[HN Gopher] Cyber Attack, Possible Serious Breach, at U.S. State...
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Cyber Attack, Possible Serious Breach, at U.S. State Department
Author : BrianOnHN
Score : 59 points
Date : 2021-08-21 20:29 UTC (2 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (twitter.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (twitter.com)
| zepto wrote:
| I would like to see this corroborated somewhere other than in
| tweets from a fox news correspondent.
| bsenftner wrote:
| As long as it's only Faux News and just tweets... sure, ya,
| sure... <eyes roll>
| mark_l_watson wrote:
| I would also. Still, I stand by my other comment in this thread
| that much more resources need to be devoted to cybersecurity
| and stem education - regardless if this particular story is
| true or not.
| pengaru wrote:
| Well, there's this:
|
| https://news.yahoo.com/u-state-department-recently-hit-20404...
|
| > Without confirming any incident, a knowledgeable source told
| Reuters the State Department has not experienced significant
| disruptions and has not had its operations impeded in any way.
|
| not worth much
| elliekelly wrote:
| This is an impressive non-answer. It provides a fair bit of
| reassuring detail while saying absolutely nothing of value of
| at all. Was there a cyber attack? Wasn't there? Either way
| this answer looks good when mentioned in an article and is
| (hopefully) truthful while admitting nothing.
| [deleted]
| mark_l_watson wrote:
| I have seen the cost per day of being in Afghanistan as $300
| million, each day, for 20 years.
|
| While that greatly increased stock price for defense contractors,
| there seems in retrospect to be little other value for that
| money.
|
| More of that tax money should have been devoted to cybersecurity,
| stem education, and even physical infrastructure that would
| safeguard water and food supply.
|
| I am not naive, I understand that both political parties are
| controlled by corporate/Wall Street interests. Still, you would
| hope that our elected officials could perhaps accept fewer
| kickbacks and function more in the interests of the American tax
| payer and not serve those financial interests who pay to get them
| elected and control them.
|
| Really a sad situation. President Eisenhower was a good guy, and
| he nailed it when he warned the American public about the
| military industrial complex.
|
| /rant
| mlosgoodat wrote:
| Meanwhile, the people of the country "by, of, and for the
| people..." stroll into corpo HQ and login every day.
|
| You don't HAVE to commit code to a git repo they control.
|
| The socio-political reality isn't like 100 years ago.
|
| As soon as Wall Street is seriously threatened by a worker
| related revolt, laws change.
|
| Keep the laptop shut and DON'T "job from home" (work is not the
| same as a social job).
|
| But come now, let's all coalesce around a VC incubators forum
| instead.
|
| If the US is truly a nation of free people, why do they keep
| doing as they are told?
| FpUser wrote:
| >"If the US is truly a nation of free people, why do they
| keep doing as they are told?"
|
| It is not and it never was. It is relatively better than some
| others. that is all about it. Not a single country can claim
| what you just said.
| l332mn wrote:
| Over a 100 years ago this was part of Lenins analysis of
| capitalism, and the closely connected aspect of imperialism,
| both military and economic. This is not new, it has been a
| central part of a Marxist (in particular Marxism Leninism)
| understanding of the world in its economic expression long
| before it became obvious to Eisenhower.
|
| The value of that money is the continued global class
| oppression by the international financial bourgeoisie, and the
| US-lead western hegemony.
|
| The Afghanistan stalemate served several purposes as I see it.
|
| 1) To funnel money to the military industrial complex.
|
| 2) To contain China's Belt and Road initiative.
|
| 3) To maintain an active military presence in oil producing
| regions in order to dominate and control trade and to ensure
| supply (same for Iraq and Libya).
| neartheplain wrote:
| If only Brezhnev had listened. Or were you talking about the
| American invasion?
| l332mn wrote:
| America's invasion. BRI wasn't a thing back then. Also, the
| USSR was invited by the Afghanistan government to contain a
| rebellion, it wasn't an aggressive (imperialist) invasion.
| neartheplain wrote:
| My comment was sarcastic. Your points about the
| imperialist "Afghanistan stalemate" fit the Soviets
| equally well with only minor modifications.
