[HN Gopher] Scientists make discovery of dead zones where nothin...
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Scientists make discovery of dead zones where nothing can live on
two US coasts
Author : DocFeind
Score : 65 points
Date : 2021-08-07 14:24 UTC (8 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (thehill.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (thehill.com)
| jvanderbot wrote:
| They blame climate change, but it is caused (per article) by
| nutrient runoff from cities and (much more so) farms.
| dataviz1000 wrote:
| As a joke, I boycotted sugar for nearly 1 year protesting the
| mismanagement of land and water resources in South Florida by the
| sugar industry and the environmental destruction they cause. I
| doubt I changed anything other than my health in noticeable
| beneficial ways including weight loss and lower blood pressure.
| Like recent deadly spikes in covid transmission in Louisiana and
| Florida, people in both states don't care about the death caused
| by unmanaged agricultural runoff from the sugar industry either.
| Last year Louisiana was hit by several hurricanes which
| oxygenated the coastal waters so the dead zone decreased[0]. This
| is an odd benefit if climate change causes stronger or more
| frequent storms, although I read somewhere that there is an
| equilibrium for the maximum intensity and possible frequency for
| large storms.
|
| https://www.nola.com/news/environment/article_02d39f24-d66c-...
| k12sosse wrote:
| I dream of cutting out sugar - but it would ruin most coffees
| for me! I measure my sugar to coffee ratios in seconds poured.
| I like my sugar with coffee and cream!
| bluefirebrand wrote:
| I am the opposite. Sugar or cream in my coffee ruins the
| coffee for me.
|
| Give it a try maybe, you'll find that a lot of coffee has
| really rich flavour that you're burying under the sweet
| sugar.
| LandR wrote:
| Same here, but with tea. I drink tea with milk and 1 sugar. I
| keep trying without sugar but its just undrinkable.
| cocoa19 wrote:
| High quality loose leaf teas taste great on their own.
|
| If you get your tea from a grocery store, chances are
| you're getting the lowest grade of tea (tea dust).
| carom wrote:
| Try it for 30 days.
| Nadya wrote:
| You don't need to do all or nothing. Even if you just cut it
| out everywhere except your coffee you'll already be making a
| significant and healthy change for the better.
| rapsey wrote:
| The first step is the hardest. It will not take long to get
| used to it.
| darkerside wrote:
| Seconds poured? That sounds terribly unhealthy. Not as bad as
| drinking soda, but close.
| anonuser123456 wrote:
| From a health perspective, simply use allulose instead of
| sucrose. It tastes exactly the same but is non digestible.
| Skunkleton wrote:
| If you are interested in cutting sugar out of your coffee, I
| would suggest maximizing the quality of your coffee while you
| adjust. I would recommend trying single origin coffee from
| Central America. These have fruity and sweet flavors, and are
| a good place to start with black coffee. It also helps to
| have some to help explain what you should be tasting.
|
| This is at least how I (accidentally) ended up switching to
| black coffee. Ymmv.
| rolleiflex wrote:
| Likewise. After falling into the coffee rabbit hole in the
| pandemic, I've accidentally discovered coffee does in fact
| taste good. You don't need to go as deep as I did with an
| espresso machine and roasting my own beans, but having
| freshly roasted beans and a v60 dripper is a cheap, sub-$40
| way to get good coffee that is sweet enough on its own that
| it doesn't need to be balanced with milk and sugar.
| elijahparker wrote:
| I second this -- I love the taste of quality black coffee
| but the bad stuff really does need help (for me some
| cream). It can be a huge difference. Also the origin --
| this is a subjective thing, but I agree with the parent
| that single origin Central American is ideal by my
| tastes. Nicaraguan medium-dark roast, freshly roasted and
| ground. (Freshness is also very important).
| stirfish wrote:
| Once you go black, you won't want to go back. How are you
| brewing your coffee?
