[HN Gopher] Predictors and effects of phubbing behaviour in frie...
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Predictors and effects of phubbing behaviour in friendships [pdf]
Author : giuliomagnifico
Score : 67 points
Date : 2021-09-04 17:52 UTC (2 days ago)
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| kwertyoowiyop wrote:
| Next time a friend phubs you, just AirDrop them this PDF.
| nick__m wrote:
| TIL the word phubbing!
|
| P.S. It's missing the [pdf] tag.
| anm89 wrote:
| This researcher just made it up. You could make up your own
| words if you wanted
| avalys wrote:
| It's interesting how much better the experience is reading a
| PDF online than an article on a "modern" website.
|
| The PDF loads quickly - nearly instantaneously. Nevertheless it
| also has a loading bar which accurately reflects loading
| progress. It is ready to be viewed immediately after loading.
| Once loaded, the layout is fixed - it doesn't shift and jump
| around as content continues to load for seconds after the first
| content is displayed. Scrolling is immediate, fast and
| responsive.
|
| It has no advertisements, no banners, no interstitials and no
| cookie warnings. Usually very little extraneous content of any
| kind.
|
| So I've never understood the desire for a "PDF Warning". If
| anything, we should have a tag on links to (for example) The
| Verge that somehow communicates "this page has 100 kB of
| content and 16 MB of Javascript ads, trackers, cookie warning
| popups, and other garbage. It will take 15 seconds to load and
| will reflow the layout 6 times while doing so. Once loaded, it
| will try to autoplay a useless video that takes 5 minutes to
| provide 15 seconds of explanation. Autoplay will start by
| showing you an unskippable 30-second toilet paper ad. If you
| try to stop the autoplaying ad because you don't want to watch
| the useless autoplaying video, your tap will open the toilet
| paper company's website instead."
|
| If anything, HN should prefer PDFs and tag links to such sites
| with a warning.
| leephillips wrote:
| Amen to everything you said. Far too many submissions to HN
| turn out to be these kinds of abusive sites. PDF FTW!
| rhn_mk1 wrote:
| > So I've never understood the desire for a "PDF Warning".
|
| What you're describing is the influence of scripting, and, to
| some extent, custom stylesheets. Some of us take the Web to
| the stone age by disabling either, for the purpose of calm
| reading - I think Reader Mode is also that.
|
| Yes, the content being reflowed by the creator is worse than
| fixed content, but fixed content is worse than content
| reflowed exclusively by the reader.
|
| Considering that, I really have no desire to read PDFs which
| need to be panned and zoomed every which way in order to read
| them comfortably.
| e12e wrote:
| Doesn't read very well on a phone - but would be great as a
| simple html page...
| nick__m wrote:
| I have nothing against PDFs when I am at my desk but I
| dislike them on my tablet as I have to manually delete them
| from the Download folder. For autoplaying toilet paper ad, I
| believe you that they exists inabundance but I don't see them
| as I use uBlock Origin in Firefox for Android...
| dang wrote:
| [pdf] added above. Thanks!
| Ajay-p wrote:
| I am shy and use my phone to escape interactions with others. I
| hope I am not viewed as "snubbing" someone, or a room.
| bqmjjx0kac wrote:
| I think it depends on whether you are avoiding interactions
| with friends or with strangers.
| antisthenes wrote:
| At that point why not just leave the room?
|
| Presumably there's at least 1 person there that you want to
| interact with, otherwise why are you there?
| aerovistae wrote:
| I mean....I'm sorry, but if I'm trying to spend time with you
| and you're on your phone to "escape interacting with
| me"....yes, that's almost the definition of snubbing me, and
| yes, I'm definitely viewing it that way.
| agumonkey wrote:
| the crowd around you will hold all possible interpretation of
| your behavior depending on their own bias
|
| you'll be an entitled douche, a snub, a weirdo, a shy, a geek,
| but maybe a 'independant mind', a mysterious person, someone
| who doesnt brag, etc
|
| who know what someone is when you run into it for a minute
| jcpst wrote:
| You can go ahead and bury that hope. Unless you want to live in
| denial, you are definitely snubbing if you are using your phone
| to escape interactions with others.
| anm89 wrote:
| Exciting to see that click bait has made its way into the
| research realm.
|
| Nobody would be the least bit interested in this paper if it
| didnt have a funny sounding made up word with no known definition
| in the title.
| schott12521 wrote:
| Eh, the word has been part of the dictionary for a few years
| now (almost a decade!):
| https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/phubb...
|
| I think it makes sense to use the correct terminology when
| writing a research paper.
