says "oh, we need more women."
|
| First time I heard about "minority quotas" I just didn't
| believe it. But then YouTube got sued for doing exactly
| that [0]
|
| Do quotas actually help minorities? To me it sends the
| signal that everyone from a top N school who is a white or
| asian male is here because he's qualified. The others who
| knows? Maybe the recruiter was so close to hitting his
| incentive that he lowered the bar.
|
| [0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtube-hiring-for-some-
| positio...
| rismach wrote:
| I do think that photos on resumes vary in some countries. Some
| countries prefer photos, but others don't. But I agree with you
| that they don't print well and don't look good.
| notsureaboutpg wrote:
| I don't agree. If you are good-looking you should go for it.
|
| It's not the job applicant's job to eliminate bias. Countless
| studies show that looking sharp matters, in the workplace, over
| zoom, in interviews, in personal contacts with friends and
| family, etc. Your photo is going to be on your id badge, your
| profile at work, your social media profiles, your Github, etc.
| Why not on your resume?
|
| Racial bias based on photos is something THE EMPLOYER needs to
| fix with standards, metrics, and quotas, etc. It's not meant to
| be something to coerce everyone into no longer showing their
| faces in the workplace.
| kleiba wrote:
| This is very dependent on the country / culture.
|
| In Germany, for example, a resume without a photo will most
| likely not even get considered.
| searchableguy wrote:
| Why do they require a photo in the resume?
|
| I'm curious about the reason.
| kleiba wrote:
| They just want to know whom they're dealing with. And I
| don't think it's such a big deal because once they invite
| you to an interview, they will know what you look like
| anyway.
| spookthesunset wrote:
| It is a big deal. How you look has absolutely nothing to
| do with how you'll perform at a job. Photos only enable
| discrimination, there really is no other purpose.
| SamBam wrote:
| It is a big deal, though. Getting to the interview is the
| first hurdle.
|
| There have been several variations of a famous study
| where they sent identical resumes to hundreds of
| companies, with the single change that there was a
| stereotypical "white" name vs "Black" name at the top.
|
| The studies consistently find that the "white" names get
| far more call backs.
|
| Granted, those studies were in the US, but I'd be very
| surprised if a similar effect did not show up in most
| European countries.
| kleiba wrote:
| Note that these studies were done with resumes _without_
| photos. You don 't need a picture to be biased.
| SamBam wrote:
| Right, exactly. The name alone was enough.
| ktkoffroth wrote:
| Who says the picture would have the same affect? What if
| it turns out there's less racial bias when a picture is
| added?
| SamBam wrote:
| While it's worth pointing out the limits of our
| knowledge, I wonder why you appear to think it's just as
| likely that the photo will eliminate the racial bias? If
| studies have shown that a black-sounding name means fewer
| jobs, I would think the default hypothesis, until proven
| otherwise, would be that a black photo would result in
| the same ends.
|
| Thinking that it might as well go the other way seems to
| imply that there's just something weird about names, and
| that people don't _really_ have racial biases. But this
| charitable view of the world has been shown false time
| and again.
|
| In any case, a version of the study with live people,
| instead of photos, has also been done, and, not
| surprisingly, shown the same result:
|
| > Other studies have also examined race and employment.
| In a 2009 study, Devah Pager, Bruce Western and Bart
| Bonikowski, all now sociologists at Harvard, sent actual
| people to apply for low-wage jobs. They were given
| identical resumes and similar interview training. Their
| sobering finding was that African-American applicants
| with no criminal record were offered jobs at a rate as
| low as white applicants who had criminal records.
|
| https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/upshot/the-measuring-
| stic...
| xyzelement wrote:
| This is a really good point, one I hadn't throught about.
| What if the name creates a bias because it conjures up an
| image that is nothing like the person - while their
| picture "undoes" that.
|
| Not saying I necessarily believe that happens, but I
| really appreciate the logic of your point/question.
| [deleted]
| z3ncyberpunk wrote:
| Always beware 'studies' and 'experts'...
