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Brazil prisoners reading books to shorten their sentences (2020)
Author : newonebig123
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Date : 2021-08-28 09:01 UTC (14 hours ago)
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| Borrible wrote:
| And some used to knit themself to freedom:
|
| https://widerimage.reuters.com/story/prison-knitters
|
| In India, there is a prison that has somewhat of a tradition of
| experimenting with unusual methods of behavioural change. Last
| time in 2015 it was Yoga:
|
| https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/shorter-terms-for-priso...
|
| An even more traditional way is known in Thailand, prison fights.
| Officially:
|
| https://muaythai-world.com/muay-thai-thailand-prison-fights-...
| sammalloy wrote:
| If anyone is interested in the wider topic, this subject is
| called bibliotherapy, and has a long history. This specific
| program was popularized in the early 1990s at the University of
| Massachusetts Dartmouth as an alternative probation sentencing
| program, and it was so successful it later branched out around
| the world. Key advocates include Robert Waxler, Jean Trounstine,
| and Mary Stephenson, and researchers Roger Jarjoura and Susan T.
| Krumholz.
| johnchristopher wrote:
| I feel like Bibliotherapy tried a stint in general public
| awareness two or three years ago but it didn't take off.
|
| Are there any reviews of its effectiveness for mental health
| problems like depression, anxiety, etc. ?
| tgv wrote:
| Relatively easy to find, given that the name is quite
| distinctive. E.g., https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti
| cle/abs/pii/S02727.... That article doesn't seem to be
| conclusive.
|
| I, however, doubt the value of bibliotherapy. I don't see
| _how_ it would work.
| randcraw wrote:
| I think a major takeaway from reading is to see inside the
| mind of another person. That's something that I suspect
| most criminals do badly, since crime, especially violent
| crime, requires the person to NOT understand the impact of
| their actions on others. Sociopaths don't care, but they
| commit the vast minority of crime. Getting the other
| criminals to appreciate more perspectives than just their
| own might be very helpful to diminish their willingness to
| harm others.
| tgv wrote:
| But that doesn't relate to e.g. depression.
| johnchristopher wrote:
| I am aware of that meta study, it's from 2017 though. I
| also didn't dig enough to get the list of books used in the
| various studies (I am interested self-help vs fiction/non-
| fiction).
| jack_riminton wrote:
| I expect it'll create an illicit trade of essay plans and verbal
| story tellers
| erikig wrote:
| If there were ever a least neferious illicit prison trade, this
| would be it.
| jack_riminton wrote:
| Exactly. Might even spawn some good debates
| nzach wrote:
| If you are interested in the Brazilian prison system you should
| take a look into this:
|
| [1] - Retratos do Carcere: https://vimeo.com/383384532,
| https://www.pandafilmes.com.br/portfolio/retratos-do-carcere This
| is a series about inmates life's. It start giving a brief
| overview of the current state of Brazilian prison system,
| including some history to explain why it is this way. Then it go
| on to show what really means to be an inmate in Brazil. It shows
| the conditions inmates have to endure, the treatment inmate's
| family receives, the role religion has inside Brazilian prisons,
| etc.
|
| [2] - Central: O Poder das Faccoes no Maior Presidio do Brasil:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lbSBVpo9JA This is a documentary
| about the "Presidio Central"
| (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pres%C3%ADdio_Central_de_Porto...)
| which is the largest prison in the state of Rio Grande Do Sul.
| The prison is overcrowded and falling apart. It is considered one
| of the worsts active prisons in Brazil.
|
| [3] - Deus e o Diabo em Cima da Muralha:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbTMV1-0BTk This one follows
| Drauzio Varella, a famous physician, while he gives the last
| goodbye to the most infamous prison in
| Brazil(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carandiru_Penitentiary).
|
| Unfortunately I don't know if these are available in languages
| other than Portuguese.