| anm89 wrote:
| These dictionaries have become urban dictionary competitors
| collecting definitions for exactly these kind of obscure
| funny sounding words in a bid to stay relevant.
|
| Im a native English speaker who reads extensively on related
| topics and ive never once heard this word used until now.
| antiterra wrote:
| I often have an urge to pull out my phone to look up some info
| that is pertinent to the conversation, especially if I can't
| quite remember something.
|
| I eventually learned to just let it go unless it was of immediate
| importance, but the constant impulse to use my phone as a
| reference device persists.
| wallacoloo wrote:
| I sometimes use this to effect. If a conversation goes down a
| dead-end, it's easy to take the twenty seconds _then_ to look
| up that thing you wanted to tie into the conversation, and now
| you can rope the conversation back to that point and explore a
| different path.
|
| I'm at this point right now where I take notes about things I
| want to loop back on when I'm having casual conversations over
| the phone. But since my note-taking device is my phone, I don't
| do much note-taking in person because using a phone like that
| _appears_ disrespectful. Not sure how to break that limitation.
| drdeadringer wrote:
| It's OK not to know something in the moment.
|
| Leave it at the tip of your mind and roll.
| version_five wrote:
| I find in many circumstances looking it up ruins the
| conversation. If you quickly _need_ a fact sure, but it you 're
| discussing something more as an intellectual exercise, either
| in memory or reasoning, which in my experience is way more
| often, its ruined when someone pulls up wikipedia and reads out
| the "answer".
| Broken_Hippo wrote:
| That's just your cohort. We might discuss the answer, but we
| tend to look it up and then talks about that result.
|
| Which is fine with me: I'd rather not have someone's
| skillfully crafted BS in my head if it isn't connected to
| actual truth if I can help it.
| iamevn wrote:
| I find that I'm better able to focus on conversations if I have
| some other stimulus to keep some part of my mind occupied. When I
| try to appear to give someone my "full attention" I struggle to
| comprehend and get overwhelmed by what I understand to be my adhd
| brain going off on 50 tangents at a time. It 100% looks rude but
| after setting expectations with my friends and family they seem
| to either understand or at least tolerate it.
| GDC7 wrote:
| "I am not going up to that person to talk, that's needy and like
| not cool at all...but I can't stay here staring into the void
| either...what am I gonna do? Oh yes I am gonna look at my phone
| and pretend that my attention is captured by something/someone
| else, that would put pressure on him/her to come talk to me
| instead"
| drdeadringer wrote:
| Which is sad.
|
| Said "as an introvert".
| amin wrote:
| Lifehack: Don't hang with people who'd rather be on their phone
| than to engage with you.
| DeBraid wrote:
| Came here to post something similar, "I don't experience this
| problem..." and realized this is due to my age (approaching
| 40yo) and having the good fortune of curated great group of
| friends who enjoy each other more than doomscrolling.
| MeinBlutIstBlau wrote:
| You're gonna have a major problem trying to make friends as you
| get older then unless they're aware of this too.
| fsckboy wrote:
| this headline/title (above) uses psychological terms of art in
| confusing way.
|
| Depression is a condition that is characterized by repeated
| periods of dysphoria, feeling unhappy. So I'd suggest the
| headline refer to dysphoria.
|
| Anxiety is a feeling, but social anxiety starts to cross over to
| referring to a condition, but this one gets a pass.
|
| Neuroticism is a scale for the propensity toward unhappy feelings
| for all of us. People high in neuroticism would include people
| with depression and anxiety disorders who would be more likely to
| feel dysphoria and anxiety when confronted by phone use by
| friends who seem to be ignoring them.
|
| (I didn't plow through the whole article yet, but it doesn't use
| these terms at the top. I was put off reading by the word phub...
| can't even say it. I like being with friends who don't care if I
| use my phone, and I allow them to. You can just say "hey, listen
| to me right now" if you want, there is no snubbing involved, or
| if there is, call it out.)
| [deleted]
| dwighttk wrote:
| Phubbing means ignoring those around you to look at your phone.
| (Had to look it up)
| anm89 wrote:
| Im formally changing the definition of phubbing right here to
| the act of writing low quality research with click bait titles
| designed to maximize the chance that articles get written about
| it in magazines
| leephillips wrote:
| This phenomenon has precedents. When I was in college, many
| (many!) years before cellphones, and before personal computers, I
| went to see my undergraduate advisor. Oh no, a long line of
| students outside his office! Looks like over an hour wait. So I
| had a brilliant idea: I trotted back to the dorm and called him
| on the phone. He picked up on the first ring, and I got to ask
| him what I needed to while everyone else waited.
