[HN Gopher] Neurocracy
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Neurocracy
Author : evo_9
Score : 241 points
Date : 2021-09-04 02:23 UTC (20 hours ago)
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| ramesh31 wrote:
| Does anyone else remember EA's "Majestic"? Whatever happened to
| these types of games?
| rkagerer wrote:
| This snagged my interest but after a while I found myself wishing
| there were a "next day" button.
|
| Is there some secret to progressing through the plot or do you
| have to click through every link and read through every minutia
| and all the change history of each article?
|
| Or is the "secret" to buy a pass? (I was hoping the free sample
| experience would have some sort of conclusion.)
| MrsPeaches wrote:
| "The story of Neurocracy is episodic and unfolds across ten
| consecutive days in the year 2049. Each episode represents a
| snapshot of a single day"
|
| "Neurocracy is out now! Visit Omnipedia to access the first
| episode. To unlock the full experience, buy the season pass."
| fouc wrote:
| > "I looked at Neurocracy and thought: this is perfect. It gave
| me vibes of Deus Ex, the SCP wiki, and of Borges' Garden of
| Forking Paths."
|
| https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/14/22577088/neurocracy-wikip...
| tpoacher wrote:
| > The in-universe text in Deus Ex had such a profound
| worldbuilding influence on Truyens that he included its lead
| writer, Sheldon Pacotti, in Omnipedia.
|
| This just made me want to play this. Sheldon Pacotti is an
| absolute genius. I started reading his books after finding out
| he was the lead scriptwriter in Deus Ex, and they've been
| amazing.
|
| Having said that, the quote above is ironic, since Pacotti
| wrote the script, not the in-game texts. Those were written by
| someone else, whose name escapes me now ...
|
| On the bright side, I'll be remembering soon, since now that
| Deus Ex had been mentioned, I'll have to reinstall it again ...
| zzzaim wrote:
| Anybody remember / still play [Nomics]? I thought this was
| something like that, but I guess it's different.
|
| Which got me thinking, what if it was like a Nomic?
|
| Imagine cloning an exact copy of Wikipedia on another server.
| Then have 2 player teams: bad guys and good guys. The bad guys
| edit/write articles to cover their tracks. The good guys scour
| articles and article histories trying to uncover the truth. Maybe
| there needs to be a "game master" team that does some type of
| moderation? I don't know, just spit balling here. Too crazy?
|
| [Nomics]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic
| jdiez17 wrote:
| There's Agora Nomic [1] which has been active for many years
| but I find it rather tedious to get into ongoing Nomic games.
|
| I have had a few fun Nomic games on Etherpad + IRC, but it's
| difficult to find people interested in playing realtime Nomic
| these days.
|
| [1] https://agoranomic.org/
| [deleted]
| anigbrowl wrote:
| You can do this right now for real if you're really interested.
| What OSINT does not guarantee is the epistemic closure of a
| crafted experience.
| imwillofficial wrote:
| Any resources on getting started in the real world?
| anigbrowl wrote:
| Depends on what topic you're interested in really. If it's
| people, look up Michael Bazzell's stuff. Or there are all
| kinds of data science problems going unsolved.
| _1tan wrote:
| How?
| wizzwizz4 wrote:
| There's no Omnipedia article for "lamp".
| spats1990 wrote:
| CMD is in the fish! it's in the fish! we're all gonna die
| horribly
| sbierwagen wrote:
| 520 error when you try to buy the season pass. Bummer.
| systemvoltage wrote:
| Realism of this is so eerily remarkable.
| abvdasker wrote:
| This looks similar to a very entertaining game I played a while
| ago called Orwell. It's mostly text based and simulates the
| experience of being an intelligence/signals analyst in a
| dystopian surveillance state.
| animanoir wrote:
| I do find this pretty cool.
| gnulinux wrote:
| Very cool concept.
| sweetheart wrote:
| Just started digging through the first chapter (I think?), which
| is linked to on the main page. This is so, so cool. What a fun
| and interesting idea.
| keeganpoppen wrote:
| other than the weird fixation on Drupal (i kid, i kid), this is
| really, really cool
| tarboreus wrote:
| It feels a little on the nose. I clicked "random article", and
| there's an article on the United States. Shockingly, the things
| in the headlines in the news over the past 2-5 years caused a
| massive decline.
|
| Maybe I've just read too much history, but the random topics of
| the day and trends that people care about one decade are almost
| universally irrelevant or forgotten in five decades. Some things
| were, in fact, important, but become background issues as people
| accept and adapt. Others are overblown, wrong, or artifacts on
| the political or cultural environment, i.e. proxies for anxieties
| that are generational or for the interests of a major
| institutional power with a short- or medium-term agenda.
|
| That is to say, if I were to create a wiki for the mid twenty-
| first century, I'd make it alienating, not comfortably
| extrapolative. The concerns of the populace should be head-
| scratchers for us. People should be arguing about shades in
| social strata that don't exist now, waxing moral on norms we
| haven't invented, and making jokes we don't have the context to
| get. Sociopolitically, we should expect a layering of cultural
| and political movements. In fifty years, that might include some
| kind of Reaganesque conservative reassertion, some kind of
| orthogonal or approximately novel social movement, and some kind
| of progressive or liberal progressive advance, and each reacting
| to one another and sticking around to greater or lesser extents.
|
| I think we will also be suprised to see what looks like zero or
| minimal progress in some areas that are currently hyped. I'll
| leave considering those as an exercise for the reader.
