[HN Gopher] Screw You, Microsoft Edge
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Screw You, Microsoft Edge
Author : ingve
Score : 187 points
Date : 2021-08-08 17:29 UTC (5 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.charlespetzold.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.charlespetzold.com)
| kunagi7 wrote:
| Features like this one (Save Time and Money) should be opt-in.
| I've never used Edge so I don't really know its inner workings...
| So, the browser should ask on first start (or after an update
| adds a feature) if you wish to use it.
|
| As companies do, the dialog should have a button to select
| preferred defaults (sadly, most users will just click that) and a
| list of options like the cookie dialogs for advanced users with
| everything disabled.
|
| Still, there are better alternatives out there like Vivaldi,
| ungoogled-chromium, Brave, etc.
| zamadatix wrote:
| Each alternative is not without it's own faults. Brave
| continuously tries to prompt and default peddle the same kind
| of things as being denounced here and Vivaldi is all kinds of
| slow and memory heavy due to the way the custom browser
| experience is implemented. Ungoogled Chromium is probably the
| best option for someone that puts this kind of stuff first but
| for the average user it is a nightmare out of the box (clears
| 1st party cookies on close, doesn't handle drm content out of
| the box, doesn't have a sync, requires manual extension
| install, has default settings that will break many sites in the
| name of privacy). Again good things for that crowd just not for
| most people.
|
| Even Firefox is pushing stuff like pocket by default and that's
| an open source non profit browser from the old times!
| Animats wrote:
| Microsoft actually did that. Built ads into the browser. On top
| of other pages. I did not think they'd go that far.
|
| This is the Charles Petzold who used to write Microsoft API
| books, correct? Will they revoke his Microsoft MSDN membership
| for this?
| Tijdreiziger wrote:
| They already built ads into the operating system, so this
| doesn't seem like a huge leap to me.
| Animats wrote:
| This sort of thing used to be only seen in hostile "toolbars"
| installed via drive-by installs.
| iso8859-1 wrote:
| They already revoked his MSDN subscription, and everybody
| else's.
|
| They also killed off the magazine, the last issue is from
| November 2019.
| tyiz wrote:
| You should ask for a refund!
| bastard_op wrote:
| Why would you ever even contemplate using edge as any self-
| respecting technologist?
| gigatexal wrote:
| I can't tell if the author is being sarcastic or 100% serious.
| This is such a silly thing to get so angry about that you
| dedicate a whole blog post to it. Just close the prompt and move
| on.
| optimiz3 wrote:
| Microsoft is in the affiliate link business now?
| jsnell wrote:
| It's unclear whether this is a monetized feature. I can't get
| the feature to trigger to check if there's e.g. any affiliate
| codes. (Maybe it's US-only feature?). But my guess would be
| that at least to start with it is not monetized in any way.
| theodric wrote:
| So, like, stop using Edge. Firefox doesn't do this crap! At some
| point, it's the fault of the person choosing the tool that's
| known to be made by an actor so bad they conceived Windows 10.
| hhlbf wrote:
| Firefox has been embedding ads in the interface since way
| before Edge started doing it.
| josephcsible wrote:
| Sadly, even Firefox isn't perfect. Look at its new tab page and
| Pocket in particular. (I do agree that Firefox is way better
| than Edge or Chrome, though.)
| Lev1a wrote:
| Difference being that in Firefox you can set the preferences
| to not show those things _once_ and if you get on a new
| device just sign into Sync and you 're off to the races.
|
| Contrast that to Microsofts constant badgering, reset
| preferences after every update (conveniently), etc etc.
| onkoe wrote:
| Kinda. Firefox keeps changing things anyways and adds more
| stuff to turn off or modify. I used to routinely find
| myself helping out family members with getting their
| Firefox back to how it used to be, and it really did suck.
| Worst of all, they're now forcing Firefox Accounts down
| people's throats. Swapped to Librewolf some time ago and
| haven't looked back, but it's unfortunate that they soil
| their name like that.