| languagehacker wrote:
| Pizza hut
| cirowrc wrote:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvFa63DZGOs
| yawaworht1978 wrote:
| This could be a bit discriminatory, Brazil has a high
| analphabetism rate, it will be worst in prison, I suppose. The
| ones who can't read should be offered courses and maybe start
| with easy comics.
| someperson wrote:
| > analphabetism
|
| I've never heard that word before. It's a synonym for
| illiteracy.
| caenn wrote:
| It's more commonly used in rummage languages, illiteracy is
| not really used (in the same way that analfabetismo is not
| used in English)(my swipe keyboard even used the Portuguese
| version!).
| 10000truths wrote:
| It's used in many languages, particularly the Romance
| languages:
|
| Spanish - analfabeto
|
| Portuguese - analfabeto
|
| French - analphabete
|
| Italian - analfabeta
|
| German - Analphabet
|
| Romanian - analfabet
|
| Polish - analfabeta
| beardyw wrote:
| Me too - which is ironic in this discussion. Not sure I am
| too convinced by it, it seems to derive from unfamiliarity
| with the alphabet. In small children at least familiarity
| with the alphabet is not the same as being able to read.
| lbebber wrote:
| The word "literacy" also derives from familiarity with
| letters, but from latin instead of greek.
| oscargrouch wrote:
| I was trained to understand that illiteracy in English means
| someone that cant read or write, but if it was translated as-
| is, illiteracy means "iletrado" -> someone "without letters"
| which in my mother language doesn't mean that someone cant
| read, but a broader category of people who cant read together
| with people who have very a poor language understanding and
| communication skills.
|
| Some illiterate 'iletrado'(for us) in some cases can read,
| but might not understand it very well.
|
| That might explain why the OP used the given word because in
| some languages its the definition that defines people who
| cant read.
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| > a broader category of people who cant read together with
| people who have very a poor language understanding and
| communication skills.
|
| We would be likely to call that second group "functionally
| illiterate".
| ATsch wrote:
| This is such a condescending understanding of why most crime
| happens. Especially in a country with as much wealth disparity as
| Brazil.
| yawaworht1978 wrote:
| I think it came across wrong, I have lived in LATAM (not the
| safe tourism trips, lived and engaged in society). The reasons
| for the crimes are economic desperation for the most part.
| Wasn't discriminating, just saying that prisoners are more
| likely to be analphabetic.
| nelsonic wrote:
| It's not even attempting to describe why crimes happen. It's
| just offering people an incentive to read because literacy is
| strongly correlated with job prospects. I can't see a downside
| to this pilot program. I hope they expand it to include
| technical/practical training.
| ATsch wrote:
| The program is called "Redemption through Reading" and the
| officials statements are in similar vain. The implications
| are pretty clear.
|
| It's only made worse by how only select people can
| participate. That is on top of Brazil's history of using
| literacy tests for racial discriminatation. As well as their
| current, ineffective mass-incarceration policy (now 3rd
| largest in the world), which as in the US hits indigenous and
| black south americans harder. I don't expect they'll have a
| rich corpus of indigenous literature either.
|
| This is why I am very critical, despite reading a book
| generally hurting nobody. If they truly wanted to keep people
| out of prison they should end their mass incarceration and
| improve inequality, not allow select people (who will be
| almost definitely be disproportionately white) to get out
| easier.
|
| But then again the head of state is an outspoken fan of the
| military dictatorship so that does not seem likely.
| raman162 wrote:
| That is part of the solution, two solutions can co-exist
| that take different angles. A quick Google search showed
| that Brazil's literacy rate is roughly 92% and I would like
| to believe it's something similar in the prison. This
| program sounds like it can help people make good use of
| their time while serving their sentence. They should expand
| this sort of incentive to other forms of education and
| technical programs.
| marcosdumay wrote:
| I imagine the rate is completely different on prison
| populations. But there are literacy programs aimed at
| them in Brazil, those aren't on the news because they
| aren't new. I'm not sure where the GP's revolt comes
| from.
