[HN Gopher] Janet Programming Language
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Janet Programming Language
Author : rcarmo
Score : 212 points
Date : 2021-08-21 08:01 UTC (15 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (janet-lang.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (janet-lang.org)
| andi999 wrote:
| So what is it good for?
|
| Edit:maybe my comment was too short, but for me it is important
| to know what problem a new language solves (better). And I
| seriously think the landing page does not explain it well/at all.
| I mean like: D is C++ done right with garbage collection (and of
| course expand from there). Zig and Rust are safe languages and
| aim to replace C (with different strategies). And of course more
| than one sentence.
|
| So if anybody knows what problem Janet lang solves, pls enlighten
| me.
| masklinn wrote:
| The home page does happen to have everything necessary: it has
| a basic examples, a few blurbs, and a "use cases" explanation:
|
| > Janet makes a good system scripting language, or a language
| to embed in other programs. Think Lua or Guile. Janet also can
| be used for rapid prototyping, dynamic systems, and other
| domains where dynamic languages shine.
|
| I could see the sections reordered, but it's hard to really
| fault this home page, it's pretty terse yet quite complete.
|
| The biggest issue I have with it is the first-time reader is
| hit by the community / contribution bits before even knowing
| what the language is about. A two-columns layout would probably
| be useful there. And while having a basic in-page repl is nice,
| improving the discoverability of the language through it (e.g.
| providing autocompletion and inline help) would be neat.
| andi999 wrote:
| I disagree. 'Think Lua' is not an good explanation. I mean if
| I want Lua, I use Lua.
| masklinn wrote:
| > 'Think Lua' is not an good explanation.
|
| Do you have reading comprehension issues that you mistake
| examples for explanations and are blind to the actual
| explanations surrounding the examples?
|
| > I mean if I want Lua, I use Lua.
|
| That I know about Lua doesn't mean I want Lua. Hell, that I
| wanted lua in the past doesn't mean I'm closed to replacing
| it with something else. Given how well-known Lua is in the
| space, "think lua" is a rather good example.
| andi999 wrote:
| Who knows? But could you point exactly to where it says
| why I should care about this language? Let's say I want
| to convince a cto to adopt it, what would be the edge one
| could/would gain? Maybe it has some exceptional
| libraries? Or GC pauses are deterministic, or whatever.
|
| I mean this landing page is/should be their 2 minutes
| sales pitch.
| jdmoreira wrote:
| It's not like they are trying to sell anything. And who
| cares what your CTO wants to adopt?
|
| Some people simply enjoy computers and are not looking
| for external validation.
|
| Spin up your jvm/.net bloatware and code yet another CRUD
| application and leave us alone.
| [deleted]
| lightbendover wrote:
| The way people are coming out of the woodwork to
| aggressively dismiss someone asking about why they would
| use Janet over other alternatives makes it pretty
| apparent that there is nothing novel about this language,
| no reason to learn yet another scripting in a sea of
| choices, and a lot of over-invested individuals. You
| people are everything wrong with tech.
| jdmoreira wrote:
| It's the most voted submission on HN right now. We gather
| here because we like this stuff. And here you are wasting
| your time accusing us of being everything that's wrong
| with tech.
|
| The thing you fail to understand is that we aren't in
| this for the money or the validation or the status. We
| simply like fiddling with computers, languages, etc.
|
| Computers were my hobby way before they were my job.
| IncRnd wrote:
| It's great that you like playing with computers,
| languages, etc. Nobody is minimizing that. But, many
| people who see a new computer language want to know what
| is unique about it.
|
| It is completely valid to ask, "why should I use Janet
| (the language)?" Many people are familiar with or expert
| with many programming paradigms and have written their
| own DSLs or general purpose languages. Others are expert
| in fields that intersect with languages and want to know
| if there is specific applicability to their domain.
|
| Seeing a new language that doesn't solve a unique problem
| or solve a problem in a novel way is often a complete
| non-starter. For that reason, many people expect a page
| on a new language to state the purpose of the language,
| even if the purpose is, "I wanted to play with writing a
| langauge." That's cool, too.
|
| I'm pretty sure that is why several people have asked
| that question.
| detaro wrote:
| > _It is completely valid to ask, "why should I use Janet
| (the language)?_
|
| Note that that isn't the question they started with (and
| would likely have provoked a different response).
| Perceived tone matters very much with a one-sentence
| question.