| grey_earthling wrote:
| GNOME Web is worth considering, if you're using GNOME. It's
| now a very competent simple browser, similar to Safari on Mac
| OS a few years ago.
| [deleted]
| xg15 wrote:
| Not a lawyer, but doesn't this reek of an antitrust issue again?
|
| Imagine, I'm an operator of an independent book store - and
| Microsoft uses their market power to actively drive away
| customers from my site and direct them to the competition
| instead.
|
| Bonus points for the dark patterns embedded in that dialog box
| which make it hard to _not_ switch to Walmart even if you
| actively want to stay on the page.
| topicseed wrote:
| Is the link an affiliate link, or is Walmart paying for this?
| If either is right, it's definitely not great.
| kenjackson wrote:
| I think it just finds lower prices. It can also drive you from
| Walmart to another seller that has a cheaper price.
| cdubzzz wrote:
| Good point. Walmart should also be unhappy about this.
| stonewareslord wrote:
| Walmart will price match. If you show them the website of a
| competitor like Amazon with a cheaper price, they will
| charge you the lower price. I wonder how that would play
| into this.
|
| I suspect Microsoft isn't indexing prices of smaller
| retailers as well, so that would also drive more business
| to Walmart.
| alkonaut wrote:
| Indeed it does. Googling the feature, it's said to scan for
| items that have _coupons_. I guess I can get behind that (scan
| only the active page for known items, match with known rebates,
| and don 't drive me to a separate site).
|
| I could even get behind a site warning for purchases known
| fraud sites (In jurisdictions where such blacklists are easy to
| come by from relevant authorities).
|
| But driving me from an independent store to WalMart to save $2?
| Imagine Wal Mart sending out one employee to walk around each
| independent bookstore, whispering "you can get that 10% cheaper
| at Wal Mart". I think people might take offense.Here microsoft
| offers exactly that service to Wal Mart.
| GnarfGnarf wrote:
| Charles Petzold is a God amongst programmers. His " _Programming
| Windows 3.1_ " book was the foundation of my company. Still going
| strong twenty-five years later.
|
| I loathe MS Edge. In spite of explicitly setting my default file
| associations to my preferred applications, _every other day_
| Windows insists on resetting PDF, JPG etc. to Edge. Va te faire
| foutre.
| techsupporter wrote:
| > In spite of explicitly setting my default file associations
| to my preferred applications
|
| And getting griped at by Windows for doing it, too.
|
| "Oh won't you pleeeeeeease consider using the Strongest,
| Securest, Bestest, Most Wonderfulest Browser Out There, the
| amazing Microsoft Edge instead of whatever piece of shit blob
| of code you downloaded from the very untrustworthy dark
| Interweb?!?"
|
| No, Windows browser team, I want to use Firefox and just like
| Google pushing their browser on their platform I resent you
| pushing yours.
| tester756 wrote:
| The funny thing is that this may actually be true
|
| >Strongest, Securest, Bestest,
|
| Strongest because it's Chromium
|
| "Securest" once they disable JIT
| jsgo wrote:
| This a work computer or a personal one?
|
| My work computer resets my preferences after each reboot (which
| I only do when system updates come down). Otherwise, it sticks.
| Personal computer keeps my defaults.
| imperialdrive wrote:
| I've noticed that when using dev tools in Edge I see pretty
| consistent hits to my services coming from a Microsoft ip address
| within 30 seconds. Chrome does not do this. It's a little off-
| putting.
| throwaway888abc wrote:
| Few beers in. Is this MS putting ads into browser directly ?
| EDIT: Is this also means MS is analysing and process all your
| browser history / page visits ?
| throwthere wrote:
| I think the "insulted" part is too much. Yes, the consumers
| shopping on bookshop.org for a common book aren't just trying to
| get books for the lowest price, but maybe 99% of online shoppers
| are. Maybe I should be insulted that the author thinks being
| identified as someone wanting the lowest price is insulting.
