[HN Gopher] Elizabeth Holmes Might Claim Abusive Relationship in...
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       Elizabeth Holmes Might Claim Abusive Relationship in Criminal Fraud
       Defense
        
       Author : slygent
       Score  : 16 points
       Date   : 2021-08-28 16:57 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | diskzero wrote:
       | I am not medical professional, or a trained social worker, but I
       | have no doubt that Holmes has a diagnosable personality disorder
       | _and_ was the victim of some sort of abuse and manipulation.
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       | I also believe that she was totally aware that she was enaged in
       | fraud and deception and was faciliated by a swath of powerful
       | people who had various things to gain.
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       | It is unfortunate that many defendants will seek out any means to
       | avoid the consequences of their actions. It is also troubling
       | when they use issues such as abuse and mental health as excuses.
       | It is disrespectful to those who have really suffered.
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       | Her inability to accept any responsibilty is terrible. It very
       | well may be she was abused and manipulated, but should that
       | exhonorate her from the entire criminal enterprise?
        
       | nowherebeen wrote:
       | She is doing such a disservice to other women that actually go
       | through abuse. She is pulling all the stops now with the baby and
       | abuse. Is she going to argue she is insane next?
        
         | lupire wrote:
         | It's quite possible she actually went through abuse. That
         | doesn't excuse her stealing a $billion with fake medical
         | devices.
        
         | dragonwriter wrote:
         | > Is she going to argue she is insane next?
         | 
         | The whole point of the abuse being raised in the context of the
         | criminal case is to support a "mental disease or defect"
         | defense, the closest available federal analog to the classic
         | insanity defense so, yes, that's essentially the whole point.
        
         | jollybean wrote:
         | She started dating an odd guy who was wealthy and way older at
         | the age of 20, which is really young.
         | 
         | While I have no doubt of her culpability in some matters, I
         | also have no doubt that this guy was a major manipulator behind
         | the scenes, it looked like a cultish situation from the start.
         | 
         | I think most everything came from him, she was a partial puppet
         | - the fake voice, the clothing, the presentation - no 20 year
         | old is able to figure all of that out.
         | 
         | When the story started to come out, I found her relationship
         | with that much older creepy guy to be the most interesting part
         | by far.
         | 
         | Legally, it's hard to say, but from a practical perspective,
         | he's a very material part of the situation.
         | 
         | Also I don't doubt the things she's claiming, but again I'm not
         | sure what it really means or implies.
        
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