| andi999 wrote:
| That is exactly what I had in mind. Thank you for putting
| it so clearly.
| IncRnd wrote:
| I'm glad it helped convey what you also had in mind.
| galfarragem wrote:
| FWIW, Janet's creator previous project was Fennel[0], a
| lisp that compiles to Lua.
|
| [0] https://github.com/bakpakin/Fennel
| andi999 wrote:
| Thanks. I think for this lang the pitch is pretty clear,
| it looks like fennel is lisp for Lua libs (like clojure
| is lisp for Java) in a nutshell.
| codesections wrote:
| Though note that the Fennel repo is now at
| https://sr.ht/~technomancy/fennel/
| ojeda wrote:
| > Zig and Rust are safe languages
|
| Zig is a nice improvement over C, but it is not safe.
|
| There is work in progress
| (https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/2301), but from what I
| can tell, key details are still to be decided, including the
| classes of errors that will be covered, whether they will
| require runtime tracking, etc.
|
| In my opinion, Zig should look into becoming UB-less -- listing
| undefined behavior instances like the C standard does or
| enabling safety only in some build modes is not enough.
| elcritch wrote:
| Exactly! Zig is an improvement over C in many areas, but it's
| fundamentally still _not_ a memory safe language. It's
| comparable to a modern C/C++ project setup with valgrind and
| allocator checks by default. The comptime is nice, but C++17
| and upwards have dramatically improved the "comp time"
| compiling in C++.
| yumaikas wrote:
| Janet's biggest draw for me _was_ it 's PEG engine and API.
| That is still excellent.
|
| But I'd say the biggest draw for me now is that Janet has a lot
| made a lot of choices I agree with.
|
| It's language that boots up very quickly, makes for easy
| building of CLI tools, compiles to statically linked
| executables, has full compile-time metaprogramming (Lisp
| style), and can interface with C libraries very easily.
|
| It doesn't solve any particular novel problem better outside of
| PEGs, but it makes a lot of the _right_ decisions. And, being a
| Lisp-like, it also gives enough expressive power to help you
| build things your way, if you want.
|
| Most of that probably appeals to folks who a) have been
| programming for a while b) don't hate parens c) Are ok forging
| in untread territory
|
| Janet isn't something I'd build a business on, not quite yet,
| but it has been a very, very satisfying hobby, and I've written
| a lot of small tools in it, more than Nim or Go during my times
| with either of those.
| fasfsafsa wrote:
| janet, natalie, julia ...
| mrkramer wrote:
| Are they naming programming languages after their girlfriends
| and wives? :)
| raffraffraff wrote:
| ...or themselves, you sexist!
|
| (I jest. Three times, in fact.)
| mrkramer wrote:
| I forgot about that sorry. I know only of COBOL that is
| made by women all other programming languages are pretty
| much made by men.
| IncRnd wrote:
| Smalltalk was definitely created by women (and men, too).
| That has affected many other languages, including
| objective-c.
| elondaits wrote:
| Ada is named after a (the first) programmer... not
| somebody's wife, daughter or sister.
| andi999 wrote:
| There seems to be a slight controversy https://www.bbvaop
| enmind.com/en/technology/visionaries/ada-l...
|
| (don't ask me how reliable that source is)
| IlliOnato wrote:
| It's very interesting, thanks for the link!
|
| But it does not change the point. People who created Ada
| believed that Ada Lovelice was the first programmer and
| named the language after her. So it's not named after
| "somebody's girlfriend". The fact that they were probably
| mistaken does not change this. It she was brilliant
| anyway, even if not the first programmer.
| ModernMech wrote:
| Some of the earliest languages were made by women, as
| women were the original (human) computers and then the
| first programmers.
| mrkramer wrote:
| Yea true, I know they worked in Telephone Exchanges[1]
| but both women and men mathematicians were first
| "computers" for example Alan Turing[2].
