[HN Gopher] Human in Robot Costume Good Metaphor for How Close T...
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Human in Robot Costume Good Metaphor for How Close Tesla Is to A.I
Author : tomohawk
Score : 33 points
Date : 2021-08-20 21:06 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| smoldesu wrote:
| That's a wee bit embarassing. Back when I was in high school, we
| made a robotic arm dance autonomously, and we didn't have a press
| conference for it (though obnoxious music was admittedly part).
| It's a little funny that all the R&D money in the world won't
| make you a humanoid robot prototype these days, so they decided
| to throw in the towel altogether. Good to see that Tesla has as
| little faith in these things as I do.
| andyxor wrote:
| indeed this is ridiculous, but if someone wants to make better
| robotic arms, mimic the mechanics of animal movement or invent
| new flexible & light-weight materials and batteries, than
| regardless of "AI" it has immediate applications.
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| By the time actual AI will be developed (by neuroscientists
| building a model of animal cognition) we will have a realistic
| android body to plug it into with all the mechanics, motor
| controls and materials science worked out.
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| AI and robotic engineering/biomechanics are largely orthogonal
| and can develop in parallel.
| exporectomy wrote:
| I hope this isn't a trend where journalists are shoving "truth"
| down our throats instead of letting their sources make the
| claims. It's patronizing and off-putting to be told what to think
| so directly. I want entertainment, not indoctrination.
| allears wrote:
| Agreed, the author clearly has a strong anti-Tesla bias, and
| the article is intended as a hit piece. And not particularly
| witty or insightful either, just one insult after another. It's
| too bad there wasn't a more substantive discussion. Tesla's
| presentation was pretty light on details about the robot,
| though, so I'm not sure what else could be said.
| estaseuropano wrote:
| I don't like the cynical style of this article, but I strongly
| disagree with your hope. On the contrary, journalists should be
| critical and give a clear narrative.
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| It is an odditiy of modern (mainly anglo-saxon) media that it
| 'quotes' people to express its viewpoint. You can find a source
| to say any stupid thing or to provide quotes for any possible
| agenda, and uncritically quoting a press release or company
| presentation is not really adding value.
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| Added value of _good_ media is that it both informs and clearly
| makes judgements or provides interpretation. This should be
| transparent of course, not hidden behind 'expert quotes' that
| are just as biased as any journalist might be. I should also
| not be pure expression of opinions, but rather facts, analysis
| and a suggestion of a conclusion. I think the article provides
| this, even if it has a rather impolite style.
| IvanColdwater wrote:
| It was awesome, so funny. Probably the highlight of 2021. The
| music is great and "the joke" was well enough executed (no one is
| angry, we didn't get really fooled for long... and we are all
| well entertained).
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| It shows what (trained) humans are all capable of, which is
| incredible and what humanoid robots lack on the way there.
| Probably it's another of Elon's genius moves to predict/work
| towards humanoid robots.
| Animats wrote:
| _Probably the highlight of 2021._
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| Right. Despite Boston Dynamics actually having a reasonably
| agile real robot.
| 0xakhil wrote:
| I wonder if we put AI in a humanoid form, it may find a more
| efficient form of movement with limbs which look very odd to us.
| Then we need to put some hacks or artificial constraints to make
| it behave similar to a human.
| burnt_toast wrote:
| Check out the QWOP AI videos on YouTube for a 2d version
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| example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0WQnwNFqJM
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