| okareaman wrote:
| As an old guy who yells at clouds, it's reassuring to see
| another old guy on here yelling at clouds.
| userbinator wrote:
| Yelling at _clouds_ , indeed. The "cloudification" of
| products is another thing that irritates me greatly these
| days.
| midasuni wrote:
| There is no cloud, just someone else's computer
| greycol wrote:
| I mean it is the perfect expression of what a lot of us hate
| about modern apps. The constant sucking up of all data for
| advertising.
|
| Lets be honest to follow best practice on security/privacy is a
| constant schlep of tweaking options and compromising on
| functionality. Then to have a base tool just throw in your face
| that "We've added a feature and even though you've got 'send do
| not track' ticked this is _not at all the same_ so we 'll turn
| it on by default". Yeah I understand the need to vent
| especially if he chose IE as a minor way to get away from
| google tracking.
|
| I mean, sure, we probably won't ever reach verification
| mountain dew, but that meme first came about in 2012 and not
| surprisingly we've slid closer and closer to that in the mean
| time. People have had years of getting sicker and sicker of the
| slow visible decline.
| hellotomyrars wrote:
| Agreed. Most consumers are price sensitive and probably would
| find this helpful instead of insulting.
| Bud wrote:
| "Most" consumers want their browsing scanned so that they
| have Walmart ads pushed to them while book shopping? I
| disbelieve.
| grey_earthling wrote:
| I think most consumers expect most things to be commercial
| experiences controlled by someone else.
|
| Some like it; some don't; few believe they have a choice to
| be anything other than a consumer.
| Rapzid wrote:
| I'm going to offer a different take; I like this! I kinda stopped
| paying attention to Edge after it went Chromium. The old Edge
| engineering posts were very interesting.
|
| Anyway, I just fired it up to check this feature and didn't get
| the experience the author implies. The shopping notices appear as
| right justified text in the address bar then collapse right into
| the little shopping tag. I have to click this tag to see the
| shopping information pop-up.
|
| Viewed an Amiibo on Amazon and it told me I had the best price,
| but it also told me the price has increased recently. In the pop-
| up, that I clicked the tag to produce, I could see price history
| on the item over the past few months.
|
| Pretty cool and will try this out over the next month or so of
| shopping I think.
| noloblo wrote:
| i like this too and a very useful feature and stopped using
| chrome since edge got insanely faster and lighter in the past
| few updates
| a1371 wrote:
| I think the context is missed here. It's a useful tool, but
| should it be an active-by-default feature shipped with the
| browser? It doesn't add security and doesn't enhance speed.
| Wasn't it more acceptable if this was an add-on?
| andrewmackrodt wrote:
| Same as experience here, i.e. it's not a popup but an icon in
| the address bar which needs manual user action to trigger (it
| also supports voucher codes).
|
| I do not like the feature, but it's not as UI intrusive as the
| article suggests; it is however privacy invasive. Despite
| disabling multiple edge features related to telemetry, this is
| a new default-on option.
|
| I like Edge enough that it's my default browser on Windows,
| Android and secondary to Firefox on Linux. However, one or two
| more features like this and I may use something else.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| This has actually been in Microsoft Edge for the last several
| months. The fact nobody noticed on Hacker News until now shows
| how many of us are using Edge...
| supernovae wrote:
| It was in the original Edge as well.
|
| I use the feature, beats the hell out of installing Honey and
| going to bing/google shopping which is just paid adverts vs
| catalogs they used to do...
| ab_testing wrote:
| I think the author forgets that edge is not custom software
| written just for him. It is written for the masses. And masses
| like me like this feature. It has saved me a couple of hundred
| dollars since launch since I shop online and use Edge. Also if
| you are so upset, then just disable it -> Settings > Privacy >
| Save Time and Money
| matheusmoreira wrote:
| So malware is okay because you can turn it off? No.
| ub99 wrote:
| Do you think the author had an unreasonable expectation that a
| browser won't suddenly start analyzing his buying habits and
| offer alternatives?