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_exchange
|
| [2]
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptanalysis_of_the_Enigma
| jstx1 wrote:
| https://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Charles/Stefan-Karpinski-
| and...
|
| 18:52
| iddan wrote:
| In an interview with InfoWorld in April 2012, Karpinski said
| of the name "Julia": "There's no good reason, really. It just
| seemed like a pretty name."[
| skohan wrote:
| At least that's what he told his wife
| arunix wrote:
| Somehow I had thought it was named after Gaston Julia.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaston_Julia
| Crestwave wrote:
| Janet is a reference to The Good Place
| https://github.com/janet-lang/janet#why-is-it-called-janet
| ModernMech wrote:
| Huh, I thought given the logo it was a reference to Janet
| Jetson.
| [deleted]
| masklinn wrote:
| That's a weird language. At first glance it looks like a hyper-
| imperative lisp (except turns out it doesn't Process LISts).
| yumaikas wrote:
| It is little weird, but it's also _really_ fun to work with, if
| you 're doing things that don't need to ship yesterday.
|
| Working with Janet has deepened my knowledge of the Win32 APIs,
| for example, because it makes writing small bits of C for
| interacting with them about as easy as that can be.
|
| I also like how it makes data structures and functions look the
| same in terms of access, and how it handles nil.
| schpaencoder wrote:
| I guess it's easy to parse, and excellent for macros!
| galfarragem wrote:
| It's dead easy to get started. If you want to spend an hour
| playing with a "lisp" you're only a small download away.
| Clojure could learn a thing of two from this..
|
| It's also not dogmatic. You can use mutable and immutable
| versions of the same data structure.
|
| Docs are concise: https://janet-lang.org/docs/index.html
|
| Full API is here: https://janet-lang.org/api/index.html
|
| [edit] I fully agree that "getting started" on Clojure is
| easier than used to be. Anyway I still think there is room for
| improvement.
| monsieurbanana wrote:
| You're 2 clicks away from having a fully-featured clojure
| environment + an interactive clojure tutorial, thanks to
| Calva (vscode clojure plugin) running in the browser:
|
| - click here[0]
|
| - click on SSO provider
|
| More information here[1]. Of course, it'd be better to just
| use the Calva plugin with VSCode. That's a bit more than 2
| clicks, maybe about 5.
|
| On another hand, I don't mean to say that it's easy to start
| programming on Clojure, merely that it's now easy to try it
| out. There's a steeper learning curve than python or
| JavaScript, specially on the tooling side.
|
| [0] https://gitpod.io/#https://github.com/PEZ/get-started-
| with-c...
|
| [1] https://calva.io/get-started-with-clojure/
| masklinn wrote:
| > It's also not dogmatic. You can use mutable and immutable
| versions of the same data structure.
|
| However from their description and the complexity promises it
| looks like the immutable collections are literally just the
| mutable ones without mutation ability (similar to Java's
| immutable* wrappers) which greatly limits their effective
| usefulness.
|
| > Full API is here: https://janet-lang.org/api/index.html
|
| Sadly even worse than clojure's which is already not great.
| creata wrote:
| > Sadly even worse than clojure's which is already not
| great.
|
| I thought Clojure's immutable collections were generally
| considered good. What else would you consider "great"?
|
| Edit: or was that a complaint about the quality of the
| documentation, not the quality of the immutable
| collections?
| bjoli wrote:
| I think the HAMTs are pretty darn solid.
|
| I think, however, that scala raised the bar with RRB
| trees over the trie-based immutable vectors. And using
| java strings is pretty sad...
| masklinn wrote:
| > Edit: or was that a complaint about the quality of the
| documentation, not the quality of the immutable
| collections?
|
| Yes, sorry if that wasn't clear.
| nuclearnice1 wrote:
| > which greatly limits their effective usefulness.
|
| Interesting
|
| Why?
|
| And what's the alternative implementation?
| masklinn wrote:
| Persistent collections with structural sharing (b-trees,
| HAMT, RRB-vectors, ...).
|
| I can absolutely understand not using them if the
| implementation is intended to be simple or the systems
| it's running on is resource limited, but simply removing
| the mutation bits of mutable collections is quite
| limiting as it incurs large overhead when actually
| working with them (you have to copy the entire thing
| every time you want to update anything).
|
| Unless the collections are always kept quite small:
| modern architectures are very good at dense arrays, so
| modern immutable data structures are trees of small-ish
| arrays (usually a small number of dozens, IIRC Clojure
| uses 32-wide nodes).
| nuclearnice1 wrote:
| I learned a lot. Thank you
| okkdev wrote:
| Racket is also just 1 download away and even comes with an
| IDE.
| [deleted]
| jart wrote:
| Janet is a cool language. Back in March, we managed to port it to
| Cosmopolitan Libc so you can build Janet code as an Actually
| Portable Executable. Here's the diff you need:
| https://github.com/janet-lang/janet/compare/master...ahgamut...
