[HN Gopher] First U.S. Covid deaths came earlier than previously...
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First U.S. Covid deaths came earlier than previously thought
Author : nradov
Score : 34 points
Date : 2021-08-23 16:18 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| entropicdrifter wrote:
| My mom had a bad case of "bronchitis" in late 2019, had to buy
| herself a nebulizer. In hindsight it's seeming increasingly
| likely it was COVID
| ianhawes wrote:
| I want to share an anecdote that I've told countless times in
| person.
|
| My 1 year old daughter came down with a bizarre rash on New Years
| Eve in 2019. We took her to a pediatric urgent care where they
| diagnosed her with a viral rash (not uncommon, anyone with kids
| is probably familiar). Some Tylenol did the trick and she was
| fine.
|
| Two days later we followed up with her doctor, who did a full
| exam and did not identify anything in particular. The next day,
| she was acting lethargic and had a slight fever. Nothing we
| hadn't dealt with before. That night though, things took a turn
| for the worst. She began vomiting heavily and had a febrile
| seizure which prompted us to call 911 and they transported her to
| the ER.
|
| There, her temperature was 103 and they immediately administered
| medication. A chest x-ray showed she had developed pneumonia in
| one of her lungs.
|
| The next day when we were finally discharged from the hospital, I
| realized I too had developed a terrible fever which soon turned
| into a cough. My daughter had rapidly improved after treatment
| for the pneumonia, while I was suffering from a terrible cough.
| Laying in bed, I became delusional with a high fever, sweating
| through everything I wore, and went to the ER twice over the span
| of 4 days with shortness of breath. My sense of smell and taste
| was gone. I had a residual cough for about 2 weeks after.
|
| You're probably thinking, wow, you and your daughter had COVID-19
| in January of 2020. And you'd most likely be wrong. We both had
| RSV, confirmed through rapid testing. I was tested later in 2020
| for the COVID-19 antibodies, and nothing popped up.
|
| Take that into account when people say they had COVID in early
| 2020.
| mring33621 wrote:
| Our pediatrician's husband died unexpectedly in Nov. 2019 of an
| unknown disease with sudden, flu-like symptoms. This was in
| Chicago. I have no more information as to whether he traveled or
| anything else.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| I just looked again at the papers about Pfizer trials, and the
| severe adverse events after the vaccine were 0.6%. Many would
| surely call that number non-negligible. Unfortunately for the
| desire for clarity, the severe adverse events after the placebo
| were a too close 0.5%.
|
| Yesterday during a normal call with a friend, he mentioned that
| one acquaintance of his got leukaemia, four weeks after vaccine
| injection. That leukaemia is real, the relation with the
| vaccine doubtful.
|
| This whole sars-cov-2 infestation came during a loud noise of
| other adverse events, many unrelated... The normal loud noise
| of adverse events.
|
| One may suspect, but cannot point to virus or vaccine for
| anything that happens.
| hamburgerwah wrote:
| Anyone paying attention at the time had this information. There
| is an incredible rewriting of history being attempted. There was
| a lot of sound evidence that covid started in november or earlier
| in china and that it leaked from a lab (based on the lockdown and
| sequestering of lab personnel in december). Any one pointing out
| those facts in jan/feb/mar was decried as a nut, racist and
| conspiracy theorist. The earliest random serologic testing in the
| washington and oregon area plainly showed that covid had been
| circulating for some time.
|
| Somehow people also seem to like to forget that non-covid SARS
| leaked out of the beijing bio-lab at least twice resulting in
| deaths: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7096887/
|
| Which they attempted to cover up as well.
| redis_mlc wrote:
| 1) NTD Media and Sky Australia have about 100 hours of video
| online documenting early corona (2020). (They simply ignored
| the wokeists.)
|
| 2) Bay Area hospitals were not busy in 2020, indicating early
| herd immunity. That's because 100,000 passengers from China
| arrived weekly in the US, with half in SFO and LAX.
|
| Note that the CCP is again restricting domestic flights because
| of delta, yet sending flights to the US.
| La1n wrote:
| >and that it leaked from a lab (based on the lockdown and
| sequestering of lab personnel in december).
|
| You say "sound evidence" and then name some circumstantial
| evidence. This is similar types of evidence used for the "Fort
| Detrick origin" story. It was shut down in August 2019 for
| safety violations, and the Wuhan military games "could be" how
| it spread to China.
| j_walter wrote:
| Despite that fact...the seemingly bought and paid for WHO
| were still claiming in late January that there was no person
| to person transmission. That stopped the US from doing any
| sort of checks of any sort and life went on...all the while
| the virus was spreading all over the country.
| mikem170 wrote:
| As far as I know at that time they had no proof of person
| to person transmission. There are many coronaviruses in the
| wild, across many animal hosts, some can hop from person to
| person, some cannot. Many/most medical professionals did
| they same - stuck to the evidence and refused to
| hypothesize.
|
| Why do you say the WHO are bought and paid for? Do you have
| any real evidence of that?