|
| He was one of the smartest people I've ever met, but in the
| thrall of some psychological effect that I guess is part of our
| current smartphone pathology.
| drdeadringer wrote:
| Before he retired, the head of my major's department would make
| you wait until he finished a game of Minefield before
| addressing you. I didn't believe it until I experienced it
| myself.
|
| He needed to retire long before I signed up, but that's neither
| here nor there.
|
| There are stories. I'm glad that now that that's all they are.
| SV_BubbleTime wrote:
| Not too proud about it, but I've done this at Home Depot or
| other places while in the store and can't find an employee and
| am in a hurry.
|
| Maybe the employee who is sent to the shelves to answer the
| caller's question while a customer is standing around with a
| strikingly similar question was goofing off, or they were busy
| doing something else, IDK, but sometimes you need to just get
| things done.
| tobtoh wrote:
| When I was an IT manager, I never answered my phone if I was
| talking to someone, and especially if they were one of my team
| (unless it was the incident response desk which would mean they
| were escalating a critical problem).
|
| I had constant looks of surprise that I would let calls go to
| voicemail, even if it was my boss. The feedback I would often get
| later (via 360 reviews, or even just during casual conversation)
| was that it was a huge positive tick in their opinion of me as a
| manager (and person). They felt they were being listened to and
| that I was paying attention to them.
|
| I remember reading an etiquette guide once where 'proximity'
| (temporal and spatial) should be the deciding factor in
| prioritizing your attention. Someone standing in front of you is
| closer than a phone call or an email - that should always be #1
| (and phone > chat > email). It's generally what I try to follow.
| drdeadringer wrote:
| "... Aren't you going to get that?"
|
| "Right now, I am talking to you."
| SV_BubbleTime wrote:
| Hmm, nicely worded and intended. I'll give that a specific try.
| I can think of a few conversations I've cut short because I got
| a more important call that ended up just being something I
| would have got the gist of from a voicemail.
| Bokanovsky wrote:
| I remember once as a junior developer meeting up with the head
| of technology to rely a project update to him. During the
| meeting his (desk) phone started to ring. He looked down at it
| and pressed the mute button for the ringer. While commenting
| that they don't get to jump the queue just because they're
| phoning him.
|
| At the time I found it reassuring that I had his undivided
| attention.
| anigbrowl wrote:
| People complaining about the neologism in the title are free to
| coin or nominate their own term for the phenomenon of being
| snubbed by someone nominally engaged in conversation but giving
| more of their attention to their phone.
| jcims wrote:
| My youngest (sophomore in college) has gone through some hellish
| personal issues over the past 4-5 years and checks the first two
| boxes in the title. This behavior has gotten pretty bad recently
| and I'm really struggling trying to get across how this behavior
| is perceived by others. I have some of the same traits in that
| when i was younger i would just leave during gatherings until
| people started calling me out in it.
|
| This puts a different spin on it that might help me find new ways
| to help her see it objectively.
| drdeadringer wrote:
| I don't see the problem with leaving when you're ready if
| that's before the party's over.
|
| Not "overstaying your welcome" goes both ways. It is legit to
| feel "I'm done here", say the thank-yous, and go.
|
| I don't understand. I'm open to understanding the other side of
| the coin.
| jcims wrote:
| By 'younger' I'm talking in my 20's and early 30's, and the
| gatherings in question were at my house. :)
|
| Fortunately my wife had the social capacity for both of us
| (and then some) and patience with my quirks.
| ryandrake wrote:
| I remember sitting at a restaurant some time pre-covid, and
| noticed this young couple a few tables over obviously on some
| sort of date. But their phones were constantly lighting up and
| buzzing, and every time it happened, they'd interrupt whatever
| they were talking about and go into zombie mode playing with
| their phones. Then after some scrolling and texting, go back to
| their conversation. Hard to tell if they even made it through to
| the end of a single conversation. I guess I'm an old fart but I
| couldn't imagine a night out like this, but it seemed like no big
| deal to them so ...?
| MeinBlutIstBlau wrote:
| It's possible they they just met up to hang out too even if
| it's a real early on simple date. A lot of dating anyway is
| filled with low effort interactions and people flaking on a
| whim so wasting time trying to actually "try" early on isn't
| worth it. It only changes when you both don't mind hanging out
| with eachother.
| Arubis wrote:
| From TFA, in case you were also confused: "Phubbing is the act of
| snubbing someone during face-to-face interactions by using
| smartphones instead of paying attention to them."
