[HN Gopher] Hue Color Comparisons (2019)
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Hue Color Comparisons (2019)
Author : thih9
Score : 54 points
Date : 2021-08-11 12:06 UTC (1 days ago)
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| lvxferre wrote:
| I was expecting some oddities for Portuguese, given an old chain
| shift*, but it looks surprisingly normal in comparison with
| Italian and Spanish.
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| Also, someone should check the data for <azul-marinho> , it's
| usually a deeper blue than <azul> .
|
| *<roxo> went from red to purple, while <vermelho> went from an
| orange-red hue to red.
| seph-reed wrote:
| Orange, yellow, and red are very consistent in having almost no
| subsets.
| jansan wrote:
| Too bad there is no Japanese. If a traffic light is green, the
| Japanese say it is "Qing i" (aoi), which is usually translated as
| "blue". I would have loved to see the hue range of this color.
| 1-6 wrote:
| Same happens in Korean for technically what's green. Most
| adults will say 'blue light' for signals in a quick response.
| It really has to do with Chinese characters for blue ceong[Qing
| ] and green nog[Nok ]. When examining the words, they're both
| describing something that is pureuda. pureuda means something
| that is related to the clear sky, sea, or the color of grass.
| Unfortunately, Google Translate just responds that peureuda
| simply means blue which it's not.
|
| Also my take: Your tongue twists a bit less when saying blue in
| Korean rather than green. Can lazy reflexes affect language?
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| More info here (warning: Korean) https://kidshyundai.tistory.co
| m/990#:~:text=%ED%95%9C%EC%9E%....
| NelsonMinar wrote:
| Reader's Digest (of all things) has an article about this that
| claims their traffic light name is originally an artifact of
| Japanese words for color but in the 70s the government actually
| shifted the lights towards blue to match the word.
| https://www.rd.com/article/heres-japan-blue-traffic-lights/
| The traffic lights, they turn blue tomorrow And shine
| their emptiness down on my bed The tiny island sags
| downstream 'Cause the life that lived is dead
| Jiro wrote:
| There's also the problem that people have red-green color
| blindness, but not red-blue color blindness. Having the light
| be blue enough that color blind people can tell the
| difference makes sense.
| personjerry wrote:
| Qing also means "blue/green" in Chinese. This phenomenon has a
| Wikipedia article!
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue%E2%80%93green_distinction...
| whoopdedo wrote:
| I set * { stroke-opacity: 0 !important }
|
| then tried to see if I could tell where the borders were. For
| instance, to me the colors in English teal, turquoise, cyan, and
| aqua all look the same.
| andjd wrote:
| You're misreading the chart. It's a histogram of what _names_
| people give to a particular color, shown at the bottom of the
| chart. The regions of color in the chart are just the weighted
| average color of the samples that were given that name. The
| chart does not claim to show what the archetypal hew for any
| given name is, nor does it try and find the boundary between
| two colors.
|
| This is why in English 'Hot Pink', 'Magenta', and 'Fuchsia' all
| look about the same ... it's because they're different words
| for basically the same color.
|
| A similar situation is going on with the blue-greens you named.
| If you look at the slice of the graph for CSS cyan (0% red,
| 100% green, 100% blue), you'll see that about 20% of
| respondents called that color "blue", with light blue, cyan,
| aqua, teal, and turquoise all taking roughly equal amounts of
| the remainder. Teal, turquoise, and aqua all take approximately
| equal portions of the same colors, explaining why their
| representative averages are nearly identical.
| thih9 wrote:
| Related article: https://medium.com/hci-design-at-uw/there-is-no-
| blue-in-kore... (2019)
|
| Somewhat similar exercise by XKCD:
| https://blog.xkcd.com/2010/05/03/color-survey-results/ (2010)
| yhoonkim01 wrote:
| Thank you all for your interests and comments! I'm not sure how
| the study came here now but glad that more people can see the
| results :) At that time, we tried to collect many color names as
| much as possible but the pool was biased as we advertise from our
| friends/co-workers/websites.
|
| You can contribute to the data by here:
| http://labinthewild.org/studies/color_perception/?locale=en
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| Another related article is here:
| https://idl.cs.washington.edu/papers/multi-lingual-color-nam...
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| Thanks!!
| zokier wrote:
| I feel the data could be more interesting if represented in more
| perceptually uniform colorspace.
| yhoonkim01 wrote:
| Hi! You may can find some results on Lab space (fairly
| perceptually uniform color space) from here:
| https://idl.cs.washington.edu/papers/multi-lingual-color-nam...
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| We wanted to map more languages on that space but due to the
| lack of data, we could not. T_T
| Etheryte wrote:
| This highlights an oddity I've always found fascinating about the
| Russian language: blue. Most languages have blue, then dark and
| light blue, and some smaller niches for specific niches like
| turqoise etc. Russian has "regular" blue (sinii), a darker
| version of that blue (temnosinii), and a lighter version of that
| blue (svetlosinii). So far so good. But then it also has a very
| specific "lighter" blue (goluboi), a darker "lighter" blue
| (temnogoluboi), and a lighter "lighter" blue (svetlogoluboi).
| What is it, I wonder, that historically brought forward the
| existence of two very distinctly different kinds of blue where
| most other cultures use one?
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| mzs wrote:
| Then there's Polish:
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| granatowy (blue, dark)
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| niebieski (blue like sky)
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| blekitny (blue, light)
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| siny (blue like a bruise)
|
| chabrowy (blue like the flower)
|
| The first two are definitely perceived as distinct colors in
| Polish mind and can be similarly modified with jasno- and
| ciemno- for lighter and darker hues. The last two are much more
| rare and like shades especially if you want to communicate more
| poetically.
| IYasha wrote:
| "goluboi" sometimes not only portrayed as lighter blue
| RGB(x,255,x), but with some greenish tint RGB(y,255,x) where y
| > x. But not as much as "marine" tones. :) I also find russian
| (and some other) are very underrepresented in this study. There
| are dozens of specific color names, mainly used by painters and
| designers, but also known to general public.
| remram wrote:
| Very interesting! My wife (US) and I (FR) always disagrees on the
| color of things, it's amazing to see that it might be a
| language/culture thing more than just our individual perceptions.
|
| I wonder if there could be a way to build a "personal" spectrum
| based on our own answers, to compare with another person's. I
| would be very interested in seeing how the color names vary
| between me and my wife.
|
| I am also wondering if those spectrum should have both hue and
| saturation, I am not sure if people consistently name a hue the
| same across all saturation values (or lightness values).
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