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Intel NUC P14E Laptop Element Features Intel NUC 11 Compute Element
Author : zdw
Score : 61 points
Date : 2021-09-07 18:11 UTC (1 days ago)
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| clipradiowallet wrote:
| Does anyone see a product to buy on this page? As I click through
| the models, all I see are "pricing unavailable" for the laptop
| kits.
| OldHand2018 wrote:
| With enough clicking, I got to this page [1] which lists a
| 5-pack of the laptop elements for $674.10 - I am not an expert,
| but that seems like you get 5 for $674.10 and not $674.10 each.
| Of course, you have to add your compute element and the SSD. Am
| I reading this right?
|
| [1]
| https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/212650/...
| pengaru wrote:
| It says it's for "channel partners", so they're probably
| looking to sell in bulk to resellers, maybe vendors like
| System76 who don't make the laptops they sell.
| [deleted]
| intricatedetail wrote:
| Why do they bother with this repackaged vintage technology? Intel
| should focus on new products, that could compete with M1 and
| Ryzen, instead they waste time on another generation of the same
| old underwhelming tech.
| jvanderbot wrote:
| I love my NUC Extreme compute element for my gaming rig. It
| performs extremely well, and my whole rig is the size of two full
| size graphics cards side by side, so it'd fit into a shoe box.
|
| The board is also very customizable -- I can scale down to ~3.0
| ghz x8 for nearly silent operation, or up to ~4.5 Ghz before
| thermal throttling takes over. Plenty of timing, voltage, and
| thermal options. On a more spacious case with better circulation,
| I'm sure it'd go higher.
|
| I got this case for it: https://www.newegg.com/white-cooler-
| master-mastercase-nc100-... but my experience with coolermaster
| customer support was not great.
| Agingcoder wrote:
| This sounds very interesting. I've been looking for a
| reasonably powerful, yet compact and silent gaming rig for a
| while (not too far from a mac mini size-wise) . I had ignored
| the nucs assuming they'd be too compact and therefore very
| noisy.
|
| What kind of gpu did you put in it?
| jvanderbot wrote:
| I've scraped by with an older GPU for now. I'll probably get
| a geforce 3xxx when hell freezes over.
| FootballMuse wrote:
| It would be amazing to replace the battery and get an upgraded
| Cumpute Element every few years while reusing the same basic
| hardware.
|
| CPUs tend to get tied +/- 1 or 2 chipset generations, but given
| that this uses a PCIe interface, it may actually be plausible.
| sneak wrote:
| Then we can be stuck with the same low-res <200ppi screen for
| many years to come!
|
| (My personal pet peeve is the stagnation of pixel density in
| displays outside of Apple hardware and phones.)
|
| What's wrong with replacing the display and keyboard? They're
| the cheapest parts of the computer.
|
| (I think the compute module includes the chipset, too, given
| that it includes the ram and wifi. It probably exposes pci to
| the laptop which is at that point just a bunch of peripherals.)
| ltbarcly3 wrote:
| My Thinkpad T490 has 210ppi and it's nothing special. Runs
| Debian like a champ (I am addicted to TrackPoint so I'm stuck
| with Lenovo these days). The picture quality on this laptop
| is far superior (contrast, color saturation, black levels) to
| my 16" MBP (the LCD panel on the 16" MBP is _shameful_ , it
| is the worst Apple display I've had in 15 years. If you
| calibrate it so that colors aren't washed out it is so dark
| it's impossible to use. If it wasn't a work laptop I would
| sell it, but luckily I have a good external 4k monitor).
|
| So I call shinanigans on what you are saying here.
|
| That said, I'm staying with the T490 because the best
| generation AMD thinkpads aren't available with high
| resolution panels yet, so I will grant you that you have to
| be patient to get a good laptop display. OTOH, you are wrong
| about retina displays, they aren't uniformly good so you have
| to be selective there as well.
| MisterTea wrote:
| Removable CPU modules make no sense for a laptop. I do want a
| more serviceable laptop but I want that accomplished via an open
| form factor. Modules just limit the thermal performance and take
| up valuable interior volume that could be better filled with a
| bigger battery, discreet GPU, or more useful ports.