| The Janet team helped us identify a lot of things we needed
| improve with our C library implemention too! While we've ported
| other languages too, like Python, Lua, etc. those users will
| still owe much thanks to Janet.
| mark_l_watson wrote:
| That is cool! Other commentators were asking about good use
| cases, and living in Cosmopolitan seems to fit the bill.
|
| I like the language, except I have never liked the "low
| parenthesis" Common Lisp loop/for macros, which Janet's "for"
| loop reminds me of. Pardon the stylistic nit-pick.
| JasonFruit wrote:
| I agree: it makes a necessary small special case a huge
| special language of its own.
| 41b696ef1113 wrote:
| To be clear: do you package the Janet runtime + Janet code into
| a single run-anywhere executable? I have done a couple of toy
| utilities in Janet, and knowing I can produce a single
| distributable binary makes it even more appealing.
|
| As an aside, Cosmopolitan is news to me, but looks quite nifty.
| joelbluminator wrote:
| Is it related to the Jackson programming language?
| IncRnd wrote:
| That's an interesting question, since Jackson was literally
| developed by someone named Michael Jackson.
| joelbluminator wrote:
| lol. I heard that Jackson is quite dead though.
|
| ... and here come the downvotes ...
| jimbob45 wrote:
| Seems like the prevailing opinion is that the website needs a
| "Why Janet?" blurb because I looked at this and thought, "Why
| would I ever use this over Racket?".
| nudpiedo wrote:
| I understand the why for embedded DSLs for things such as
| database queries, regex and the like but a general purpose
| embeddable language?
|
| I wonder how many users these sort of languages have, aside from
| its creators and perhaps the company where it has been born.
| There are tons of embedded languages, many with libraries and all
| sort of utilities, why should someone invest themselves in such
| languages with all the risk it takes?
|
| Problems such as: additional build steps, security, ecosystem,
| train employees and maintainers into new languages, additional
| maintenance barrier, etc
| IncRnd wrote:
| Why was Janet created? There must have been a purpose or niche
| that caused its inception. If the reason was, "I wanted to write
| a language," that's not enough to use it in certain situations.
| rla3rd wrote:
| next up, a highly opinionated language called "Karen"!
| fasfsafsa wrote:
| they already made it: https://rust-lang.org
| skohan wrote:
| What is with new programming languages with women's names? It
| seems a bit cringey to me, like the guy in my first-year cs
| classes who would name variables after his girlfriend.
| booleandilemma wrote:
| At least people aren't naming their daughters after programming
| languages yet.
| skohan wrote:
| Tell that to my friend BASIC
| vletal wrote:
| And their buddy CPP.
| ibraheemdev wrote:
| Ruby.
| Y_Y wrote:
| Some historical language names that are also first names:
| * JOSS - male - 1966 * Pascal - male - 1970
| * Ada - female - 1983 * Perl - both - 1988
| * Haskell - male - 1990 * Lua - female - 1993
| * Ruby - female - 1995 * Delphi - female - 1995
| * Julia - female - 2011
|
| Honorable mention: Erlang is a (male) god in Chinese Buddhism.
|
| Some caveats apply. Many language names are also surnames, I
| leave that to future work.
|
| See also: Beryllium
| CyberDildonics wrote:
| Lua means 'Moon' in Portuguese
| Aeronwen wrote:
| I remember a HN post where someone talked about naming
| their daughter Lua. They liked the name when they first
| heard it, and being a programming language was just a nerdy
| bonus.
|
| Telling their wife that it means 'moon' in Portuguese made
| it an easy sell.
| sltkr wrote:
| Joss: can be either male or female, as a nickname for Joseph
| or Jocelyn (think: Joss Whedon, Joss Stone)
|
| Perl: doesn't strike me as a name at all, and the language
| name definitely wasn't referencing it (more likely a
| reference to the shell).
|
| Lua: doesn't strike me as a name either, and the language was
| named for the moon.
|
| Ruby: is a girl's name, but the language was named for the
| precious stone.
|
| Delphi: is the name of a city, though it does reference the
| (female) Oracle of Delphi (the language was designed to make
| Oracle databases accessible).
| Y_Y wrote:
| My criterion for the list was whether or not I could find a
| well-known person with the given word as their birth name.
| IncRnd wrote:
| That's like people getting tattoos showing the name of their
| favorite programming language. Those always get covered over
| with MOM.
| skinkestek wrote:
| If you name it after men you get even more problems.
