[HN Gopher] Rustdoc resume
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       Rustdoc resume
        
       Author : 1f60c
       Score  : 107 points
       Date   : 2021-08-16 12:44 UTC (10 hours ago)
        
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       | actually_a_dog wrote:
       | My impression: this is cute, but confusing. I don't like having
       | to mentally translate things like "modules" and "constants" into
       | headings that would appear in a resume.
        
       | smokey_circles wrote:
       | Tangential question:
       | 
       | I've used both Manjaro and Arch and Manjaro is far away my
       | favorite distribution, because (to me at least) it's Arch for the
       | lazy.
       | 
       | I ran Arch for years before Manjaro and so maybe that's the
       | reason, but I don't believe Manjaro abstracts you away from nuts
       | and bolts layer as much as Ubuntu does?
       | 
       | INB4 the ubuntu comment: I know, I know. You can still do a lot
       | of fiddling under the hood, it's just not in a manner i'd
       | describe as "the linux way". There are a lot of helper layers
       | that break if you try to subvert them, but i will admit that
       | update-alternatives is the only example coming to mind now
        
         | zozbot234 wrote:
         | Debian is Arch for the lazy. It's also Arch for the
         | professional who understands the pitfalls of the "rolling"
         | release model.
        
           | arsome wrote:
           | Yeah, I remember Arch breaking systems completely back when
           | they moved the entire /bin and /lib, setting python3 as the
           | default python, etc. Took hours of fucking around to fix.
           | 
           | I'm a tinkerer typically, but it seemed like they were going
           | out of their way to break things and generate maintenance
           | work for me, I've never had that issue with any other distro
           | and I will never run Arch again because of it.
        
           | vlovich123 wrote:
           | That's a bold claim considering Homebrew has been wildly
           | successful on Mac & been doing the whole rolling release
           | thing the entire time. Everything in the world is tradeoffs
           | so I can also say "Arch is for the professional who
           | understands the pitfalls of random OS distro updates/patches
           | to upstream packages that don't get updated for years".
        
           | smokey_circles wrote:
           | I'm likely too young to fully appreciate that sentiment, but
           | fair enough!
        
         | dmos62 wrote:
         | If you want the Linux-way, nuts-and-bolts Slackware is where
         | it's at. Slackware and Void Linux were my favorite distros.
         | These days I'm just using Ubuntu for plug-and-play convenience.
        
         | dcminter wrote:
         | > [Ubuntu] You can still do a lot of fiddling under the hood,
         | it's just not in a manner i'd describe as "the linux way".
         | 
         | I use and like Ubuntu, but I have to agree with this. Even
         | before I finished reading this paragraph I was thinking of
         | update-alternatives. Networking config springs to mind as well
         | for me.
        
         | SkyMarshal wrote:
         | I recently spent some time evaluating a bunch of different
         | systems for migrating away from Ubuntu, including several Arch-
         | based ones.
         | 
         | I was the most impressed with Manjaro, it seems very well
         | polished. From Gnome 40 on Wayland, to the the default ZFS
         | shell with custom Powerline prompt, to the GUI desktop layout
         | switcher which even includes the tiling PoP Shell as an option.
         | 
         | The Manjaro team has done an excellent job at assembling a
         | configuration that is simultaneously power-user-focused but
         | also user-friendly.
        
           | SkyMarshal wrote:
           | _> to the the default ZFS shell_
           | 
           | Correction: ZSH shell.
        