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| Remember that one HTTP header that's always attached to every
| request every browser makes? _User-Agent_. Ha ha. Those were
| the days, when browsers were acting in the interest of their
| users.
| kenjackson wrote:
| Is it analyzing buying habits or just the item he is looking
| at?
|
| And can't you just turn this off?
| ub99 wrote:
| I don't think this is the right question to ask. Browsers
| can push any number of malware or tracking and then exclaim
| "can't you just turn it off?". I understand that some users
| find this feature useful, I just completely disagree with
| how it was rolled out.
| torstenvl wrote:
| You're assuming this is malware or tracking. I don't
| think that assumption is warranted. And at least this
| unasked-for feature is ostensibly pro-user, unlike
| Firefox's user-hostile additions like the Mr. Robot
| nonsense.
| craftinator wrote:
| People use Edge? I assumed that a majority of users do
| what I do on a fresh install, and download literally any
| browser that's not made by Microsoft, and set it as
| default.
| readflaggedcomm wrote:
| How is it possible to show alternatives to the products
| you view without tracking those pages?
| jsnell wrote:
| The trivial non-tracking implementation would be for edge
| to install the entire database of products and prices to
| your local device.
|
| Whether that is practical or not depends on just how
| large the database is. But even if the database were to
| be too large, it'd still allow us to reduce the question
| to one of how to download the database incrementally to
| the device without leaking information, which is a solved
| problem. (E.g.the Safe Browsing algorithm.)
| torstenvl wrote:
| The trivial non-tracking implementation would be checking
| if the domain of a requested page matches a certain list
| of known e-commerce pages. If so, then on load, query the
| other known e-commerce pages through a proxy to see if
| there's a cheaper price. No tracking necessary.
| jsgo wrote:
| If the browser doesn't work with your ethics of how a
| browser should operate, then it isn't the browser for
| you. That's okay. There are other options out there.
| darepublic wrote:
| Nah I won't be disabling it because I have never even used edge
| in the first place. Doesn't change the fact that people are
| rightly pissed off by the fact that the masses are so downright
| stupid and dragging themselves and the rest of humanity toward
| destruction.
| addicted wrote:
| Firefox and Mozilla got a lot more outrage for including
| Pocket, which was basically a slightly juiced up bookmarks or
| Read it Later functionality that nearly every other browser
| includes.
| politician wrote:
| Seeing this from Charles Petzold is incredible, and I share his
| anger at the the adware-ification of the Windows platform.
| S_A_P wrote:
| Agreed- Crazy that this came from him. In the last 2-3 months
| Ive noticed a few pretty annoying things happening with my MS
| account- First the weather toolbar was added to my system tray
| and it looked very much like one of those spam toolbars that
| have plagued Windows ad/malware. Next I started getting
| memories from OneDrive. I use my 1 drive for dev backup and as
| such I get an email from MS with a bunch of icon images as a
| memory.
| IG_Semmelweiss wrote:
| I got the same weather toolbar. I cant seem to get rid of it.
|
| I dont even know what weather its picking up or how to change
| it
|
| Its very frustrating
| herman_toothrot wrote:
| Right click on it (or some other blank space in the
| taskbar), "News and interests" -> "Turn off"
|
| Total garbage.
| Flow wrote:
| > Next I started getting memories from OneDrive. I use my 1
| drive for dev backup and as such I get an email from MS with
| a bunch of icon images as a memory.
|
| I'm sorry, but that sounds hilarious.
| bellyfullofbac wrote:
| "Your memories on OneDrive: Remember this bug from 4 years
| ago?"
|
| Although, they should add that feature on GitHub. (No I'm
| not serious, Mr/Ms. GitHub PM!)
