[HN Gopher] The Rooms Where It Happened
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The Rooms Where It Happened
Author : behoove
Score : 32 points
Date : 2021-08-15 18:47 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| Animats wrote:
| Sometimes it's not indoors.
|
| - Germany surrenders to France in a railroad car.[1]
|
| - France surrenders to Germany in the same railroad car.[2]
|
| - Japan surrenders to Allies on the deck of the battleship
| Missouri. [3]
|
| - S. Vietnam surrenders to N. Vietnam, outdoors at the
| presidential palace.[4]
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| Formal surrenders are rare today.
|
| [1]
| https://www.history.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:go...
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| [2]
| https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YYMeAu4i7gA/SvrDBSDOr4I/AAAAAAAAG...
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| [3] http://media.cleveland.com/world_impact/photo/japan-
| surrende...
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| [4]
| https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/08/14/world/14buitan/14...
| balsam wrote:
| These are not the diplomatic events described by the article.
| Surrender events are dominated by military personnel and not
| diplomats from places other than the belligerent. In fact,
| there are separate diplomatic events related to each of your
| examples. The more relevant event for [3] took place at san
| francisco.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco
|
| (You were probably biased by the appomatox court house
| surrender, which was an outlier in that article, which,
| presumably, the author had to include out of fervent
| provincialism)
| poszlem wrote:
| I understand why (historically), but it is still one of those
| things that cannot be unseen once you see them - there are no
| women in those paintings/photos. It really boggles the mind of a
| modern human.
| benbenolson wrote:
| If this boggles your mind, you are very confused indeed.
| jhgb wrote:
| > It really boggles the mind of a modern human.
|
| I'm not sure it would, since it would still be unlikely today
| for them to be there in these military positions.
| sandworm101 wrote:
| >> there are no women in those paintings/photos.
|
| Except the last one, the one from 1995. Progress happened. I"m
| glad to see that the first woman to be depicted is actually
| sitting at the table. I'd be unhappy if the one woman in the
| article was servant or mistress to one of the men. This woman
| is clearly a world leaders, although I cannot figure out who
| she is.
|
| (Is the woman leaning over the table Hillary Clinton?)
| adventured wrote:
| Not sure who the woman is, however it's not Clinton.
| whoaisme wrote:
| Yawn. Really tired of self congratulatory comments like this.
| You live in more or less the same society today. It doesn't
| boggle the modern mind at all and you saying it does is shallow
| virtue signaling and nothing more.
| sandworm101 wrote:
| These are the rooms where documents were signed. Actual
| negotiation and agreement happen in much more humble places. The
| french revolution famously began in a tennis court. Every peace
| plan for the last thousand years was first agreed over either a
| bar or dinner table. The dive bars of any world capital have
| better stories to tell than any government auditorium.
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