           | JanMa wrote:
           | I definitely agree with you. Manjaro is a great distro and I
           | have used for multiple years. I especially liked that they
           | offer such a broad range of supported desktop environments,
           | each with their own downloadable ISO image.
           | 
           | If you are looking for something that's closer to pure Arch
           | under the hood, your should give Endeavour OS [0] a try. It's
           | basically vanilla Arch with a nicely configured XFCE desktop
           | and a graphical installer.
           | 
           | [0]: https://endeavouros.com/
        
           | smokey_circles wrote:
           | Absolutely!
           | 
           | I just wish there'd be some more love on architect.
           | 
           | But maybe I need to learn more about the default installer, I
           | couldn't get it to run on LVM and/or LUKS
        
             | SkyMarshal wrote:
             | The default installer offers an option to encrypt the disk,
             | meaning LUKS + LVM. (iirc, LUKS requires LVM, but correct
             | me if I'm wrong).
             | 
             | The only main shortcoming of the installer is, in 2021 it
             | really needs to also offer btrfs as an option for automatic
             | installation. Basically four options for automatic install:
             | Ext4, btrfs, LUKS+Ext4, and LUKS+btrfs.
             | 
             | Having recently migrated to ZFS, and quickly become
             | accustomed to the immense flexibility of
             | datasets/subvolumes, snapshotting, and checksumming, I
             | can't imagine using anything other than ZFS or btrfs now.
             | And btrfs is standard on Fedora 34 and Garuda, probably
             | some other distros too.
        
       | kosolam wrote:
       | Nice! Rust as first language. You must be something special. I
       | suggest employers to check this guy out.
        
         | Communitivity wrote:
         | Going to drop a link to Paul Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement
         | diagram here [1].
         | 
         | I've upvoted you to give you the benefit of the doubt, because
         | your comment could be taken as either positive, or negative.
         | Based on the other comments in your profile I think you
         | genuinely intended a positive meaning for your complement.
         | 
         | [1]
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_D...
        
       | jaimie wrote:
       | I really like your header. As someone that makes hiring
       | decisions, starting by showing your curiosity and reasoning as
       | clearly as the Linux example, then immediately casting your
       | mentorship and current position as an opportunity shows that you
       | will be an engaged coworker that can push things to the next
       | level. The resume itself showing that creative thinking.
       | 
       | It's not so much the way the content is presented, as much as the
       | content itself!
        
       | paulgb wrote:
       | As usual with quirky resumes, I think a lot of people are missing
       | the point. Nobody is suggesting that we all start using rustdoc
       | for our resumes.
       | 
       | It's a fun, different way of presenting a resume. The fact that
       | it made it to the front page of HN means it worked at what it was
       | intended to do: be seen by a bunch of prospective employers and
       | stand out.
        
         | PragmaticPulp wrote:
         | > Nobody is suggesting that we all start using rustdoc for our
         | resumes.
         | 
         | Maybe nobody is suggesting it, but these clever resume formats
         | tend to inspire _a lot_ of copycats in my experience.
         | 
         | When infographic resumes went through waves of popularity on
         | social media I started receiving a lot of poorly constructed
         | infographic-style resumes. Most of them came from junior
         | candidates who thought they were going to stand above the crowd
         | and impress us with their ingenuity. Maybe 1 out of every 10
         | was actually well-designed. The rest were just needlessly
         | cryptic and failed to deliver the information I actually needed
         | to see in a resume format. For example, I don't want to see
         | that someone rates themselves as 4/5 stars in Python. I need to
         | see some text that explains their Python experience.
         | 
         | After reading 50 resumes in a row, the last thing I want to do
         | is parse my way through non-standard resume formats.
         | 
         | This Rustdoc resume comes close to looking like a normal
         | resume, which is good, but I would strongly suggest the author
         | add a link at the beginning to a regular PDF resume that can be
         | downloaded and shared.
         | 
         | The full resume should expand on the normal resume points, such
         | as explaining their role and responsibilities at their current
         | job and adding dates to employment ranges.
        
           | chc wrote:
           | Like 90% of the job interviews I've been to have asked me
           | something along the lines of "rate yourself on a scale of
           | 1-10 on these technologies," so maybe you don't want to see
           | 4/5 stars in Python, but it does seem to be a pretty common
           | wish.
        
             | teddyh wrote:
             | The interviewer asking the question and the person reading
             | the resume are not looking for the same information, and
             | may often be entirely different people.
        
