[HN Gopher] Sad Little Men: Assessing the impact of an elite edu...
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Sad Little Men: Assessing the impact of an elite education
Author : jkuria
Score : 31 points
Date : 2021-08-27 20:12 UTC (2 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (www.economist.com)
| neonate wrote:
| https://archive.is/XXQKO
| tharne wrote:
| The Economist used to be a very independent-minded publication.
| It's sad to see them chasing the same clickbait trend-chasing
| garbage that you see on most second-rate news sites.
| jjulius wrote:
| This is a book review, and the title of this post is the title
| of the book. Did you stop there, not read the article and make
| a gigantically incorrect assumption, or are you willing to
| explain how this is clickbait?
| nomy99 wrote:
| Is the book review not behind the paywall?
| jjulius wrote:
| I did not have a paywall.
| nomy99 wrote:
| I did.
| jjulius wrote:
| Are you suggesting that that makes it clickbait?
|
| Again, the headline that appears on HN is _not_ the title
| of the article as it appears on The Economist 's site. On
| the website, it is "Britain's private schools are
| lambasted in Richard Beard's book". The user who
| submitted this to HN chose to submit this with the book
| title as the headline.
|
| There's usually a layer of deception or over-
| sensationalism of some kind involved in order for it to
| be clickabit, and simply being behind a paywall doesn't
| qualify as clickbait. My point is that The Economist is
| not guilty of that in this instance, and OP is incorrect
| to blame them for as much.
| oenetan wrote:
| https://ghostarchive.org/archive/cYwup
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| https://archive.is/XXQKO
| casefields wrote:
| Why are you spending so much time advertising your Ghost
| Archive when you've disabled it?
|
| >Archiving webpages are temporarily disabled.
| oenetan wrote:
| That's a question for the owner, which is not me.
|
| It was enabled before and he let me keep using it for HN
| purposes when he had to disable it.
| 123pie123 wrote:
| I've heard the author give a really interesting interview on
| radio 4 about his book - I've not read it though
|
| but i find it equally frustrating and fascinating as a person
| with a northern accent from an extremely working class
| background. watching, listening and interacting with various
| people from many backgrounds. i don't hate or dislike people who
| have been to public schools - in fact after many drunken nights
| out talking people who have been in them, i often pity them
|
| (based on my experience) the class system is not only alive in
| the UK, it's still massively thriving. Including a massive amount
| of stereotyping - not sure if this is higher or lower in the uk,
| but it seems to rule some peoples lives here (often people who
| percieve themselves as superior)
|
| <I've deleted much ranting here - yes I've been drinking>
|
| but tl;dr I think unless the uk (or any country for that matter)
| wants to progress as a nation - public schools should be
| outlawed. they're made/ designed (with the class system) to allow
| rich people to give their offspring highly paid influential jobs
| no matter what their ability is - at the expense of the nation as
| a whole.
|
| edit: I expect to get downvoted by varous people for saying this
| - please give a reply instead of just down voting
| johnNumen wrote:
| Here is Orwell's essay about his time at a public school, "Such,
| Such Were the Joys." I, an American, had had a romantic view of
| these schools for years, after reading Harry Potter as a
| youngster. Reading this essay disabused me of my enchanted castle
| imaginings. It also speaks more generally of the cruelty of the
| old ways of thinking about children and sexuality.
|
| https://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/joys/english/e_joys
| kazinator wrote:
| > _This argument is far from original; lambasting public schools
| for tormenting their inmates and ruining the country is one of
| Britain's oldest traditions._
|
| Pink Floyd's _The Wall_ , anyone?
|
| > _The author also makes good use of his own [1970 's] memories
| at Radley College. The school was trapped in the past, both the
| 1940s and 1950s--playground games were an endless fight against
| the Germans_
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| No different from 1970's Czechoslovakia playgrounds.
|
| We're talking only 30 years after a big, devastating war; it held
| a lot of cultural influence.
|
| If we look at television and film related to WWII:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_films_and_TV_speci...
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| still plenty of action into the 2000's.
| anm89 wrote:
| Good to see that the economist has gone full click bait. Is an ad
| hominem really the best title they could muster?
| jldugger wrote:
| > This article appeared in the Books & arts section of the
| print edition under the headline "Noblesse disoblige"
| ryanmetz wrote:
| It's a book review of a book by that title.
| glaucon wrote:
| >In England and Wales private schools are confusingly known as
| "public schools"
|
| This is is flat out wrong and I'm amazed to see it written in a
| British publication.
|
| There are plenty of definitions of what a "public school" is but
| I've never previously heard of anyone suggesting that it's just a
| private school.
|
| I'm not going to get into how you define a public school but most
| people would agree these are : Charterhouse, Eton, Harrow, Rugby,
| Shrewsbury, Westminster and Winchester and that while there might
| be one or two other contenders there certainly aren't many. Just
| to be clear there are many hundreds of private schools in the UK
| beside these few.
|
| If you're interested to know more the wikipedia page for Public
| Schools
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_school_(United_Kingdom)
| gives the background, in particular the passage relating to the
| Clarendon Commission.
| luxpir wrote:
| I'd honestly be more interested to hear about the issue proposed
| at the end of the article.
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