|
| By the way, there exist technical programs for prison
| populations in Brazil too, again those aren't in the news
| because they aren't new.
| ATsch wrote:
| I'd strongly dispute that this is "part of the solution"
| because the forces increasing prison population
| (Bolsenaro ran under "tough on crime" policies) and the
| ones instituting this program are one and the same. That
| is the context this has to be seen in, massive expansion
| of incarceration while making sure a select few get out
| more easily.
| holografix wrote:
| Don't be fooled into believing the literacy rate
| statistics provided by the Brazilian government. For more
| than a decade there's has been a program of food vouchers
| for the poor based on school attendance and improving
| literacy rates.
|
| Guess what happens? No one is failed, everyone is fed.
| crubier wrote:
| "Using literacy tests for racial discrimination".
|
| Look, this is what bothers me with current "wokeism"
| trends. With this reasoning, literally any
| test/course/initiative/whatever will statistically have a
| slight racial/cultural/religious bias because the world and
| its population have such biases. So any positive initiative
| (like this one) which aims at improving lives of everyone
| (including people of color) will be taken down by a
| community or another because it's statistical implication,
| interpreted in a certain way, will mean it will have a
| bias.
|
| But the measure itself is NOT racist! It's discrimination
| based on literacy, not based on race! I understand race and
| literacy have some amount of correlation, but unless this
| correlation is 100%, it means that there are people of
| color which are literate, and white people which are
| illiterate. This measure will benefit people of color in a
| massive way, so why oppose it ?? This makes no sense.
| ATsch wrote:
| These policies were introduced precisely so that people
| like you could defend them as "not racist" while still
| having the same net effect. We have more than ample
| documentation of it to the point that the only reason to
| disagree is deliberate ignorance or historical denialism.
| crubier wrote:
| Ok so you're saying: << Making prisoners read books is
| racist >>.
|
| Don't you realize that this statement is either
| completely delusional or some form of woke nonsensical
| Newspeak?
|
| Let me recap: This initiative only has upsides, no
| downsides. And it has no race distinction. And it
| benefits people across the board, from people of color to
| white people. And in absolute terms it will benefit to
| more people of color than white people (due to the
| demographics of Brazilian prisons). But you think that
| statistically it might benefit proportionally slightly
| more to white people than to people of color, so we
| should stop this initiative (which again, has no downside
| for anyone)?
|
| Man I still think of myself as left wing and progressist,
| but this recent trend of the left, away from
| universalism, and deep into communautarism makes me feel
| more and more estranged...
|
| I don't disagree with your point that reducing mass
| incarceration should also be pursued though, and is more
| impactful.
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| > This initiative only has upsides, no downsides.
|
| Theoretically, it might release someone who the rest of
| the world would have been better off keeping in jail.
| inglor_cz wrote:
| This guy got out of Austrian prison because he could
| write readably, up to the point of being published and
| gaining a lot of support from the usual literary luvvies.
| (I read the book, it was way too self-pitying. Written
| well, but the stench of "everyone was so mean to me and I
| am such a victim" was unbearable.)
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Unterweger
|
| He went on to murder a few more women before being caught
| and sentenced to life. (Hanged himself the same evening.)
| crubier wrote:
| Situation is different here. We talk about reading books
| not writing them. And of a maximum of reducing by 48days
| per year, so a 13% reduction of the sentence of people
| read books continuously, not about releasing people that
| wouldn't have been released anyway.
| crubier wrote:
| They can only gain 48 days per year, so a 13% reduction
| in their sentence if they chain-read books. It might
| release someone slightly earlier, not release someone
| which wouldn't have been released anyway.
| depressedpanda wrote:
| > Ok so you're saying: << Making prisoners read books is
| racist >>.
|
| > Don't you realize that this statement is either
| completely delusional or some form of woke nonsensical
| Newspeak?
|
| Even worse, the whole argument seems based on the premise
| that some races can only learn to read to a lesser
| extent.