               | paulgb wrote:
               | IMHO as an interviewer, when I see these: the rank-order
               | is useful, so that if you put C++ first I might ask you a
               | different question than if you put Python. But the
               | absolute star ratings are just noise; most candidates
               | just use an implicitly-ranked list which is a more
               | concise way of communicating the same information.
               | 
               | I've never asked a candidate to rank themselves on a
               | skill out of 10, that seems like a low-signal way to
               | filter for overconfident people.
        
       | thrwyoilarticle wrote:
       | Opinion: LaTeX resumes/CVs don't make any sense.
       | 
       | If, in your job, you were trying to express technical
       | information, you wouldn't use LaTeX. You might use it for a paper
       | or a book where you have a lot of content or multiple issues that
       | you want to look consistent. But a resume is a single, small
       | document with multiple different sections that have different
       | formatting requirements.
       | 
       | In your job, you probably share information in markdown or rst.
       | If you're looking to signal - and let's be honest, with LaTeX you
       | are - why not use those?
       | 
       | Bonus: ATS systems and recruiters won't bork your input.
        
         | JustFinishedBSG wrote:
         | > If, in your job, you were trying to express technical
         | information, you wouldn't use LaTeX.
         | 
         | I would, and do, use TeX. Hell I'd use LaTeX for everything if
         | I could.
        
           | thrwyoilarticle wrote:
           | You're in the minority. I haven't seen any LaTeX readmes on
           | github.
        
           | bradrn wrote:
           | Completely agreed. Except for the very very few cases where
           | Word is better (e.g. printing out lots of pictures), I make a
           | point of using LaTeX whenever possible. It's just so much
           | less painful than anything else.
        
             | thrwyoilarticle wrote:
             | This you?
             | 
             | https://github.com/bradrn/brassica/blob/master/README.md
        
         | bobbylarrybobby wrote:
         | Does anybody really care what you use to generate your resume?
         | LaTeX produces nice looking PDF output, is semantic
         | (\cvitem{...}) and is modularized (if you're using OpenCV, you
         | can change the layout with one line).
        
           | OJFord wrote:
           | There's a LaTeX curriculum vitae template called 'OpenCV'?
           | That's brilliant.
           | 
           | I use LaTeX for mine, not because of some misguided sense of
           | street cred, but just because I want it version controlled.
           | I'm sure there are some nice pandoc templates for styling
           | markdown CVs, but AwesomeCV for LaTeX CVs was what I came
           | across, and has worked fine (roughly, it's abandonware that
           | I've tweaked/fixed a bit but nobody's PRs get merged) since.
           | My CV doesn't say 'proudly generated with heart emojis in
           | LaTeX', or anything like that, it's just the tool I happened
           | to use.
        
           | bobbylarrybobby wrote:
           | Edit: whoops, it's moderncv, not openvc.
        
             | exdsq wrote:
             | Ha! I was about to ask if you meant you could changing your
             | CV around with computer vision
             | 
             | Edit: Wait... OpenVC? ;)
        
           | Communitivity wrote:
           | I've been meaning to use OpenCV, as I need to sharpen up my
           | resume again (every 3 years). Do you have any resources you
           | would recommend?
           | 
           | I've used OverLeaf [1] and a tweaked Shawn Pan's 'Resume for
           | a Software Engineer' template [2] in the past.
           | 
           | [1] https://www.overleaf.com/
           | 
           | [2] https://www.overleaf.com/latex/examples/resume-template-
           | for-...
        
         | pow_pp_-1_v wrote:
         | I am building a LaTex resume. Why? Because I hate working on my
         | resume and doing it with markup and other stuff makes it a bit
         | more... bearable?
         | 
         | Yeah, I know, I am weird.
        