| [deleted]
| 1-6 wrote:
| The article is showcasing a laptop that already has delivered
| on your request. Interior volume is optimized onto a single
| board. You no longer have various headers on the motherboard
| because of that. You can easily put a heatsink/thermal pipe on
| too.
|
| Laptops are perfect for this type of application. We have yet
| to be able to modularize smartphones in a way that will satisfy
| our current idea of form-factor but that will be coming too.
| MisterTea wrote:
| > Interior volume is optimized onto a single board. You no
| longer have various headers on the motherboard because of
| that.
|
| The module must plug into the motherboard via a set of card
| edge connectors so that statement is not true. Those
| connectors consume board space.
|
| To be clear, I don't dislike this idea. I just don't see the
| need to split the motherboard in two to allow easily swapping
| a part that 99% of users don't need to swap often, if ever.
| tcbawo wrote:
| I imagine that a huge percentage of laptop failures come
| from physical damage to the screen, hinges, keyboard, or
| battery. It would be nice to be able to swap the body out
| and be able to reuse the existing core components
| rvense wrote:
| Or vice versa. Think about how many fully functional
| keyboards, screens and laptop cases are tossed because
| someone wants a slightly faster CPU.
|
| I like the idea of a SoM in a laptop shell, but TBH it
| doesn't look like this laptop shell (as a MBP knockoff)
| will be particularly repairable.
| kop316 wrote:
| It's hard to tell, but it looks like the laptop is effectively a
| shell for a compute element that can go in a NUC too.
|
| It's a neat idea, and I recall there being a push for an open
| source device that was a computer in a PCMCIA card
| https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop which
| unfortunately looks like it hasn't been updated in a while.
| chaz6 wrote:
| Intel actually made a compute card [1] but I have not seen
| anything that uses it.
|
| [1] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/compute-
| card/compute...
| codezero wrote:
| This looks neat as a laptop, but I worry how much I'd care to use
| a laptop that doesn't have S3 suspend - is this still the case
| for all Tiger Lake CPUs, or am I misunderstanding? Also, I guess
| I'm curious just how bad lacking S3 suspend is, are there
| workarounds? Does it end up working fine in Windows for
| "reasons"? It's my understanding that Linux drivers aren't yet
| able to work around the lack of S3, but again, I could be
| misinformed!
|
| edit:
|
| I assume this is not really available/details are off, but
| looking at the comparison page for the 15 inch laptops, it says
| they are recommended to be priced around $1500 and include
| discrete RTX 3070 graphics cards... I find that unlikely, but if
| it's true I'd definitely buy one :)
|
| https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/compare.htm...
| my123 wrote:
| S0ix is the replacement, which allows for connected standby.
|
| (see https://01.org/blogs/qwang59/2020/linux-s0ix-
| troubleshooting)
|
| Connected standby has been the norm on mobile since ages, quite
| popular in laptops now and is making its way to desktops.
|
| The OEM cannot both provide S0ix and S3 suspend at the same
| time though. (togglable through UEFI firmware options on some
| systems, but that's getting rare)
| zozbot234 wrote:
| S0ix is a pretty clear regression compared to plain S3
| suspend, it drains more power in pretty much any OS. People
| can try to make it work a bit better at the OS/kernel level,
| but it will never be as good.
| emptysongglass wrote:
| It's really not that bad. Saying this as someone with a
| ThinkPad Nano running Fedora 34. I really don't notice a
| difference.
| akvadrako wrote:
| What makes you say that? My laptop can switch between S3
| (for Linux) and S0ix (for Windows). I've measured power
| usage and it's almost identical.
| MisterTea wrote:
| Why are you averse to turning off you computer?
|
| I understand saving state but I never let my workflow depend on
| program execution state. Power on, log in, do work, sip coffee,
| browse net, finish work, shutdown computer. I like to keep
| things simple.