|
| I honestly don't understand. You cannot combat racism by
| being a racist.
| [deleted]
| rmsaksida wrote:
| Just to clear up some misconceptions:
|
| > now 3rd largest in the world
|
| It is large and ineffective but it is not the 3rd largest
| in the world if you look at the incarceration rate per
| 100k, which is a more reasonable metric. It is the _19th_
| largest [1].
|
| It bugs me somewhat how people often overlook that Brazil
| is the world's 6th most populous country. Most of Brazil's
| demographics, no matter what they refer to, will rank near
| the top when it comes to absolute numbers.
|
| > hits indigenous and black south americans harder. I don't
| expect they'll have a rich corpus of indigenous literature
| either
|
| 66.7% of the Brazilian prison population are black
| (includes pardos / mixed race), while 32.3% are white. 54%
| of the Brazilian population are black, so the incarceration
| rate is disproportionate for the black population. That is,
| of course, very unfortunate. However, I don't think the
| indigenous are particularly affected - only 1390 indigenous
| Brazilians are in prison in the entire country [4].
|
| A lot of people seem to assume that a significant
| proportion of the Brazilian population is indigenous. That
| is not the case. The number of indigenous Brazilians is
| very small, around 0.47% of the total population. [5]
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inca
| rcera...
|
| [2] https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-
| paulo/noticia/2020/10/19/em-15-a...
|
| [3] https://jornal.usp.br/radio-usp/dados-do-ibge-mostram-
| que-54...
|
| [4] http://antigo.depen.gov.br/DEPEN/depen-publica-
| levantamento-...
|
| [5] https://pib.socioambiental.org/pt/Quantos_s%C3%A3o%3F
| sealeck wrote:
| I am very confused at how it is expected that books are likely to
| reduce crime - we have a very well-read set of criminals
| operating in our world today; they are called white-collar
| criminals, they have gone to the top institutions, they have read
| plenty of books and it does not seemed to have improved the
| virtue of their moral character beyond making their plots more
| audacious.
| friendly_chap wrote:
| Why it might not prevent white collar crimes, I have personally
| seen first hand that people from the lowest classes can easily
| break out of the mold and make a good living if they
| communicate and behave well (at least in my country in Eastern
| Europe).
|
| People are much more likely to trust you with any kind of work.
| sammalloy wrote:
| Books are not likely to reduce crime. In this instance, they
| are highly likely to reduce recidivism. See my post elsewhere
| in this thread for the list of advocates and researchers who
| give well thought out, evidence-based arguments as to how this
| works. For most participants, it involves cultivating
| compassion, empathy, and understanding through storytelling and
| narratology that acts as a kind of simulation.
| planet-and-halo wrote:
| You counterexample would invalidate the idea that there is a
| direct causal mechanism between reading and pro-social
| behavior, but I don't think anyone is arguing that. Some anti-
| social behavior is a consequence of not being able to
| understand and to feel understood by other people. When you
| give people the tools to express themselves (and to understand
| others), it may make it easier for them to get what they want
| and need by talking instead of resorting to violence etc. The
| key here is that this obviously only works for SOME people. Not
| ALL crime can be explained by this idea, obviously.
| guerby wrote:
| French philosopher Bernard Stiegler "an important thinker on the
| effects of digital technology" became a philosopher while
| studying in prison (for robbery):
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Stiegler
|
| He wrote a book about it:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acting_Out_(book)
| janmo wrote:
| At school we had a teacher who tried to make us read 10 books a
| year. You could choose whatever book you wanted, and you had to
| write a small summary. So every one headed to the school library
| and looked for the smallest books available. The most popular
| book that every one read was called something like: "Collection
| of letters from from my Grandfather" and had around 50 to 70
| pages and was very boring. Many also cheated by watching movie
| adaptations of books.
|
| Edit: This was back in the time when you could not go online and
| find dozens of book summaries within minutes.
| planet-and-halo wrote:
| This exact phenomenon is discussed in "Punished by Rewards."