         | Communitivity wrote:
         | I agree on your main point, in a weaker wording: 'LaTeX
         | resumes/CVs rarely make sense', but not for the reason you
         | gave, and I disagree with not using LaTeX in general for
         | technical information.
         | 
         | The reason I think LaTeX resumes/CVs rarely make sense is that
         | there are a number of HR departments that require them in MS
         | Word format (often this is a SharePoint house and yes, I think
         | that bizarre, but that is what I've found). LaTeX can be
         | converted to Word doc, but in my experience always requires
         | tweaking.
         | 
         | For sharing technical work, I think it depends on your
         | audience.
         | 
         | A connected team with a decent wiki or document generation
         | pipline authoring informal technical how-tos or status intended
         | for the team only? Then some flavor of markdown (I prefer
         | Creole) can make perfect sense.
         | 
         | Authoring anything for team external use should use a well
         | defined community standard (rustdoc, rst, etc.) if what's being
         | documented is specific to that community (Rust code, Python
         | code, etc.).
         | 
         | Authoring anything of a more technical nature (papers, how-tos
         | to be delivered to a client, CONOPS) should be authored in a
         | pipeline that starts with a text based format, so that you can
         | put it under good version control (opinionated, but
         | SharePoint/Word do not count for that for me). I prefer LaTeX
         | for that format. Some prefer Docbook, some DITA, and I've even
         | seen a TOML version. This gets you version control, document
         | section re-use, and fine-grained control over document layout.
         | 
         | Note I said should.
         | 
         | Some potential barriers to that are:
         | 
         | * Skillsets - the rest of the team does not know Docbook, DITA,
         | or LaTeX and may be resistant to learn. This will make it a
         | hard sell to management.
         | 
         | * Time - The project does not have the budget or scope to
         | change how documentation is being done, according to
         | management. In reality, this pipeline will save time in
         | editing, and improve quality delivered to the client or end
         | customer.
         | 
         | * NIH/NIMBY - Not Invented Here and it's more obstinate
         | brother, Not In My Backyard. If your shop has always done it a
         | certain way, then the team may be resistant to changing.
         | Especially if the way it has been done is reflective of a
         | Windows world (MS Word, MS PowerPoint). If management is part
         | of this problem, move. Only partially kidding, but a good
         | document pipeline will be a hard sell.
         | 
         | What do you do if you cannot sell a good document pipeline?
         | 
         | You could version control your MS Word documents in Git through
         | conversion[1], but this means you might lose some of the little
         | tweaks your manager did to improve quality/put their stamp on
         | the doc.
         | 
         | Another option is that MS Word has track changes, and you may
         | be stuck with a combination of track changes and
         | SharePoint/Confluence versioning.
         | 
         | Another option, which I've never tried, is to unzip the MS
         | .docx file into a folder (each .docx file is a zip of a bunch
         | of files, most them text), git version control that folder, and
         | re-zip it up when needed. Not sure how well git diffs will work
         | in this situation though. My guess it probably not well, but
         | maybe better than nothing.
         | 
         | [1] https://blog.front-matter.io/mfenner/using-microsoft-word-
         | wi...
        
         | wycy wrote:
         | Having my resume in LaTeX offers a nice perk I haven't seen
         | mentioned in the replies yet: under each section you can put a
         | ton of different bullet points all commented out, and simply
         | uncomment the most relevant ones for each job you're applying
         | to.
        
           | c618b9b695c4 wrote:
           | I do the same. It is nice because I not only add a bullet
           | point, but I can also keep in-line comments to remind me what
           | the project was years down the road.
           | %\item{Built internal dashboard for foo}       % this was
           | that awful project for <person> where they changed the
           | requirements at the last second and yada yada...
        
         | tyingq wrote:
         | Assuming the LaTeX resume would be shared with a recruiter as a
         | pdf, is there really any difference? I could render the
         | markdown with the Computer Modern font and many people would
         | assume LaTeX.
        
           | JustFinishedBSG wrote:
           | > I could render the markdown with the Computer Modern font
           | 
           | You really shouldn't though. Computer Modern is a pretty ugly
           | font.
           | 
           | At least use something like New Computer Modern if you really
           | need a Scoth Roman font with maths.
        
           | Sharlin wrote:
           | As an aside, in 2021 Computer Modern looks really dated,
           | especially for content that's predominantly text rather than
           | math. There are much better, more Unicode-friendly, and more
           | typographically complete LaTeX fonts available.
        