| ngcc_hk wrote:
| Depends upon what is evidence, what is influence, what is
| not allow ... and do not hypothesise ! The whole science
| is based on doing hypotheses. And imagining something not
| allowed or again st established thinking based on fact on
| the ground. Who has not. Medical journal has not. It
| killed us ...
| j_walter wrote:
| China refused to let the WHO in and do actual
| investigative work. Instead they took China's word for it
| and repeated whatever they said as fact. China covered up
| the spread of the disease and instead tried to hide it.
| The fact that the WHO doesn't recognize Taiwan (like
| there is no such place) and refused to act on information
| they had saying there was problems in Wuhan because China
| won't let them.
|
| https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/17/trumps
| -fa...
|
| >That same day, the Taiwan Centers for Disease Control
| said it sent an email to the WHO regarding rumors of at
| least "seven cases of atypical pneumonia," which it said
| is code in China for "a disease transmitted between
| humans caused by coronavirus."
|
| Taiwan is not a member of the WHO, and the WHO says the
| email never mentioned human-to-human transmission.
| "Public health professionals could discern from this
| wording that there was a real possibility of human-to-
| human transmission of the disease," the Taiwan CDC
| argues. "However, because at the time there were as yet
| no cases of the disease in Taiwan, we could not state
| directly and conclusively that there had been human-to-
| human transmission."
|
| Apparently, Taiwanese officials had been alerted to Dec.
| 30 posts in a chat room by a doctor, Li Wenliang, in
| which he said that seven cases he had been treating
| resembled severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, a
| deadly form of coronavirus. Li was reprimanded by the
| Chinese government for illegally spreading rumors. He
| later died of covid-19, the disease caused by the novel
| coronavirus.
| spfzero wrote:
| Taiwan actually rounded up tourists from the mainland and
| sent them back home, then locked down travel for all.
| They took it seriously from the start, ignored what the
| WHO and CCP were saying. I don't doubt there were many
| more reports from Taiwanese on the mainland, over just
| the posts by Li.
| thatswrong0 wrote:
| https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-
| theory-...
|
| It's not a conspiracy theory.
| akvadrako wrote:
| It's likely true but it's still a conspiracy theory because
| it involves multiple parties conspiring in secret.
| sillycross wrote:
| I skimmed your article but I don't see any "sound evidence"
| proposed in the article either.
|
| The line between "conspiracy theory" and "a theoretically
| possible hypothesis that can neither be proven nor ruled
| out" is kind of murky for me, but if you are claiming
| "there are sound evidence that COVID comes from a lab
| leak", then you cannot support your argument by only citing
| "space for reasonable doubts" (which is what your article
| said).
| Urgo wrote:
| There is a major difference in tracking its origins which
| pretty much no one disputed was China vs calling it the "China
| virus" or "Kung Flu". The former is matter of fact and allows
| for greater discussion of whether it was natural or leaked from
| a lab. The later can be easily seen and was used towards not
| only the government of China but also Chinese Americans. Many
| Asian Americans, including children, were scared for their
| lives due this.
|
| In short, its not racist to say covid19 originated in China or
| think a lab leak is a likely possibility that needs a much
| better investigation or even to think that the Chinese
| government might be covering it up. It is racist to call it the
| "China virus" or "Kung Flu" and treat people who had absolutely
| nothing to do with its origins wrongly.
| xtracto wrote:
| Is it racist to call the Spanish flu the "Spanish Flu"?
| paulryanrogers wrote:
| Technically? Either way it's a lazy name since it was
| traced to the Midwest US.
|
| IMO year based names (like the 1918 pandemic) are better
| still since even if they emerged sooner the undeniable
| historical impact is likely within a year or so of its
| recognition.
| blagie wrote:
| No. It wasn't. The flu of 1918 was never successfully
| traced back. There are multiple possible origins (by
| coincidence, including China).
|
| We'll probably never know.
|
| https://www.history.com/news/china-epicenter-of-1918-flu-
| pan...
| alisonkisk wrote:
| Yes, it's just less obvious since it's old.
|
| And "Spanish flu" is called that because the Spanish
| discovered it, not because it was based in Spain. But most
| people didn't realize that then or now.
| thepangolino wrote:
| What about the Ebola virus? Is that racist too? If not,
| why?
| jleyank wrote:
| My wife and I travelled to London UK and surrounding areas late
| 2019 and came back with a viral pneumonia that had various COVID
| symptoms. No blood samples kept and serology tested showed
| nothing 6+ months later. There are late 2019 cases suspected in
| the UK and France in the last quarter of that year, based on
| saved blood samples.
|
| Lots of tourists from all over the world go there for shopping
| and the universities and tourism. Big crowds.
| nradov wrote:
| Antibody tests can be negative in some cases because people
| don't always produce detectible levels. You might want to get a
| T-detect test, although it still isn't 100% reliable at
| identifying past infections.
|
| https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavi...
| rich_sasha wrote:
| My wife had a nasty viral pneumonia around Dec 2019, was
| subsequently healthy, and tested positive for antibodies in the
| summer 2020. Around Jan 2020 my daughter had a strange disease,
| with blistering in her hands - perhaps "Covid fingers"?
|
| Anecdotes aside,I think it is fairly unambiguous that it was
| going around by then.
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