| It's probably one of the best possible ways to train kids that
| reading is no fun, of no benefit to them, and should only be
| done if promised some kind of prize.
| gbrown wrote:
| In elementary school we had something like this - we had to
| read a book from a different genre every month in order to
| earn a food item for the end of year picnic. I was constantly
| reading just science fiction, and ended up with only pickle
| relish, despite reading more than most of the other students.
| I don't think the exercise convinced anyone who wasn't
| already into it that reading is good and fun.
| 908B64B197 wrote:
| That's just... strange.
|
| The correct approach would have been to either leave a
| student reading a lot alone, or to steer him toward other
| genres that are similar to Sci-Fi ("Hey gbrown, this other
| author has a similar style to X I see you enjoy, but it's
| not true sci-fi... you'll see").
| gbrown wrote:
| It was long enough ago that I honestly don't recall
| whether or not the teacher tried that. I may have just
| been stubborn lol.
| [deleted]
| adflux wrote:
| A smart friend of mine proudly stated how little he read in
| high school, and that he has not read a single book since. He
| is 26.
| planet-and-halo wrote:
| Whenever people say that, I feel a little bad because I
| suspect their education failed them. But I also think of
| this Otto von Bismarck quote:
|
| "Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the
| experience of others."
| SlowAndCalm wrote:
| I read a lot of novels in school and not many after.
| Reading is a vital skill but reading novels is not; a
| separation that was never conveyed to me to in school. For
| every great novel I have read, I've read countless more
| terrible novels and there is no greater waste of time than
| reading something terrible. Not reading artfully
| constructed prose has definitely taken a toll on my own
| writing though, as evidenced by this comment!
| hobs wrote:
| Throw a bad book in the trash.
|
| Don't read books you hate, just like you shouldn't
| converse with people that frustrate and anger you.
|
| That being said, a novel is one of the most intimate
| conversations you can have, so don't give up on them
| because you have had bad experiences in the past, find a
| new partner to talk to!
| mastersummoner wrote:
| I find that pretty interesting. I've read a decent number
| of books of being lengths in my life; I'm no great
| reader, but I'm not a particular slouch either. And
| almost every book I've read I found very enjoyable; if I
| didn't, I usually put it down and not pick it up again.
|
| But then, I tend to read stories by authors I already
| know I like, or those that are recommended or otherwise
| considered to be worthwhile reads.
| planet-and-halo wrote:
| The emphasis on literature is definitely part of the
| problem. I was lucky enough to take an AP English
| Language class my senior year of high school, where the
| focus was on short essays and other nonfiction. That's
| what really ignited my love of reading. Before that I did
| enjoy my sci-fi novels, but I was much more of a
| TV/movies/video games person.
| lvxferre wrote:
| Same deal with me, starting from my second year (8yo): write a
| short summary of a book of your choice every school month. On
| my third year however they tweaked the rules slightly, so the
| books must be from different series.
|
| More than a decade later, chatting with one of my former
| teachers, I discovered why they tweaked the rules: because some
| lazy jerkass would pick a book from The Bored Witch illustrated
| series, read it in five minutes, write down the summary, then
| spend the rest of the day reading stuff he wasn't "supposed" to
| read on his own, like Heart of a Dog and The Metamorphosis.
| Because he knew that he wouldn't be able to summary those
| books.
|
| ...in my own defence I really enjoyed The Bored Witch.
| selcuka wrote:
| > Many also cheated by watching movie adaptations of books.
|
| This sounds risky as movie adaptations sometimes wildly differ
| from the original material.
| HarryHirsch wrote:
| At least they got exposure to culture out of it, so it's not
| all bad.
| chongli wrote:
| Now you can search online for the differences between the
| movie adaptation and the book.
| elliekelly wrote:
| When I was in high school in the early 2000s Wikipedia was
| entirely off limits and "unreliable". When we had to read a
| book that had been translated the teacher quickly caught half
| the class cheating because the Wikipedia article spelled the
| main character's name _slightly_ differently than the
| translation we had been assigned to read.