             | est31 wrote:
             | Which fonts would you recommend?
        
               | Sharlin wrote:
               | Recently I've been using `mathpazo` which is Palatino
               | extended with matching math symbols (if math is needed;
               | if not, just use plain `palatino`).
               | 
               | Specifically, I use `mathpazo` with smallcaps and old-
               | style figures enabled:
               | \usepackage[sc,osf]{mathpazo}
        
               | Sharlin wrote:
               | (And yes, I realize that the original Palatino actually
               | predates Computer Modern :D)
        
         | globular-toast wrote:
         | > If, in your job, you were trying to express technical
         | information, you wouldn't use LaTeX.
         | 
         | If it was for print then yes, I would. But a CV isn't technical
         | information so I'm not sure what your point is here.
         | 
         | Have you considered that LaTeX might be the only typesetting
         | tool I know? Why would I learn another piece of software just
         | to typeset my CV?
        
           | thrwyoilarticle wrote:
           | Well I think a CV is technical information and I do know more
           | than one typesetting tool.
        
         | unquietcode wrote:
         | Counter-opinion: your resume will likely be viewed as a PDF or
         | printed on a piece of paper and taken into an interview
         | session, so all that really matters it how it looks on a
         | standard size page for the region in which you're applying.
        
           | xyzzy_plugh wrote:
           | I find most resumes are slurped into a database, losing all
           | formatting, then rendered real shitty on greenhouse or
           | something. I send a PDF and plaintext, but I prefer just
           | sending plaintext usually.
        
           | thrwyoilarticle wrote:
           | That's if it gets viewed at all. I have sat with an
           | interviewer correcting all the information that their ATS
           | misread. Apple's ATS did not properly ingest my PDF LaTeX CV.
        
         | paulgb wrote:
         | LaTeX has good typography. I'd rather look at a LaTeX resume
         | with a decent template than an MS Word one. Plus, with LaTeX
         | you can use version control. Markdown doesn't give you the
         | level of control most people want in their resume layout.
         | 
         | Edit: also, I agree that Computer Modern can come off as
         | signaling (although, in quant finance, I found it to be a
         | useful and positive signal). But using other fonts it doesn't
         | have the same connotations and just looks a bit more polished.
        
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         | actually_a_dog wrote:
         | You can skip doing all that formatting work yourself by using a
         | good template. If you choose a 1-column layout, ATS probably
         | won't bork it any more than any other PDF, too.
         | 
         | Here are a bunch of templates that range from decent-looking to
         | beautiful: https://www.overleaf.com/gallery/tagged/cv
        
       | fecak wrote:
       | Professional resume writer here. Quick review.
       | 
       | We don't use first person voice on resumes. We use 'implied first
       | person' (no 'I'). So "Former emergency response driver..."
       | 
       | Mentioning a Twitter handle is only useful if your Twitter has
       | things you'd want people to see.
       | 
       | The professional experience section (Modules here) should be in
       | reverse chronological order - so most recent first. It would be
       | useful to say something that you did while working for RustMinded
       | and maybe tell the reader who the company is. So it might look
       | like:
       | 
       | Software Developer, Rustminded $DATE_- present
       | 
       | RustMinded is a Belgian startup dedicated to the promotion of the
       | Rust language.
       | 
       | As others have said, I don't really get the fascination with
       | LaTeX. I get a lot of incoming resumes from my tech clients that
       | are written in LaTeX. It feels more like "I built it using LaTeX
       | to try and impress you" than "it's the best tool for the job".
       | 
       | The project sections are mostly OK other than some language
       | issues.
        
         | dcminter wrote:
         | > We don't use first person voice on resumes. We use 'implied
         | first person' (no 'I').
         | 
         | Who is "we" here? I've always had good results with a first
         | person CV - so far in the US, the UK, and the EU. Maybe I just
         | get away with it by luck or circumstance, but it's clearly not
         | a set-in-stone requirement.
         | 
         | > It feels more like "I built it using LaTeX to try and impress
         | you" than "it's the best tool for the job".
         | 
         | Anecdotally a friend who at that time worked at Sun
         | Microsystems told me that his team prioritised CVs created with
         | LaTeX over all others.
         | 
         | After all, if the purpose of a CV is not to "try and impress
         | you" then what is it?
        