| [deleted]
| ModernMech wrote:
| Dylan, Haskell, Erlang, Pascal, etc. What's the problem
| either way?
| skinkestek wrote:
| These are older so I guess that is why.
|
| And no, no problem with me. I just pointed out one reason
| why people might prefer a female name for a project.
|
| Another valid reason might be because they want to bring
| some women into the spotlight in what is ofte perceived as
| a male dominated field.
| [deleted]
| xz18r wrote:
| Just saying: in Flanders, 'janet' or 'jeanette' is an offensive
| slur for a homosexual man.
| terracottage wrote:
| In Flanders, people think they speak much better English than
| they do. Janet and janet are pronounced differently.
| livindub wrote:
| Does anybody else pronounce Janet in 2 ways at the same time
| while reading all of this?
| xz18r wrote:
| I'm not saying they are pronounced the same way.
| burai wrote:
| Is this how "the good place" is built and run?
| [deleted]
| doctor_eval wrote:
| Not a girl
| uvtc wrote:
| Janet is small, simple, efficient, and practical. For me it has
| nice syntax and sensible semantics. Great little package manager
| too. Very happy with and excited about Janet so far.
| mnming wrote:
| I was a donator to Janet for a little while and then eventually
| stopped.
|
| I think it would be a great programming language if it arrives
| 5~10 years earlier. Highlights to me are: green thread, TCO, easy
| distribution, great interop with C, flexibility of choosing
| between imperative vs immutable data structures.
|
| However, I just couldn't find a good use case for it. For
| embedded programming, I would always choose Lua if not using
| Zig/Rust directly. For low latency backend stuff, I can use
| Clojure or NodeJS, which are much more performant and mature
| (Janet's performance is roughly on the same level with Lua
| without JIT).
|
| For general latency insensitive backend projects, there are just
| too many choices nowadays and Janet doesn't shine enough.
|
| If it arrives 10 years ago with these feature sets, I would love
| it!
| bakpakin wrote:
| Thanks you very much for the support, I can totally understand
| that position.
|
| We have been making great progress in terms of features since
| then to "flesh out" the languages and libraries including
| threading support, an event loop, and some basic networking
| (socket) support built in to the runtime. Generally though, the
| PL design space is already incredibly fatigued an most new
| languages claiming something have already been made a few times
| over, just doing doing one thing slightly better, so it is true
| we cannot truly compete in that space.
|
| Janet is a hobby lisp(?) taken too far and I have been adding
| lots of features that I find useful for day-to-day programming
| and experiments while still being something "embed-able" into
| another project. Janet is not a corporate project in anyway and
| donations are accepted mostly as a token of gratitude and
| expenses used to maintain the website and CI bills. My goal is
| really just to make it a good, clean, useful language for my
| own use and not as some kind of advertisement or product for
| anything, it is a project I started in my college dorm and have
| continued working on as a passion project since.
| frompdx wrote:
| Thank you for creating Janet. It is a fun language and it's
| exciting to watch it evolve. With the addition of the event
| loop and networking I'm curious to know if an http client and
| http server based on these will be added in the future?
|
| I am aware that there are already libraries that cover these
| to an extent like circlet and halo for http. Joy also
| features an http client. Maybe it's outside the scope of the
| project, but I think an http server and client as part of the
| core would really add to the utility of Janet. It would also
| answer some of the licensing questions for distribution if
| these were included directly in Janet core. For example,
| circlet is MIT, but it is based on mongoose is GPLv2.
|
| Also, seeing Janet on HN a year or so ago was what got me to
| watch _The Good Place_ , so thanks for that as well.
| bakpakin wrote:
| Probably unlikely to be added in the core (esp. HTTP/2),
| but an HTTP/1 implementation could be done in pure janet -
| there is a binding of just a parser here:
| https://github.com/andrewchambers/janet-pico-http-parser
|
| But yes, at some point a canonical replacement for circlet
| that was MIT licensed and event-loop friendly would be
| nice.
| ducktective wrote:
| How Lua is viable in embedded? You mean microcontroller/low-
| level programming right?
| Banana699 wrote:
| Embedded is a fuzzy category, specs range from <1kb Ram to
| the low megabytes. Some people even extend it till low end
| smartphones and things like raspberry pies which are like
| gaming PCs by mid 2000s standards.
|
| Lua is extremely lightweight and portable. The interpreter
| doesn't exceed 500 kb in the fattest build, and the used
| dialect is a strict subset of ANSI C that is equally
| comfortable running on mainframes as on Nintendo consoles.