| codezero wrote:
| Frankly, I've become VERY accustomed to quickly closing my
| lid and expecting to open it later with about the same
| battery life and whatever I was working on sitting there
| waiting. Apple has set a standard that I think in the year
| 2021 is totally reasonable to expect from a laptop. The
| concept of power management isn't one, I, as an end user,
| think I should have to worry about any more.
| birdman3131 wrote:
| With the speed of modern nvme drives I would much rather
| hibernate than sleep. The ability to know you can come back
| in a week to the same amount of battery is way better than
| saving a couple seconds off resuming from sleep.
| djrogers wrote:
| > The ability to know you can come back in a week to the
| same amount of battery
|
| That's pretty much the modern MacBook experience. And I
| don't care if it suspends, hibernates or serruptitiously
| crawls over to a power outlet in the middle of the night
| to recharge, I as an end user should _never_ need to
| think about such things.
|
| Close lid. Wait hours or days. Open Lid. Work.
|
| I like to keep things simple too.
| codezero wrote:
| Coming from the Apple side of things: I don't care what
| you call it, I just want to close my laptop, then open it
| and get on with working, and Apple seems to do this
| really well.
| evilduck wrote:
| I'm on a MBP where I pretty much only reboot for system and
| security updates and my workflow is the same as yours but two
| steps shorter. I basically never need to power on or power
| off. From my perspective it seems to me that you're adding
| steps and complexity. What does power cycling provide that
| I'm missing?
| karmicthreat wrote:
| This would be a bit more interesting at about half the price. I
| could think of some fantastic applications at that point.
| jeffbee wrote:
| It's sort of interesting but also sort of very impractical. As a
| buyer the _only_ thing you should care about inside a laptop is
| the effectiveness of the thermal design. The ability to remove
| heat from the CPU decides whether your laptop is fast or slow,
| over a range that is much, much larger than the generation-to-
| generation improvement in CPU speed. A ThinkPad X1 with an 8th-
| generation Core CPU is going to outperform a Asus ZenBook with an
| 11th-generation CPU. So when I look at this replaceable computer
| on a stick, it just makes me wonder how hostile it is to proper
| mechanical engineering.
| rbanffy wrote:
| I'm not sure I like this. It's a laptop, but if 2 years from now
| I want to upgrade its CPU, will there be a compute module that
| fits? It's matches the expandability of a MacBook with the beauty
| of a Dell Vostro - not a hugely attractive proposition.
|
| Good you can make it faster, if Intel decides to make a
| compatible module in the future.
| georgewsinger wrote:
| Simula's portable Linux VR headset is also planning on including
| an Intel NUC 11 Compute Element: www.simulavr.com
|
| The modularity of Intel NUCs is nice. We'll be able to offer a
| seamless upgrade to Alder Lake when it arrives.
| krasin wrote:
| Modular laptops are neat, but trying to fit a NUC into a laptop
| feels a lot less reasonable than the approach taken by the
| frame.work laptop.
| heresie-dabord wrote:
| Previous discussion about the Frame laptop:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27926425
| PostThisTooFast wrote:
| The guy's experience with shitty drivers reflects what people
| have been saying in reviews of NUCs for years. They appear to
| suck.
| ocdtrekkie wrote:
| So this is a rehash of the Intel Compute Card:
| https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-compute-card-bad-ide...
|
| The problem here is the Compute Card was killed before one could
| meaningfully upgrade the internals of hardware using it. What
| commitment is there Intel won't do the same for the NUC Compute
| Element?
|
| Putting the NUC brand on it doesn't change that you need a
| commitment to the form factor for people to buy into it.
| blacksmith_tb wrote:
| I suppose the idea is that if the element board is used in
| multiple product lines (this laptop, and desktop NUCs as well)
| Intel is less likely to kill it suddenly?
| soneil wrote:
| I don't think putting it in a NUC gives it the groundswell it
| sounds like. There's no reason the 12th gen couldn't have a
| processor on a dinky motherboard just like every generation
| before it.
|
| What the compute element really needs is a solid commitment.
| If they can promise me the next 3 generations will be drop-in
| compatible, there's value to it. If all we get is "in theory
| the next generation could be drop-in compatible, but Intel's
| track record says otherwise", less so. very much less so.
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