| Cenk wrote:
| Yep, they did studies in Germany with German sounding
| names and Turkish sounding names:
| https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/2010-02/studie-bewerber-
| aus...
| systemvoltage wrote:
| It's also not just race but beautiful people, especially
| with symmetric facial features are subconscious biases
| that presumably plays a role. I don't know if there are
| studies around this, I'd bet there would be a huge bias.
|
| Photos are completely unnecessary and mostly nuisance
| IMO.
| the-dude wrote:
| And they can skip your resume if they don't like your
| looks or skintone.
| kleiba wrote:
| If that were the case, getting to the interview phase
| wouldn't provide you much benefit anyway.
| 0xdeadb00f wrote:
| True. But sometimes one person looks over resumes and
| different people, or a couple people, handle the
| interview itself.
| petsormeat wrote:
| Or your age: https://www.psychnewsdaily.com/older-job-
| seekers-on-linkedin...
| ma2rten wrote:
| You are asking the wrong question. They expect it because
| it's the norm in Germany. Human is psychology is such that
| a resume with a photo is just more memorable, so it became
| the norm because applicants do it. Bias is less of a
| concern in a country that is historically more homogeneous.
| lhorie wrote:
| As someone with experience on the hiring side, I occasionally
| help newbies by providing reviews of their
| resumes/portfolios. I typically tell them to drop photos
| because that's the norm here in North America, but if I had
| to generalize, my advice would be to follow the norms of the
| country/city where you are applying.
|
| The rationale is simple and pragmatic: employers want to find
| the gold nuggets, but snowflake resumes scream lack of
| experience and can easily be filtered out in early stages of
| the funnel.
|
| Inexperienced people often make these intricate resumes w/
| fancy templates, but all that tells me is they're fluffing it
| up to compensate for lack of content - sometimes in a quest
| for beauty, they don't even spell out their contact
| information!
|
| My advice to those people is to go talk to a recruiting
| agency or a local job board. They can help find and correct
| all of those faux-pas, catered to the local market
| expectations.
| kevin_thibedeau wrote:
| > they don't even spell out their contact information!
|
| I suffered with 10 years of Indian recruiter spam in my
| voicemail. They're never getting my phone again.
| lmarcos wrote:
| Not in IT, though.
| dolel22 wrote:
| I've lived in Germany for 7 years and never once have I added
| a picture to my resume. It's been no trouble in getting
| interviews and job offers. I work in tech though. So the
| experience could vary depending on your industry
| jollybean wrote:
| They are an advantage if you think your physical appearance
| will be an advantage.
|
| If you are the same 'colour' as the place your applying to
| (i.e. if that's relevant) it might help.
|
| If you are physically attractive (but not too attractive) - it
| can help.
|
| Basically - it allows a kind of discrimination which usually we
| don't want ... unless you think you're going to be on the
| positive end of that!
|
| And I beg to disagree with 'memorable' - we are designed to
| remember faces - not resumes.
|
| While maybe not so 'impressionable' - a nice photo definitely
| helps the memory.
|
| It also adds a human connection.
|
| For technical roles, it might not make much of a difference but
| for almost all non-technical roles, it will probably help if
| you have a 'charismatic face'.
| nacraft wrote:
| Nice UI but the generated PDF is an image?! That's not a good
| idea... the resume parsers won't be able to parse that.
| vmception wrote:
| Be nice if a service like this allowed us to keep all the
| responses as meta data so that we can auto-fill every recruiters
| and job application site's fields automatically with our pre-
| existing answers.
|
| I'm sure there is a browser extension somewhere that does this.
|
| "Thanks for uploading your resume! Now forget we ever asked and
| fill all the same details out for us again!"
| sparsely wrote:
| Very clean, nice work!
|
| My main feedback would be to make the photo optional - it's quite
| culture and job dependent whether a photo is included on a CV.
| tofukid wrote:
| It is optional, if you start filling out the form it will go
| away until you add a photo. That's not very clear though, so
| I'll make it more obvious. Thanks for the feedback.
| sparsely wrote:
| I noticed this after commenting, but was a bit confused at
| first!
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