           | fecak wrote:
           | Not using "I" on a resume is pretty much the first rule of
           | resume writing. If you were to search for rules of resume
           | writing, I expect that would probably appear on every
           | article. If you've had good results with a first person CV,
           | that's probably because your experience is strong enough that
           | the reader forgives you for the error.
           | 
           | Of course you 'can' write a resume in first person. It's just
           | not the voice that the reader expects. Similar to third
           | person.
           | 
           | A resume is certainly meant to try and impress the reader,
           | but typically we're trying to impress the reader with
           | professional accomplishments. I'm much more impressed by
           | someone's professional accomplishments than their choice to
           | use LaTeX.
        
             | volta83 wrote:
             | Since you are openly advocating for people to blindly
             | follow this rule... can you at least explain _why_ do you
             | think this rule makes sense and people should follow it.
             | 
             | When I hire, I couldn't care less about whether the person
             | uses I or We.
        
             | dcminter wrote:
             | A not-very-thorough search for CV and Resume writing and
             | skimming through the results and I don't find anyone
             | mentioning the importance of avoiding the first person.
             | 
             | That actually surprises me, because while I don't think
             | it's good advice I did think it was common.
        
             | lstamour wrote:
             | To echo that, it's not that the resume authoring doesn't
             | matter, but saying you made it in LaTeX is better said in
             | the cover letter where you can highlight how that's
             | relevant to the role or why you did so.
             | 
             | Most resumes are processed and chopped up by ancient
             | applicant tracking systems, so you sometimes have to stick
             | to the facts in a resume with a plain layout. These ATS
             | systems rank resumes by relevance, generally based on job
             | ad keyword matching and matching against some synonyms not
             | mentioned in the ad.
             | 
             | I've had early success with a less traditional resume
             | layout but I know I was picked due to relevant experience
             | even then. Experience, relevance and luck/perseverance are
             | probably the three keys to landing a job quickly.
        
             | thom wrote:
             | What's the basis for this advice? Have you tested A/B
             | tested it with your clients?
        
               | dcminter wrote:
               | In fairness, A/B testing this approach would be ethically
               | very iffy, _particularly_ if they believe it makes a
               | difference!
        
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             | monocasa wrote:
             | I've heard both equally strongly. That 'I' is a big no no,
             | and not using 'I' is a sign of the fact that you didn't
             | actually contribute anything and you're riding on the
             | coattails of your team as the 'useless group project
             | member'.
        
         | dvdkon wrote:
         | I don't think a novelty resume needs to be so conventional,
         | people will mostly, in my opinion, either dislike it for not
         | following layout/organisation conventions or look past all that
         | altogether.
        
           | fecak wrote:
           | For someone like this with little experience, being
           | unconventional is probably OK because they aren't being
           | judged by the same criteria as an experienced hire. That
           | said, you can be unconventional and still provide the reader
           | with the basic facts they'd want to know (like 'what are your
           | accomplishments?' or 'did you attend school?').
        
         | foldr wrote:
         | Grammar nitpick: first person is not a voice.
        
           | bradrn wrote:
           | Furthermore, I'd describe GP's comment as encouraging 'pro-
           | drop' rather than any 'voice'. (Though I suspect the
           | technical details of syntactic terminology are somewhat
           | irrelevant for resume-writing.)
        
