[HN Gopher] Adguard Letter of Support to Quad9
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Adguard Letter of Support to Quad9
Author : NmAmDa
Score : 49 points
Date : 2021-09-20 20:05 UTC (2 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (adguard.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (adguard.com)
| CivBase wrote:
| > Hamburg Germany court (310 O 99/21) has recently sent a notice
| to Quad9 (a standard recursive DNS resolver) demanding to stop
| resolving certain domains for all residents in Germany on request
| from Sony Music GmbH. According to Sony, those domains in
| question are infringing on properties that they claim are covered
| by their copyrights.
|
| This would be like a German court ordering Yellowbook to stop
| listing the phone number for a DVD store because they were known
| to sell bootleg copies of Sony movies. What a joke.
| oneplane wrote:
| Same as ordering the post office to stop processing mail
| because someone sent a copy of a book in the mail...
| zamadatix wrote:
| GP's comparison seems considerably more accurate. Even if
| your position is that the only way the Post Office could
| comply with filtering the mail for the address that's still
| not the same as an order to stop processing mail. Not to
| mention "someone sent a" makes it sounds like a single
| instance which is certainly not what http://uu.canna.to/
| regardless if you agree or disagree with pirating content.
| anonymousisme wrote:
| I do not understand why more people don't switch to a
| decentralized DNS such as OpenNIC (https://www.opennic.org)
|
| Governments have abused their control of DNS. A distributed
| system (with trust and safeguards) is the better way.
| gizdan wrote:
| Because no one knows about it. But also, looking at their list
| of servers, the majority is offline. Assuming this is because
| any person can run one, it's probably the reason.
|
| On top of the above, the likes of Google are enforcing their
| DNS servers. For example, I run AdGuard Home with it's DHCP
| functionality. I am unable to rely on the DHCP settings on my
| Android phone because Google forces the first DNS server to be
| 8.8.8.8 with (as far as I can tell) no way to disable this.
|
| I think at least for the foreseeable future the solution is to
| run Unbound and stop relying on DNS resolvers combined with a
| firewall that redirects _all_ DNS records AdGuard Home /PiHole.
| This is obviously not a solution to the general public.
| zamadatix wrote:
| If everyone used OpenNIC what would be different about this
| case?
| ignoramous wrote:
| > _The spendings will only grow as more and more similar court
| rulings are handed out (which without a doubt will come
| eventually). It will become near impossible to uphold a DNS
| service, and all small DNS resolvers will vanish._
|
| I run one such _small_ public DNS (DoH-only) resolver (primarily
| popular in countries where censorship is low to moderate), and
| know several other folks who do. Just the other day we were
| discussing the implications of this ruling, but coming from a
| country with dismal digital /internet freedom track-record, this
| made me sit back and contemplate for a bit (unblocking access to
| censored web properties _may_ soon be a crime as the government
| here bids to criminalise VPNs):
|
| I believe, the inevitable over-regulation and insurmountable
| legal threats are going to ruin it for the hobbyists who thrive
| at the fringes. Internet may soon go the way of the telecom
| industry. Controlled by a few, regulated to oblivion, with high
| barriers to entry.
|
| I hope I am wrong.
| oofabz wrote:
| Quad9 is based in Switzerland, so the German court should only
| have jurisdiction over whatever servers are in Germany. It seems
| like the worst case scenario is that Quad9 shuts down their
| German servers, but still serves German requests from servers in
| neighboring countries.
|
| That said this is still terrible and I hope the German court
| reconsiders their decision. The free flow of information is more
| valuable than protecting copyrights, because the former benefits
| many more people. Most of the copyright holders who feel
| threatened by piracy are not even German! The court is protecting
| big American businesses over individual Germans.
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