| dcow wrote:
| I'd understand the anger way more if you couldn't just turn the
| offending feature off.
| flyinghamster wrote:
| "Just turn it off" until the next update "helpfully" turns it
| back on for you "to improve your experience."
| bellyfullofbac wrote:
| "We strive to make the best OS possible." vs. "Install Candy
| Crush! Free lootbox if you install now!" (Not genuine
| quotes).
|
| What a joke of a company...
| midasuni wrote:
| By dropping windows 20 years ago? Yup.
| crocodiletears wrote:
| The anger stems from the exhaustion of having to opt out of
| yet another decision a megacorporation has unilaterally made
| to explicitly manipulate, correct, or badger you about your
| personal behaviors.
| josephcsible wrote:
| How many offending features do you think is too many to
| reasonably expect people to have to turn off?
| bena wrote:
| Yeah. When I saw the link title I was wondering what half-baked
| clout chasing blogger was trying to stir the shit for clicks.
|
| When I saw it was Petzold, I was just flat out shocked. This is
| _the_ guy when it comes to developing for Windows. He is deep
| in the Microsoft ecosystem. For him to come out this strongly
| against a product means it 's probably worse than even that.
| jsnell wrote:
| This looks like a feature that's existed since last November:
| https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/articles/introducing-...
| hdjjhhvvhga wrote:
| The content of this short note is just a part of it - more
| telling is who wrote it.
| bibinou wrote:
| For context:
|
| > In 1984 I began writing for PC Magazine, which led to a full-
| time freelance career that included writing for Microsoft Systems
| Journal and MSDN magazines.
|
| > My book Programming Windows was published in six editions
| between 1988 and 2012
|
| > In 2014 I began working as a full-time employee for Xamarin
| (which was acquired in 2016 by Microsoft), where I wrote a book
| and documentation
| tus89 wrote:
| Yeah wait until that happens when using windows:
|
| "Computing with Windows 11. Would you like to consider this book
| "1984"".
| Lammy wrote:
| I'm more upset at the privacy/surveillance implications than the
| user-facing ad itself. It can't show me lower prices without
| sending my browsing data to Microsoft, right?
| ChicagoDave wrote:
| Pretty sure Malwarebytes blocks all the nonsense, but I should
| probably test this. If anyone else has already tested it, let us
| know.
| stordoff wrote:
| Incidentally, MalwareBytes is currently blocking the article
| for me:
|
| > Website blocked due to a Trojan
|
| > Your Malwarebytes Premium blocked this website because it may
| contain a Trojan.
|
| > We strongly recommend you do not continue.
|
| I'm not sure why, though apparently a similar block was
| supposed to be removed in October 2019:
| https://forums.malwarebytes.com/topic/252675-site-blocked-ww...
| tssva wrote:
| Turn off the feature?
| xg15 wrote:
| How exactly? He didn't even know the "feature" existed in the
| first place, how should he know how to turn it off?
| thrill wrote:
| If only there was some way to find information on the
| internet.
| craftinator wrote:
| Ah, the classic "unwanted feature that you have to waste
| your time trolling the internet in hopes of finding an way
| to turn it off that wasn't changed in the last forced
| unwanted update"! I bill at $60 an hour, to whom do I send
| the invoice?
| tssva wrote:
| I'm sure a man with Charles Petzolds intellect and computing
| experience can easily find the setting to disable the feature
| on the Privacy, search and service section of Edge's settings
| It took me less than 30 seconds to find it.
| boudin wrote:
| By feature you mean what would have been called a malware once,
| the only difference is that instead of being a crap plugin
| installed by mistake in IE it is now pushed by microsoft
| itself?
| ub99 wrote:
| At best this "feature" should be opt in.
| AshamedCaptain wrote:
| The entire "Edge" browser is opt-in .... as long as you
| manage to ignore the repeated prompts to install it and set
| it as default that appear every 3 days....