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             | foldr wrote:
             | I'm afraid pro drop isn't technically right either, for a
             | couple of reasons :D First, English doesn't have pro drop.
             | Second, there's more than _just_ the subject missing in
             | "Former emergency response driver...". If you read it as
             | elliptical of a sentence, then the sentence is something
             | like "I am a former emergency response driver...". If
             | English had pro drop, pro drop would give you "Am a former
             | emergency response driver..."
        
               | bradrn wrote:
               | > English doesn't have pro drop
               | 
               | Depends on the situation! For me it's grammatical in most
               | informal texts, e.g. emails. (Also, the first sentence of
               | this paragraph.)
               | 
               | > Second, there's more than _just_ the subject missing in
               | "Former emergency response driver...".
               | 
               | This is a good point; I did indeed miss this subtlety.
               | (Actually, it's not even very subtle!) In this case, I
               | must admit to being unsure about how to analyse this.
        
               | foldr wrote:
               | >Depends on the situation! For me it's grammatical in
               | most informal texts, e.g. emails. (Also, the first
               | sentence of this paragraph.)
               | 
               | This isn't technically pro drop. It's a different process
               | called "diary drop". By coincidence I wrote a rant about
               | this only a few days ago:
               | 
               | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28127035
        
               | bradrn wrote:
               | Huh, interesting -- thanks for the pointer! I've been
               | wondering about this for a while. Do you happen to have
               | any more resources? (I enjoy linguistics, but haven't
               | really read much about syntax; my favourite topic is
               | morphosyntactic alignment.)
        
               | foldr wrote:
               | It's hard to find any good scholarly references on the
               | differences between pro drop and diary drop (I guess
               | because they are uncontroversial and not particularly
               | subtle). However, section 4.2.1 of this MA dissertation
               | has a decent, though very brief, summary:
               | https://awweir.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/weir-ug-
               | diss.pdf Similar observations are also made in the
               | following paper:
               | https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/76381796.pdf
        
               | bradrn wrote:
               | Again, thanks! I'll read through these when I get some
               | time.
        
         | sampo wrote:
         | > It feels more like "I built it using LaTeX to try and impress
         | you"
         | 
         | It's not meant to impress you, a resume writer. It's meant to
         | impress other techies.
        
         | UnpossibleJim wrote:
         | Out of sheer curiosity (and this has nothing to do with the
         | conversation at large), how does one become a "professional
         | resume writer"? Is that a recruiter who helps write resumes, or
         | are you solely focused on resume writing? Is it a side gig, or
         | do you do enough resume writing to make it a full time job?
         | 
         | I apologize if these are well known answers but I stick with a
         | fairly technical crowd and, well word of mouth usually gets us
         | passed around to be brutally honest. I hate to admit it, but a
         | half way legible resume and it's usually just references after
         | a point =/
        
         | baby wrote:
         | > We don't use first person voice on resumes. We use 'implied
         | first person' (no 'I'). So "Former emergency response
         | driver..."
         | 
         | Sorry but no, that's bad advice.
        
         | xondono wrote:
         | > As others have said, I don't really get the fascination with
         | LaTeX
         | 
         | LaTex is really powerful when you get to a certain point, but
         | unless you've tinkered with it until you reach that point, it's
         | a PITA.
         | 
         | To me the number 1 advantage is that I can easily keep updated
         | various versions of the CV, because by working at startups I've
         | always have to wear a lot of hats. I keep a more 'hardware
         | oriented' CV, another more 'software oriented' CV, and I added
         | a more "management" version that showcases better team
         | leadership instead on focusing on the tech stack.
         | 
         | It's also very handy to keep everything as text documents when
         | you are asked to submit to different webforms, and being able
         | to adjust things like quality vs pdf size is important when
         | submitting your CV in some places
        
         | cies wrote:
         | > I built it using LaTeX to try and impress you
         | 
         | I built my LaTeX resume trying to impress a potential employer
         | yeeears ago. So far it's really easy to keep up to date and to
         | temporarily remove parts (comment them out). I think the end
         | result looks a bit more professionally type-set than a
         | Word/GDocs creation.
        
         | bennylope wrote:
         | > As others have said, I don't really get the fascination with
         | LaTeX.
         | 
         | I have gone down this path with other types of documents
         | (reports, proposals) not because I love LaTeX but because I
         | hate composing and editing in Word, etc. Especially for long
         | lived or repeated documents. Some of those tech clients might
         | just prefer working with plain text for editing, source
         | control, and/or version branching.
        
