[HN Gopher] Apple workers collecting stories of abuse, injustice...
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       Apple workers collecting stories of abuse, injustice in workplace
        
       Author : pier25
       Score  : 70 points
       Date   : 2021-08-23 18:24 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | 4e530344963049 wrote:
       | https://trimread.org/articles/406
        
       | exBarrelSpoiler wrote:
       | It's high time this has happened. Certain large tech companies
       | with abusive cultures have been open secrets for years (Ballmer-
       | era stack ranked Microsoft, PIP culture at Amazon). But Apple's
       | secretive, authoritarian nature has kept it under wraps for
       | decades.
       | 
       | Apple is a huge corporation and there is a large degree of
       | variation within it. But when things are toxic there, they can
       | get very toxic. Middle managers can have a lot of leeway there,
       | and HR is about as powerless as you can imagine. There is not
       | much room for dissent against decisions there, forget "think
       | different". The product schedule is all-important and can also be
       | very stressful to work under. It's a situation that Apple
       | employees can only sympathize with one another, but not much
       | else.
        
         | MattGaiser wrote:
         | HR is useless, managers have lots of power, and not a lot of
         | room for dissent with high pressure deadlines just sounds like
         | a typical company.
        
       | lp0_on_fire wrote:
       | > On Monday, company employees launched a Twitter account called
       | Apple Workers to gather stories from colleagues about workplace
       | issues such as "persistent patterns of racism, sexism, inequity,
       | discrimination, intimidation, suppression, coercion, abuse,
       | unfair punishment, and unchecked privilege."
       | 
       | It would not surprise me if this kind of behavior was happening
       | at apple given what we've heard about some other large tech
       | companies recently but when you use terms like "inequity" and
       | "unchecked privilege" it taints the argument, imo.
       | 
       | > We've exhausted all internal avenues. We've talked with our
       | leadership. We've gone to the People team. We've escalated
       | through Business Conduct. Nothing has changed," the announcement
       | read. "It's time to Think Different."
       | 
       | Discrimination, intimidation, suppression, coercion, abuse,
       | unfair punishment. All of that is actionable in the US under
       | current labor laws. Why instead of going to regulators are they
       | releasing press statements?
        
       | valparaiso wrote:
       | Why can't Apple just fire them?
        
       | PartiallyTyped wrote:
       | Relevant: https://appletoo.us/
       | 
       | And respective HN discussion:
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28280134
        
       | MattGaiser wrote:
       | I have never worked for a mega corp, so maybe this question is
       | stupid, but how much can a company have a single culture?
       | 
       | As even in my 80 person company, you will have radically
       | different experiences depending on the team.
        
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         | arodgers_la wrote:
         | Entire industries can have a single culture.
        
         | chickenpotpie wrote:
         | I work for a FAANG company. In my experience the only corporate
         | culture that stays from team to team is the one that's
         | specifically established by executives. I've switched teams and
         | it's like working at a whole new company in some aspects, but
         | it's like I didn't even change teams in others.
        
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