| l332mn wrote:
| How? The planned economic system of USSR means that
| wartime production is a net economic loss serving no
| financial purpose. In contrast with the capitalist
| system, where war serves as a basis for the transfer of
| capital to the war profiteers, i.e. the national
| bourgeoisie. The comparison is invalid.
| nicoffeine wrote:
| Through 2050, the cost could be closer to 6.5 trillion in
| interest alone for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is
| the first set of wars that were not funded by raising the top
| tax rate. Our grandchildren will be paying for for these
| mistakes long after the architects of this catastrophe are
| dead.
|
| "Overall, the U.S.' net interest costs -- payments the federal
| government sends to investors and public debt holders minus
| interest it collects -- are rising. That includes the interest
| on borrowing to fund the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Net
| interest is projected to widen to 2.7% of GDP in 2031, up from
| 1.3% in 2024, according to a July report by the nonpartisan
| Congressional Budget Office." [1]
|
| As a point of reference, we spent 2.5% of GDP for a decade to
| pay for the Apollo missions.
|
| [1] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/afghanistan-iraq-wars-
| debt-6-tr...
| gruez wrote:
| [deleted]
| someperson wrote:
| Your plot shows the MSCI Aerospace/Defence index did far
| better than the S&P 500.
| stefan_ wrote:
| This doesn't seem to show what you think it does at all.
| samvega_ wrote:
| Does that account for the extraction of dividends?
| s5300 wrote:
| > cybersecurity, stem education, and even physical
| infrastructure that would safeguard water and food supply.
|
| ...But then there would be less people dumb enough to not raise
| issue to the provoking of non-stop wars that funnel money into
| the military industrial complex
|
| They're not going to work against their own interest, you
| surely know.
| pessimizer wrote:
| Imperial overstretch is what happens when suppliers to the
| military become so powerful that they get to decide when to go
| to and when to withdraw from war. Their motivation is to keep
| fighting and to never actually win. Eventually it unwinds like
| a ponzi scheme.
| taurath wrote:
| The list of things we could have achieved with that money is
| what is the most distressing.
|
| Make a countrywide high speed rail system.
|
| Universal free preschool
|
| Universal free college
|
| Paid off half the mortgages in the US
|
| The list goes on and on. Let nobody say we don't have money for
| improvements to our society.
| misiti3780 wrote:
| Why would the US government pay off peoples mortgages? Surely
| you don't think that is viable thing to spend public money
| on?
|
| To be clear, I think the other ideas are great, except that
| one.
| gruez wrote:
| > Why would the US government pay off peoples mortgages?
| Surely you don't think that is viable thing to spend public
| money on?
|
| Yeah that's a dumb idea. All that would do is cause houses
| to be even more expensive.
| taurath wrote:
| I'm not saying it should by any means, only to appreciate
| the sheer scale. There are of course way better ideas.
| FpUser wrote:
| >"Universal free college"
|
| This would greatly increase the amount of critically thinking
| population. I do not think it lines up well with what the
| government and elites want.
| beamatronic wrote:
| Here's the good news though: This proves that money is
| imaginary, and we should print up as much as we want, and do
| these things (in your list).
| taurath wrote:
| Money is a social construct. We create money for investment
| every day. Investing in the population creates returns in
| tax revenue. You open opportunities for wealth creation by
| putting down roads and train stations and modes of
| commerce.
| listenallyall wrote:
| Why is the govt (i.e., taxpayers) paying off a mortgage good
| for society? And if you later sell the house, do you keep the
| money, or pay back what the govt paid? Who benefits from the
| enormous appreciation (if the govt will be paying off the
| mortgage, why not offer $5 million for a typical 3br?)?
| glitchcrab wrote:
| I don't think they meant that the government should
| actually do this, it was just to indicate the scale.
| nickff wrote:
| I think it's a bit naive to expect that a government which
| wasted a huge sum of money would have achieved great things
| with that money if not but for that one event. A more realistic
| assessment would be that they'd just waste it a different way.
| beamatronic wrote:
| Let's waste it in a way that educates people, feeds them, and
| provides for their basic health care needs.
| hoppyhoppy2 wrote:
| https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1429173367643516936.html
| HenryKissinger wrote:
| After the fallout of the SolarWinds hack, and the situation in
| Afghanistan, I'm afraid I don't want to know the answer to the
| question of what the climate is like inside the State Department
| at the moment.
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