| kktkti9 wrote:
| Windows is opt-in
| GoodJokes wrote:
| Yikes, how fragile and easily offended do you have to be to write
| something like this.
| banana_giraffe wrote:
| You can go to settings, search for shopping, and turn off "Save
| time and money with Shopping in Microsoft Edge"
|
| Couldn't get it to trigger for any Petzold books, which just
| makes me wonder what items it has in its database.
| pxi wrote:
| Hey Charles, thank you for your wonderful book. "Programming
| Windows 3.1". I read every page and it was a great kick start to
| becoming a working programmer. Not sure if I should mention, I
| ditched Windows for Linux when XP came out :)
| IG_Semmelweiss wrote:
| Someone asked why ppl use edge. Here is my reason:
|
| I use edge for work stuff
|
| I keep chrome use for gmail and personal projects only. Very
| limited use cases
|
| Ff for general browsing, on full privacy mode and js blocked.
| This breaks most work sites so i cant use ff for work.
|
| Opera for slack and some saas access.
|
| Also using vivaldi and brave for things like proton, banking
| websites, linkedin. Everything is contained.
| cupcake-unicorn wrote:
| Windows has just become completely invasive and has been going
| down that path for a long time. I use Linux at home but help
| seniors and others in town with tech stuff. The problems they're
| running into aren't even simple problems, they're manufactured
| problems by the Office suite and Windows adding confusing and
| unneeded features like this. For that population in particular
| that stuff seems so predatory.
| userbinator wrote:
| I miss the days when software basically did what it was told (by
| the user, not the author) and didn't spam you with adverts (also
| known as "recommendations" now), smarmy cutesy messages, or
| otherwise get in your way of doing things.
|
| Browsers are probably one of the worst offenders. Edge is not far
| from Chrome, and although Firefox is probably the sanest, it also
| has a disturbingly small marketshare and seems to be going down
| the same path.
|
| When I use "modern" software, I don't feel like a user; I feel
| like I'm being used.
| techsupporter wrote:
| > and didn't spam you with adverts (also known as
| "recommendations" now), smarmy cutesy messages
|
| And frame every opt-out choice as "YES I LOVE THIS AND WANT IT
| TURNED ON FOREVER AND EVER AND NEVER SHOW ME THIS PROMPT EVER
| AGAIN" versus " _sigh_ fine I guess I don 't want it FOR NOW
| but please make certain to ask me about it nine more times a
| day for the rest of infinity."
|
| Even the "good" apps like Signal do this.
|
| "Sync your contacts?"
|
| Not now.
|
| "OK we'll ask again later."
| darepublic wrote:
| Holy shit this makes the blood boil. Directing people away from
| an independent retailer to Walmart?
| worik wrote:
| Surprised, though?
| illnewsthat wrote:
| Would you have had a different reaction if the author was on
| Walmart and Edge surfaced a link to a cheaper product at an
| independent retailer?
| darepublic wrote:
| Yes I think that is relevant. Mostly though it isn't about
| the specific recommendation, my beef is with the repurposing
| of what were formerly tools meant to be wielded by human
| intent into a conduit for big corp to implement its own
| schemes while ostensibly serving the user.
| vitorgrs wrote:
| Directing to someone who has a lower price.
| octos4murai wrote:
| > The assumption that I need help buying a book is the biggest
| insult...
|
| Insult is too strong a word. Like many here, I think something
| like this should be opt-in. But I also think the same about
| "smart recommendations" that try to auto-complete a word I'm
| typing or add something to my calendar based on recent emails.
|
| I dislike them all and want them all to be opt-in. I think it's
| predatory by design -- but why anyone would be "insulted" is
| beyond me.
| version_five wrote:
| Although "biggest insult" is over the top, its part of a
| pattern of Microsoft providing annoying "help" that makes their
| software distracting and harder to use, and in aggregate really
| does insult the user.