|
| I remember sitting in the library later that day telling a
| friend what had happened in class. I pulled up the Wikipedia
| article only to see it had been updated to say something
| along the lines of "John Doe (or Joe Doe in some
| translations)" and I knew immediately it must have been
| someone from my class who'd made the edit in an effort to
| save other kids from the same fate they had suffered.
| martinpw wrote:
| Maybe it was deliberate word play, but 'their' here refers to the
| prisoners, not the books, in case anyone else misinterpreted this
| headline to imply they were actually editing the books.
| dredmorbius wrote:
| I was hoping to hear of a new _Prisoner 's Digest_ condensed-
| story magazine launch.
| doovd wrote:
| On balance of probability, how likely do you think that the
| their was referring to the prisoners rather than the books? >
| 50% presumably?
| [deleted]
| bigdict wrote:
| Ball and chain except with pencils and highlighters instead of
| picks and shovels.
| sandworm101 wrote:
| Good catch. I didnt read it that way myself but i can see how
| some might.
| superflit wrote:
| As a Brazilian this why we have the largest number of homicides
| and one of highest rate of homicides ->
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...
|
| What boils down is the Narco and crime sponsor policies that
| looks good on paper but on reality is made to free more
| prisoners.
|
| The govt likes it because "feels good" and reduce prisoner
| spending and looks good on UN stats.
|
| Lets by example say that I had a discussion with someone here and
| I killed him.
|
| If I am on the 10% solved murdered case I will be brought to
| justice.
|
| Then criminal justice will come:
|
| 1. Was I caught in "flagrante" (up to 24h after crime)? No? Wait
| for judgment outside or wait for preventive prison;
|
| 2. Do I have a job or a clean record? If yes wait for trial at
| home;
|
| 3. Did I intent to kill? Yes go to trial, Then you may pay some
| damages (very low fees) and community service.
|
| Then comes trial. I am consider Guilty IF ONLY, IF ONLY when ALL
| resources and recurses of law were finished.
|
| It is normal to crimes prescribes after 20 year abusing courts
| but it is the law.
|
| So I lost all recurses and now I am in Jail. The maximum sentence
| is 30 years (Even if I kill 10 people).
|
| I have the right to intimate visit (I can have sex with my
| girlfriend/friend/wife).
|
| If I am studying I can leave to study.
|
| If I work each worked day another one is removed from my
| sentence.
|
| If I read a book too.
|
| Then If I have good "behavior" my sentence is reduced to 1/6.
|
| DO the math -> max 30 /6 -> 5 years - bonus points (book,
| studying) I am free in 2-3 years.
|
| Now check the link I posted above ->
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...
| (click count, rate) Brazil is very humane with criminals but not
| with its victims.
|
| My lower middle class condo has electrified fences, armed guards,
| CCTV, patrols, bullet proof glasses it is like a prison. The
| higher classes have more features.
|
| People with good meaning soul and big heart cannot comprehend
| that some people for whatever reasons feel pleasure in being evil
| and don't care about others life. Then they project their good
| meaning in laws and thus give more power to evil people do more
| evil until they die.
|
| Welcome to "modern laws" for just evolved homo sapiens.
| Kaze404 wrote:
| It's unbelievable that to some, the solution to the high crime
| rate in Brazil is putting more people in jail when a
| significant part of our prison population hasn't even been
| tried for their crimes yet. It's always shocking to read such a
| take, but I am then immediately reminded of the fact that we
| tend to gravitate towards easy answers to complicated problems.
| Hopefully one day you can move past that.
| lvass wrote:
| Could've been phrased better but there's so much truth in this.
| Murder solving rate is actually more like 6%. And indeed
| sentences are normally reduced to 1/6, but not because of good
| behavior, but "regime progression" which technically allows you
| to work outside prison during the day but there's not ever
| enough room in prison for spending the night so you just become
| free.
