[HN Gopher] Police Misuse of Facial Recognition - Three Wrongful...
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Police Misuse of Facial Recognition - Three Wrongful Arrests and
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Author : andreyk
Score : 42 points
Date : 2021-08-12 17:50 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| LorenPechtel wrote:
| Where's the human in the loop?? I have no problem with the
| computer pointing out possible bad guys, but that's only
| *possible* suspect!
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| Same problem as considering a field drug test to mean anything
| more than you need to do a real test.
| andreyk wrote:
| See 'Facial Recognition Should be Used with Care' - the police
| detectives should have been the 'human in the loop' in these
| cases, but appear to have done their job poorly in all these
| cases.
| soco wrote:
| That's a novel use for AI: excuse for slacking. Joke aside,
| that's also how most of the "driverless" accidents happened -
| they expected the human would jump in but they were doing
| what any human would have done - slacking. Because AI is
| supposed to help us, right.
| andreyk wrote:
| Hey HN! I am an editor on this piece, which I think highlights a
| trend not enough people are aware of. Would definitely welcome
| feedback / any knowledge wrt these kinds of news stories you
| think is relevant.
| cratermoon wrote:
| You should do a piece on how the racial biases used to
| determine the "correct" color balance for film grew into the
| algorithms for facial recognition and result in the terrible
| accuracy for non-white non-males.
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| https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2020/racial-discriminatio...
| charlescearl wrote:
| Tawana Petty https://tawanapetty.org/ is a Detroit based
| activist who has been at the fore front of the movement
| addressing algorithmic bias in policing.
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| In a country based on the precept that all Black people are the
| "bad guy" until proven otherwise, any and all facial
| surveillance should be ended. References for that statement?
| How about Angela Davis: Davis, Angela. Abolition Democracy:
| Beyond Prison, Torture, and Empire. New York: Seven Stories
| Press, 2005.
| kleene_op wrote:
| What is missing is figures about how many cases facial
| recognition helped solve.
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| Without figures, it's difficult to tell if it brings more
| troubles than benefits.
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| It really sucks for those wrongly convicted, but it may cause
| more harm not to use this technology.
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| An immediate way to alleviate those injustices would be to
| instruct police officers that statistical models do not spit
| absolute truths. Great tools are not a substitute for either
| thinking nor humanity.
| brg wrote:
| Along the same lines, I'd be interested in seeing what is the
| difference in incorrect arrests in communities with facial
| recognition and without. Its terrible that anyone is falsely
| accused, but if the use of the technology decreases incorrect
| arrests thats a valuable trade-off.
| atoav wrote:
| I'd like to see how many cases facial recognition helped solve
| compared to just throwing dice.
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| As a society our decision used to bw that you are not convicted
| unless proven guilty. This principle is not a minor thing and
| maybe you choose the wrong thing to optimise here?
| andreyk wrote:
| True - this article presents a nice overview with more details
| on that https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/12/technology/facial-
| recogni...
| vondur wrote:
| I wonder how it compares to normal police detective work. In
| theory if a human is there to verify things, these types of
| mistakes wouldn't happen.
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