[HN Gopher] Nvidia's "Kitchen" Keynote was faked (rendered) and ...
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Nvidia's "Kitchen" Keynote was faked (rendered) and nobody noticed
Author : avnigo
Score : 53 points
Date : 2021-08-12 22:01 UTC (58 minutes ago)
(HTM) web link (blogs.nvidia.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (blogs.nvidia.com)
| kfprt wrote:
| Is there a turing test for visual reality? This would seem to
| indicate that in at least some instances that reality is
| indistinguishable from CG.
| ben_w wrote:
| I doubt any formal attempt to define such a test exists, given
| attempts at ultra-realistic painting as an art style predates
| Turing: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ivan_Shishkin_-
| _Rozh'...
| themodelplumber wrote:
| That sounds like it could be interesting. It's funny how much
| of our "reality" / perceived universe is simply imagined or
| taken for granted even without any CG involved.
|
| Even in simple text, I can relate to you my relief at finding a
| news article on HN which was posted by my stealth marketing
| team on behalf of Nvidia today, or I can describe the tiny
| white kitten curled up on my chest as I type this from the
| couch I found on the street.
|
| In a way, that expression will create an effect similar to the
| Nvidia CG project for a lot of people.
|
| Meanwhile, I have no tiny white kitten, I'm not laying on a
| couch, and I don't work on a stealth marketing team. But some
| will go as far as visualizing what I must look like, or waxing
| sentimental about kittens.
|
| Some others would even doubt the retraction of those
| statements, merely because of a constant inner perceptive
| mandate which causes them to work extra hard at never getting
| caught closing off possibilities.
| contravariant wrote:
| I mean it's not as if the Turing test is immensely complicated.
| For VR you can just make people compare a rendering with the
| view of a real camera and see if people can tell the
| difference.
| beebeepka wrote:
| Huang is starting to look like Kaku.
|
| I haven't seen this one and while I am sure many have missed,
| there's no way "nobody noticed". Of course, this is direct PR
| material straight from Nvidia. Such material is hard for me to
| read because at 50 percent is junk words and sentences
| exdsq wrote:
| Agreed in general but imagine a VR video game that looks so
| good even 20-percent think it's a movie. That's awesome.
| huseyinkeles wrote:
| Half Life Alyx did at some moments feel extremely real to me,
| it was a weird experience.
| slapfrog wrote:
| Chasing photorealism in games seems misguided to me; you have
| to spend _much_ more money on artists. And at the end of the
| day, photorealism won 't make a bad game into a good game; so
| that money is better spent on other aspects of the game.
| Furthermore, if you're committed to spending that much money
| on a game, it will probably have a very conservative lowest-
| common-denominator design to recoup as much money as
| possible. Who will take risks and experiment when so much
| money is on the line? You end up with a game that is mediocre
| to everybody but exceptional to few. The video game
| equivalent of a big budget marvel movie.
| mhh__ wrote:
| This is a bit of a weird one. Sometimes VR is super obviously
| rendered in a certain game engine, but sometimes, even on my
| now aging Vive it just looks absolutely astonishing.
|
| I have a photogrammetry scan of some guys room as my VR home
| on Steam and it's genuinely eery how I have to do a double
| take sometimes.
| pbhjpbhj wrote:
| Is that just the people with bad eyesight or who are neuro
| atypical and so can't see the flaws and/or tell from the
| weird body movements?
|
| What's the closest example in mainstream media of cg human
| that [almost] passes?
| ben_w wrote:
| CGI is much more widely used in film than I think you think
| it is. Half the distance/crowd shots in LotR nearly 20
| years ago now were CGI, from what I remember, and e.g. the
| following scenes of the car sequence in Deadpool use CG
| humans in far more places than I'd guessed from having
| watched the film: https://youtu.be/C8D_o8bOeOc
| 0xbadc0de5 wrote:
| s/noticed/cared/
| avnigo wrote:
| Direct link to video explanation from article:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qhqZ9ECm70
| levng wrote:
| From 23m05s
| weare138 wrote:
| Why does Nvidia's corporate blog keep referring to itself in the
| 3rd person? Are corporations just writing their own reviews now?
| mhh__ wrote:
| Maybe they're facilitating people copy and pasting their text?
| tomcooks wrote:
| Not dissimilar to the last broadcasted speech of the queen of
| England
| readthenotes1 wrote:
| There are few things more hurtful than someone telling you they
| prefer the company of Canadians.
| pbhjpbhj wrote:
| It says in the YouTube video, and shows in the clips that the
| keynote revealed the rendering immediately as part of the show?
|
| I didn't see the full thing, but the posture and lighting in the
| clips in the making-of don't look like they'd have convinced
| anyone? (See YouTube video avnigo links).
|
| Is this just marketing saying water isn't wet or am I missing
| something?
| bellyfullofbac wrote:
| Seems like the reveal was at the end of the 2021 keynote:
| https://youtu.be/eAn_oiZwUXA?t=6470
|
| But he was in the kitchen at the beginning of the 2020 keynote:
| https://youtu.be/bOf2S7OzFEg?list=PLZHnYvH1qtOZ2BSwG4CHmKSVH...
|
| You can spot straight away that he looks like he's in a Zoom
| meeting with a fake background, he has a green halo behind his
| hair, and after he says "Our first kitchen keynote." he moves
| his shoulders and you can see the background behind his
| shoulders move. (Edit: what the hell, the moving background is
| visible in the 1080p version, but not really in the 2160p one!
| So I guess that's YouTube's compressor's fault.)
|
| Since they already built a very detailed model of his kitchen,
| it would've been more interesting if they had a multi camera
| setup, or even a camera that moves around, like in the BBC
| studio https://www.bbc.com/sport/av/olympics/58113457
|
| And the "deepfaked" Jensen seems to me is also very easy to
| spot...
| jFriedensreich wrote:
| from the very first keynote in his kitchen i was waiting for it
| to be rendered there was not a chance jensen would not do that
| one day :D
| stickydink wrote:
| Speaking as someone who really doesn't know how long these things
| take, is this accurate?
|
| > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT59YOdch8M
|
| > Typically this type of project would take a team months to
| complete and weeks to render.
| sen wrote:
| > Please don't do things to make titles stand out, like using
| uppercase or exclamation points, or saying how great an article
| is. It's implicit in submitting something that you think it's
| important.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
|
| Clickbait title, it was very clear it was rendered at the time
| and there was no attempt to hide it.
| r1ch wrote:
| Indeed, the blog post is referring to this effect:
| https://youtu.be/KboaLRKbaBU?t=191. Suggesting the entire thing
| was rendered is very misleading.
| OJFord wrote:
| There's no way it can mean just that, since that's beyond
| obviously not real, and not even trying to be?
| evv555 wrote:
| I showed Netflix's "Love Death + Robots: Ice Age"[1] to several
| people and no one noticed it's CGI until I pointed it out. Even
| then I had to point out particular details until they really
| believed it.
|
| 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQGEUv6CCPM
| jrootabega wrote:
| Even Topher Grace and the other one? Or just the stuff in the
| freezer?
| dnissley wrote:
| All I can find by searching is that this episode was the only
| one to include live action (IMDb trivia, for example:
| https://m.imdb.com/title/tt9788514/trivia/?ref_=tt_trv_trv) --
| what makes you think it's cgi?
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