| phkahler wrote:
| What's the relationship with depression and such (psych)? Does
| one phub more when psych is present, or does phubbing cause
| psych, and in which person?
| ainar-g wrote:
| > Although studies have examined phubbing in many different
| relationships, little is known about friend phubbing
| (Fphubbing).
|
| I understand that "language grows", and that it often does so
| chaotically and in a non-organised way, and all that stuff, but
| as a non-native English speaker, I often find myself wondering
| if English--and in particular modern English--is just trolling
| us at this point.
| anm89 wrote:
| You are basically correct. this word is nonsense and NOBODY
| uses it.
|
| The author is using a funny sounding made up word to attract
| interest to their research.
| barnesto wrote:
| Not true. I've known this phenomenon by its name for well
| over a year. Not sure the origin. Yes, it's nonsense. But
| plenty of people use here in the Bay Area. This wasn't made
| up just for this article.
|
| Also, the word is nonsense just the practice. Pay attention
| to what and who is in front of you. Eyes up, please.
| toyg wrote:
| The language? No. Starving academics of the humanities,
| desperately trying to come up with "catchy" concepts?
| Absolutely.
| omnicognate wrote:
| Languages evolve and dictionaries document rather than
| prescribing.
|
| This doesn't mean that you are not allowed to have an opinion
| as to whether a particular linguistic development is a good
| thing.
| ineedasername wrote:
| Not trolling, English has perhaps always been a bit more
| dynamic, having its roots in what arguably started out as a
| creole language [0]. Linguists disagree with each other on
| that point, but English does have its roots in a bunch of
| different languages. This contributes to a general lack of
| consistency across the language, and in the absence of more
| concrete rules it may end up being a little more flexible
| when it comes to certain things, more accepting of coining
| new words rather than turning to existing words.
|
| See also "The Great Vowel Shift" as another example
| contributing to the roots of English in more dynamic change
| [1]
|
| [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_English_creole_hyp
| oth...
|
| [1]
| talideon wrote:
| English was/is not a creole. That's a misreading of things.
| Rather it was _creolised_. The linked Wikipedia article
| mentions this, but it could be more explicit. Old English
| didn 't die out and get replaced by a weirdly similar yet
| simpler language, but evolved into Middle English over
| time.
|
| Creoles are descended from pidgins that later become full
| languages, i.e., they become _more_ complex. Creolised
| languages, on the other hand, are languages that _simplify_
| radically due to contact with other language groups. Now,
| the _outcome_ might be similar, but the difference in
| terminology is useful to distinguish the direction of
| change.
|
| It doesn't take long for this kind of thing to happen, and
| we have prominent written evidence of this in the form of
| Afrikaans, which began as a creolised form of Dutch, which
| was already one of the more straightforward West Germanic
| languages.
| ineedasername wrote:
| To say something is creolized but not a creole is a bit
| of a contradiction given that creolizationn is process by
| which something becomes a creole. merely the way that
| creole languages come about. Unless you mean that it
| underwent a change that has some characteristics of
| creole, but did not fully make the leap? That would make
| more sense, and pretty much in line with the "it is not a
| full creole" dominant opinion in the field. The minority
| opinion is that the others are splitting hairs about
| where the line is for a sufficient amount of
| simplification.
| slowmovintarget wrote:
| This is a portmanteau nobody needs and few people want. I've
| not heard the term before and hope it doesn't catch on. It is
| cumbersome.
| avalys wrote:
| The authors of the study just made up these words.
| avian wrote:
| I've never heard of "phubbing" before either, but according
| to Wikipedia the origins of the word trace back to 2012:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phubbing
| woko wrote:
| Coined by an advertising agency.
| burnished wrote:
| Is TFA 'the fucking article'?
| leephillips wrote:
| Of course not, that would be rude. It's "the fine article".
| [deleted]
| jcims wrote:
| The Fabulous Article
| acheron wrote:
| The friendly article.
| edoceo wrote:
| It's like the F in RTFM. Fantastic.
| gpvos wrote:
| _Fine_ was the original alternative.
| chrisfosterelli wrote:
| Yes. Alternatively: "The Featured Article"
| justaj wrote:
| And what would snubbing be?
|
| All I came across are some industrial terms, see:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snubbing
| symlinkk wrote:
| Wow you're saying socially anxious people avoid social
| interactions by looking at their phone? That is groundbreaking
| stuff, give this guy a raise
| dang wrote:
| " _Don 't be snarky._"
|
| " _Please don 't post shallow dismissals, especially of other
| people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something._"
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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