           | dhosek wrote:
           | I used to do my resume in a custom TeX format.1 It looked
           | gorgeous. But because so much of tech world hiring is
           | mediated by recruiters and automated resume ingestion
           | systems, having a straightforward document in Word ended up
           | serving me much better.
           | 
           | 1. An ancient resume macro (and an ancient resume) that I
           | made while a freshman in college is on CTAN. What I used in
           | my early career was not that, although I doubt I have any
           | relic of that later file anymore.
        
           | kemiller2002 wrote:
           | You've never really "lived" until you realize that your
           | document with the different sections, etc. that you've
           | painstakingly setup is broken because of a copy paste issue
           | when adding a new section. LaTex maybe a pain, but at least
           | the output is consistent. There is no magic where the
           | formatting bleeds over due to something you can't see on
           | screen.
        
             | im3w1l wrote:
             | The odt format is xml in a zip and simple enough that you
             | can hand edit it if you really want to.
        
             | thrwyoilarticle wrote:
             | Underfull \hbox (badness 10000)?
        
           | cookieswumchorr wrote:
           | I never had the time/brains to get past the learn curve with
           | LaTeX. Recently I started using a pipeline of markdown to
           | html with Pandoc and then to pdf with Dompdf for project
           | documentation.
           | 
           | Turns out you get neatly formatted printable docs with not so
           | much effort, and the raw markdown stays with the code where
           | it can be used and updated by fellow devs
        
             | jjjbokma wrote:
             | Fwiw, I have made a LaTeX resume template [1] for Pandoc.
             | Input is markdown and output is LaTeX or LaTeX rendered to
             | PDF.
             | 
             | [1] https://github.com/john-bokma/resume-pandoc
        
         | _moof wrote:
         | Ugh, LaTeX resumes. They're a dime a dozen (I've interviewed
         | hundreds of engineers) and they utterly fail to make people
         | stand out, which is the whole point of a resume. When I get a
         | resume that was done in LaTeX from someone who isn't a
         | mathematician, it makes a bad impression. I'm not saying that's
         | right, or fair, but it's true. It comes off as trying to look
         | smart without the substance to back it up, and because so many
         | people do it, it also comes off as really unoriginal, and makes
         | the resume forgettable.
         | 
         | So please everyone, stop with the performative LaTeX. If you
         | had any idea how many people do this, you'd be embarrassed.
         | 
         | (And to add a dash of humility to this comment, I'll confess
         | that I used to write my resume in LaTeX. After seeing how many
         | other people do too, I stopped.)
        
       | follownotrend wrote:
       | To OP - I think the resume is a clever format, and riding a
       | language's popularity is a great way of putting yourself out
       | there, especially as a junior.
       | 
       | To others, the "Traits" section -- how much impact does this
       | really matter to the hiring managers? You're hired for what you
       | know, but you're fired for who you are. Is it worth it to expand
       | on these "traits", or is it a fluff area that can be replaced
       | with something more meaningful?
        
         | minxomat wrote:
         | For soft skills, saying "can do X" isn't useful. The only
         | written example that I'd even consider is you demonstrating X
         | as part of a written sample (STAR answer), or BQ during an
         | interview.
        
         | onei wrote:
         | For hiring software devs, I don't care about soft skills on a
         | CV. If I'm concerned, I'll pull that thread in an interview.
         | I'd much rather see those traits demonstrated rather than claim
         | you have them and fall short of my expectations.
         | 
         | Recently, I've also seen people put progress bars for soft
         | skills on a CV, as if they're close to mastering the skill or
         | at least levelling up. It normally takes up a lot of space and
         | is virtually meaningless.
        
           | exdsq wrote:
           | Was once hiring for a IT Support role and someone applied
           | with a star-based system for their skills. I still to this
           | day do not know what 4.5 Stars in "Cables" could ever
           | possibly mean.
        
       | dwenzek wrote:
       | I'm missing the integration tests ;-)
        
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