|
| Opening documents in some weird "reading mode", popping up that
| I can pick up where I left off every time I open a PowerPoint,
| adding captions to my photos I add to documents (and sending my
| confidential data to their servers so their ML can tell me that
| a chart I added is a picture of a chart), "looks like you're
| trying to write a resume", I'll denote my three points (a),
| (b), and (c), how would you rate our product, etc etc.
|
| Some people may want this stuff, I want my computer to leave me
| alone and let me work. MS has a pattern of disrespect to the
| user that overall I agree is insulting.
| userbinator wrote:
| Being insulted is indeed the right feeling if you still have a
| sense of personal agency left.
| Rapzid wrote:
| I'm honestly not sure what is or isn't opt-in on Windows at
| this point. It frequently asks you after updates to enable a
| bunch of stuff, but I just say no to everything and hardly
| anything stands out to me.
|
| It wouldn't surprise me if Windows asks about product
| suggestions or shopping enhancements(or something along those
| lines) at some point and that drives this functionality.
|
| EDIT: I don't usually use Edge so I just tried this and I
| received the lower price notice but not as the author
| describes. I got a little notice on the right side of the
| address bar that collapsed about 3 seconds later into the tag
| icon. I had to click on that icon to get the popup with the
| shopping details.
| xen2xen1 wrote:
| I've yet to see anyone mention that Edge seems to love sending
| you to search the second the URL you type in isn't exactly right.
| Chrome seems to try to get the URL to work, MS just sends you to
| Bing. Waiting to see it called anti-competitive.
| literallyaduck wrote:
| 1. You are using a browser you didn't buy.
|
| 2. Microsoft is targeting the mass consumers who are price
| driven.
|
| 3. It is creepy they are monitoring your traffic and making
| suggestions.
|
| 4. Edge is standing on the shoulders of the chrome giants.
|
| 5. Screw Edge.
| xdrosenheim wrote:
| Edge comes with a paid OS, right? So in a sense, you did buy
| it.
| CamperBob2 wrote:
| Many Windows 10 users didn't pay for it. It was shoved down
| their throats against their will as an "important security
| update" to Windows 7 or Windows 8.
| craftinator wrote:
| And because it's from Microsoft, you're going to keep paying
| for it, over and over again!
|
| Windows update? That's gonna cost you an hour. Update got
| botched? 2 hours, and all of your browser settings. Registry
| corrupted?!? 3 hours for backup and reinstall! Can't figure
| out how to change a setting, because the option used to be
| there, then disappeared in the last update? 1 hour searching
| SO, 1 hour crying.
| midasuni wrote:
| I don't know if that's still the case as I haven't used
| windows for 20 years, certainly sounds like windows 98.
|
| However it's your choice in this day and age to use
| windows.
| vitorgrs wrote:
| You can install on Linux and macOS.
| falcolas wrote:
| I'm not aware of a browser I can buy.
|
| To be even more specific - a browser that I can buy and get a
| guarantee that they will not turn me into a product later, when
| they're offered lots of money to do so.
| shuckles wrote:
| Sounds like a business opportunity! Does Mighty, the
| commercialized, virtualized Chromium distribution do this
| stuff?
| SahAssar wrote:
| mighty is selling something completely different with a
| whole other level of lock-in.
| JasonFruit wrote:
| I think the bigger problem with this is that Edge doesn't present
| the content the retailer provided and the user requested;
| instead, it presents, unasked, what it _hopes_ the user might
| prefer. The browser is not acting as a medium between the user
| and retailer, but is imposing on both. I 'd have a lot less
| problem with a [whatever]bar button that you could click and see
| other offers for the same item. The former is frustrating and
| insulting; the latter is not: it's no longer an interruption if
| the user _asks_ for the information instead of having the browser
| push it in their face.
| geswit2x wrote:
| people these days are highly sensitive?
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