|
| Take a relatively harsh 12-year sentence for murder. Multiply
| by 6% for the chance you get caught and divide by 6 for regime
| progression. You spend 43.8 days in prison in average. The 6%
| figure includes people who murder in public and don't even try
| to run away. Be a little smarter about it and your sentence is
| effectively zero.
|
| It's pure impunity for criminals. And a harsh life for honest
| people. Not hard to predict the outcome.
| motoboi wrote:
| As a brazilian I can say that you must keep thinking about
| those things and someday you'll understand why your arguments
| are full of prejudice and ignorance.
| superflit wrote:
| Personal attacks are not arguments.
| guiraldelli wrote:
| Would you mind to make a clear counter-argument, so it
| informs all of us what "arguments are full of prejudice and
| ignorance" and why?
|
| I found the arguments very well rounded, with good
| references, sound math, and a window to personal experience
| that reflects the lives of many back in Brazil.
|
| I am not going to pour more anecdotal evidences to reinforce
| the original argument, but there is a widespread problem of
| impunity in Brazil: the low-hanging fruits (known "chicken
| burglars") are severely punished, in my opinion, while the
| extreme cases (both assassins and politicians) are "roaming
| free".
|
| As many things in Brazil, I have the impression that justice
| is only "para ingles ver" (just for the show).
|
| At last, I suspect you might be biased by your own prejudices
| when reading and reasoning on the arguments of superflit.
|
| Thus, I think it is important to neutrally reason and point
| out the flaws of the argumentation, as well as show new
| perspectives, instead of an empty, straw-man attack, full of
| personal sentiment behind it.
| forinti wrote:
| Short tangencial bit of history:
|
| A Brazilian called Paulo Freire came up with a method which
| consists of coming up with a short list of words related to the
| pupils' day-to-day. These words have to cover all the phonemes in
| Portuguese and the pupils would discuss them.
|
| He managed to teach adults to read very quickly. But, as talking
| about your reality was integral to the method, he got into
| trouble with the then military regime.
|
| They threw him into a military jail.
|
| One fine day an officer asked for his help because many of the
| recruits couldn't read.
|
| But that was precisely why he had been thrown into jail!
| ngcazz wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedagogy_of_the_Oppressed
| emersonrsantos wrote:
| Paulo Freire plagiarized the Laubach method, created by the
| protestant missionary Frank Charles Laubach. The method was
| copied by marxists ideologists in Brazil's Pernambuco,
| emphasizing the class struggle. The author of these other
| primers was Paulo Freire, who lent his name to the "new
| methodology" as if it were his own.
| felipeqq2 wrote:
| It is important to notice that this claim is highly disputed.
| Paulo Freire and his methods are frequently attacked by far-
| right politicians and activists in Brazil, and this
| information is definitely politically biased.
| [deleted]
| efleurine wrote:
| Reading is good but asking the writing to be free of corrections
| sounds like a scam
| [deleted]
| dukeofdoom wrote:
| I read "The 48 Laws of Power", after reading that its very
| popular in prisons. I liked the book, can recommend. Would be
| interesting to know what else they're reading. I imagine
| prisoners are much more well read then the average population,
| and live with violence. Would be interesting to know their taste
| in books.
| bob229 wrote:
| Abolish prisons. Let all the paedos out
| [deleted]
| whoaisme wrote:
| What a mockery of justice. Can't wait until the bleeding hearts
| in the usa implement this policy stateside. Seeing as we are
| getting rid of bail because reality is racist why not just
| eliminate prisons entirely.
| hahamrfunnyguy wrote:
| Back in my day, we read books for free pizza. I don't know if
| they accomplished what they wanted or exactly what it was that
| they were trying to accomplish. I read quite a bit of non-fiction
| but very little fiction, with the exception of when I am
| traveling.
|
| Learning whether it's done through hands on experience, reading
| or watching/listening is a good thing.
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