|
| Basically, the future is messy and alienating. We'll be old then,
| if we're alive, and the concerns of that day will not be the
| concerns of ours, or even extrapolations on those concerns.
| josters wrote:
| Even before starting there are these cookie messages:
|
| _[ ] Neurometric montages: If you are equipped with a
| neurometric colloid, such as those administered with a membership
| of G6, Omnipedia may use this function to authenticate your login
| automatically and continuously for up to eight hours.
|
| [ ] Behavioural montages: Omnipedia's algorithms can keep track
| of your emotional state and, depending on your reactions,
| highlight content that piques a particular interest or restrict
| content that may be deemed upsetting or inappropriate._
| mellosouls wrote:
| Choose your own adventure...
| howtofly wrote:
| Chaos of US rather than China in 2049 will be a much more
| exciting topic. I will feel much more comfortable playing such a
| game.
| patentatt wrote:
| The only problem I have with it so far is that the future worlds'
| wealthiest person made his fortune from a drupal consultancy,
| lol.
| Aeolun wrote:
| Lol. I'm not sure how realistic this is any more.
|
| Pandemic that prompts global neural monitoring: 1,620,450
| infections (with a death toll of 39,705)
|
| Pandemic that prompts... mild pressure to get vaccinated:
| 218,946,836 infections (with a death toll of 4,539,723)
|
| To be fair, CMD sounds more unpleasant.
| josephcsible wrote:
| s/mild pressure to get vaccinated/a massive curtailing of
| freedom and privacy everywhere/
| Yoric wrote:
| Frankly, whether you agree or not with the rationales, in
| comparison to any previous vaccination campaign, this one is
| really, really mild.
|
| I _think_ that I would have preferred a more straightforward
| law that mandates vaccination, rather than the more flexible
| /mild/sneaky approach taken by many governments, but I _know_
| that I would have hated being the one who makes any kind of
| public health call during this entire covid pandemic.
| josephcsible wrote:
| > in comparison to any previous vaccination campaign, this
| one is really, really mild.
|
| I'm also referring to the lockdowns we had before the
| vaccine existed. Those certainly weren't mild.
| Aeolun wrote:
| Yes, yes, absolutely massive.
|
| Please wear a mask, and please stay home as much as possible.
| Very onerous. We've had lockdowns, but even those generally
| allow you to go outside for a walk.
| josephcsible wrote:
| You don't consider "you're not allowed in any building
| other than your own house, the closest grocery store to
| you, or an emergency room" to be a massive curtailing of
| freedom? Because a lot of places basically said exactly
| that.
| pyrale wrote:
| People that don't mind killing other people to improve
| their personal comfort usually end up restricted to their
| cell and the prison's yard, when the issue is correctly
| framed.
|
| I don't know why people expect this particular case
| should be any different.
| josephcsible wrote:
| Driving a car is more comfortable than walking, but car
| crashes kill a lot of people. Let's put everyone who
| drives cars in prison then too, right?
| jcelerier wrote:
| I mean, I don't know how you imagine a better society but
| in mine there's definitely no cars involved (and I say
| that as someone who really really enjoys driving)
| quickthrower2 wrote:
| Coronavirus is a lot more deadly than cars.
|
| If people drive recklessly or intoxicated or without a
| license etc. they get punished.
|
| Many activities have a chance of causing death. For
| example taking your family to the beach.
|
| It's all a complex weighing up of freedoms vs. other
| freedoms and where societies moral compass seems to be in
| the current time (and place)
| joconde wrote:
| The average car driver doesn't risk passing a deadly
| virus to every single other driver they pass that day.
| Crashes don't kill _that_ many people compared to the
| number of kilometers driven each day.
| wozniacki wrote:
| Not to be alarmist ( then again when exactly does one sound
| the alarm !?! ), but the Australian army has been
| patrolling the streets, making home visits & serving
| "health-enforcement" notices quite publicly.[1]
|
| Other alleged incidents where Australian law enforcement
| have used force to detain / arrest rule-violating public
| outdoors and/or at their homes for as simple a violation as
| not wearing a mask.[2][3][4][5]
|
| [1] Penrith, Burwood and Rockdale have been put on COVID
| alert by the NSW Chief Health Officer | 7NEWS
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4yv335rykw&t=270s
|
| [2] Footage of NSW Police Breach of Public Health Orders
| Arrest
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h0_w68Uij0
|
| [3] Mask exempted shop owners brutally arrested in Bowral
| for not wearing a mask.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clQZ-Gnn0bA
|
| [4] Australia - Police brutally arrest a citizen for not
| wearing a mask
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLqENVI8yp0
|
| [5] Melbourne Police Choke Female Pedestrian for "Not
| Wearing a Mask"
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8vrYlVIZ2U
| roenxi wrote:
| If your response is "well, you can generally leave your
| house to go for a walk" then it isn't really appropriate to
| respond with sarcasm.
|
| In Australia we've had the army on the streets to enforce
| the lockdowns. It is pretty undeniable that there have been
| massive curtailments of freedom, geography dependent.
|
| > Please wear a mask
|
| Again, not sure where you are - but in my experience there
| haven't been a lot of "please"s. And when there have been
| it isn't a please-please, it is a I'm-pretending-this-
| isn't-a-command please. I saw a woman get booted off a tram
| for not having a mask; the police were certainly not just
| asking.
| scns wrote:
| In Turkey retirees got busted by police if they left
| their residence.
| _dain_ wrote:
| Prisoners are allowed to go for a walk in the yard too.
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