|
| In short : If it has a C compiler and can spare 300 kb ram,
| it can run Lua. So people sometimes use it there.
| smokeymorning wrote:
| >Embedded is a fuzzy category, specs range from <1kb Ram to
| the low megabytes.
|
| After a career in embedded software, I'd have to say that
| I've only worked on a couple of products that had less
| oomph than a high-end PC of the same era.
| detaro wrote:
| Indeed (see also "embedded Linux" being a thing), people
| insisting if something doesn't run on a tiny PIC it can't
| be useful for "embedded" is a pet peeve of mine.
|
| _Depending on the context_ , "embedded systems" go even
| larger, although _usually_ people stop calling it
| "embedded programming" at some point. Obviously many
| problems in large embedded systems are different from small
| ones, but others remain similar.
| tyingq wrote:
| I imagine they are annoyed because it used to be more
| clear, easier to google, etc. The discussion and search
| space was polluted for them as the meaning of the term
| changed, and no new term filled the void.
| auxym wrote:
| "microcontroller" seems like a term that would
| differentiate from things like embedded Linux and SoCs.
| detaro wrote:
| When was that? The range wasn't as large because the top
| end was way more limited, but the same thing applied at
| least since the 90s.
| tyingq wrote:
| My impression in the 90s is that most people talking
| about embedded were talking about microcontrollers or
| very limited microprocessors.
| detaro wrote:
| My counterpoints would be e.g. QNX and vxWorks, famous
| embedded OSes, both being active in the 90s (roots go to
| the 80s, but in both cases afaik they really came into
| being and found a market in the 90s). Plenty 90s embedded
| hardware with x86 CPUs in it.
|
| What's probably different today is that you have more
| options also on MCUs (not just assembly and maybe C),
| because MCUs have grown.
| quadcore wrote:
| I once worked on a project at a FAANG where we had to run an
| app on a 600Mhz CPU with no FPU. Javascript (v8,
| spidermonkey) wouldn't cut it (for some reasons function
| calls where very slow amongst other things). While Lua was
| incredibly fast on that hardware and the VM footprint was
| also a blessing. Even better, we could send a binary blob of
| the Lua VM/app state over the wire, and so we could
| precompute the whole app start on a server and send that to
| the device (the app would start in under 5 secondes instead
| of minutes as it would just load the blob). Best hacking time
| of my career, thanks to Lua.
| moron4hire wrote:
| In this case, I believe "embedded" means "in another program,
| as a scripting language".
| [deleted]
| aoms wrote:
| Thats a lot of opening/closing parentheses.
| StreamBright wrote:
| Could you count how many you got in your favorite programming
| language vs Janet/LISP?
| scotty79 wrote:
| My favorite is coffeescript so difference is roughly about a
| lot.
| Heliosmaster wrote:
| that's a lot of whitespace
| scotty79 wrote:
| But only on the left side, and a bit in the middle. And
| you would put it there anyways in nearly all other
| languages just for readability. ;-)
| IncRnd wrote:
| It looks like a difference of somewhere between 7,239 to
| 32,767 per screenful of code.
| andi999 wrote:
| Looks like somebody learned the wrong lesson from lisp.
| codr7 wrote:
| One word: macros.
| eitland wrote:
| Interestingly when submitting the latest tar.gz to Virustotal,
| Microsoft claims it contains Wacatac.B!ml
|
| Submitting one file at at time doesn't trigger it.
|
| Even packing up all the binaries and submitting that doesn't
| trigger is (and neither does packing up the rest of the files abd
| submitting them.)
|
| So I'm going to ignore MS on this one since no one else found
| anything suspicious either.
| technion wrote:
| I've submitted a ticket about this.
|
| https://ibb.co/dQpKT3T
| eitland wrote:
| Thanks, although I should say that I searched for a few
| minutes about this Trojan and it seems Microsoft antivirus
| has been reporting it on other projects as well for years
| (since 2019 at least IIRC) and in the support forums the most
| upvoted answer was that the only way to stop it except for
| reporting every single new version as a false positive to
| Microsoft was to get a certificate and start signing the
| software.
|
| I wonder if there is someone here from either Microsoft or
| Virustotal who could do something about it?
| DennisP wrote:
| I hope they never change the logo. It looks a _lot_ like my mom,
| whose name was Janet. I 'll probably end up trying out the
| language for that reason alone.
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