[HN Gopher] In goodbye message, Chaillan unloads over DoD's tech...
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In goodbye message, Chaillan unloads over DoD's technology culture,
processes
Author : mmhsieh
Score : 33 points
Date : 2021-09-03 17:50 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| AtlasBarfed wrote:
| "creation of an enterprisewide DevSecOps managed service
| featuring more than 800 hardened containers for software
| development"
|
| An infosec manager/exec/director that made software solutions
| rather than a bunch of policy and powerpoint drivel?
|
| AND he was in the federal government?
|
| I can't believe it. My #1 complaint about practically all infosec
| orgs in large corporations is that they set policies and review
| barriers, but don't offer solutions.
| commandlinefan wrote:
| > IT is a highly skilled and trained job; staff it as such
|
| He's going to be disappointed by the private sector too - I
| haven't been trained on or even given time to learn anything in
| at least 20 years. Any learning I (or anybody I've ever worked
| with) undertake is strictly on personal time only.
| [deleted]
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| wolverine876 wrote:
| Larger discussion here:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28408399
| jrochkind1 wrote:
| > Chaillan added that DoD remains stuck in the outdated water-
| agile-fall acquisition processes...
|
| Wait what?
| markdjacobsen wrote:
| I can't speak for Chaillan, but as a military member who led an
| agile software development team similar to his during the same
| timeframe, I think he's referring to DoD's fondness for
| buzzwords.
|
| Because "agile" is the new hotness, every DoD office and vendor
| tries to slap the language of agile onto a waterfall model. See
| this wonderful report from the Defense Innovation Board on
| "Detecting Agile BS":
| https://media.defense.gov/2018/Oct/09/2002049591/-1/-1/0/DIB...
| tarkin2 wrote:
| I read it as water-agile-fail at first. Made more sense.
|
| I think most of my experience with "agile" has been: we'll make
| a vague plan that came from god-knows-where, you'll do lots of
| releases, testers will test incrementally, you'll update us
| once a week, and at the end we'll release it and you'll do it
| all again when the users tell us they don't like it or (more
| likely) when management goes on a new whim.
|
| It turned out making a huge plan at the start was a mistake. It
| also turned out that no one wanted to ask the users what they
| thought.
| AtlasBarfed wrote:
| It would be funny if the DoD is attached to waterfall still.
|
| The entire organizing principle of modern US warfare is as
| fast and adaptive a battlefield loop as possible for: get
| information -> adapt strategy -> deliver orders.
|
| I believe it goes back to Napoleon, who basically conquered
| all of Europe using those principles and superior
| organization.
| Wonnk13 wrote:
| > Living in Maryland, I've met several young people who put in a
| few years at the agency (including TAO) who then left for
| industry. Millenials don't care about a government pension,
| especially when you're in a windowless SCIF hacking Perl.
|
| > The US Government as a whole has a massive talent retention
| problem. Only the mediocre will stay at NSA / CIA now and we'll
| probably see more of these leaks / hacks.
|
| That's a verbatim comment I made on this site back in 2017 and
| it's still relevant. I don't mean to toot my own horn as much as
| to highlight the braindrain out of DoD / the alphabet soup
| agencies and into other sectors. It HAS and WILL CONTINUE to bite
| the United States in the ass.
| mistrial9 wrote:
| I like the all-caps yellling here, because it simulates someone
| talking in detail while the other person is not really willing
| to change no matter what you say.. so the volume increases ..
| it will ALSO BITE YOU when you treat intelligent people that
| way COMMANDER
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