| bwanab wrote:
| I cut out sugar about two years ago. I recently had blood work
| for a yearly physical (almost 2 years later than it should have
| been). All my levels (cholesterol, triglycerides, etc.) were
| significantly better than before.
|
| Highly recommended.
| dorchadas wrote:
| I've mostly cut out processed sugar, with a few holdouts. It
| was hard at first to give up sweet tea, but now that I've
| done it I just found sweet tea tastes weird.
|
| The last (big) holdout I have is with protein bars. I can't
| seem to find _any_ , let alone any with decent amounts of
| protein, without sugar or even more sugar alcohols. So right
| now I stick to a set of pure protein that has only 2g of
| added sugars and 2g of sugar proteins. All the rest of my
| sugar is natural (usually from bananas or other fruit), and I
| still manage to keep it under 30g a day for the most part.
|
| It's made a tremendous difference not only in my health, but
| also my body _shape_ I 've found. I'm still getting the same
| amount of exercise as I used to, but as the weight falls off
| it seems to be more fat than muscle. It's also forced me to
| eat somewhat better, though I still do too much processed
| stuff (I just check it for sugar first).
| __turbobrew__ wrote:
| Have you looked into Quest protein bars? Lots of protein
| and no sugar.
| dorchadas wrote:
| I haven't heard of those. I'll look into them and see if
| any are at my local Kroger. But I'm fixing to move
| countries so I hope I can find better options there. I
| know other stuff has less sugar than America (bread was a
| real pain in the ass to find without sugar!)
| clircle wrote:
| I have in my Firefox settings selected the option to block all
| autoplay audio and video, yet this site is able to slip through.
| Is there anything I can do about this? (Other than manually
| blocking elements with ublock)
|
| And is there a way to prevent videos from 'following' me as I
| scroll?
| wallacoloo wrote:
| Click the 'x' button on the top right of the video in this
| article and it will quit following you.
| betwixthewires wrote:
| I use the umatrix browser extension and turn off all scripts
| except for web apps I use like github and this site. Sites look
| funny, but the truth is 90% of your browsing is probably
| reading text, and something you're trying to read has no
| business embedding all this nonsense in it. Try it, use umatrix
| and turn off JS by default.
| betwixthewires wrote:
| What a horrible article. I'm very interested in the details of
| this phenomenon and the article said basically nothing about it.
| I'm tired of journalists who hide behind dumbing things down for
| the reader as an excuse to not actually look into what they're
| supposedly writing about. If you're going to write an article for
| the supposed reason of informing the reader it better actually
| inform the reader.
| soco wrote:
| With the rise of AI newswriters we might be looking at a
| machine generated piece of "information" without even realizing
| it.
| knuthsat wrote:
| I do not understand how cities are blamed when a farm with 2500
| dairy cows produces similar waste to a city of 411,000 people.[0]
| Cow poop is destroying the oceans due to massive amounts of
| mismanagement or just floods. Just goes to show the unpredictable
| n-th order effect of allowing the current ways of raising
| livestock (excluding the, now known for centuries, effect of
| global pandemics).
|
| 0:
| https://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyNET.exe/901V0100.txt?ZyActionD=Z...
| User23 wrote:
| Two things. First, if it weren't for cities the demand for that
| many dairy cows wouldn't exist. Second, that study is just
| comparing manure production. Cities produce a great deal of
| other waste that cows don't.
|
| Edit: Yes, just pointing out that people rightly look at cities
| because they are the driving force so any solution needs to
| consider that. I don't have a particular solution in mind, but
| I do hope if one is necessary it optimizes for personal freedom
| as well as sustainability. I lack the expertise to be specific,
| but making it economical to capture waste and runoff via tax
| credits or something might be a possibility. However, I know
| enough to know this isn't an issue that's going to be solved by
| me.
| mjevans wrote:
| What solution are you implying with: "if it weren't for
| cities the demand for that many dairy cows wouldn't exist"
|
| Maybe you were reaching for a need to wholistically look at
| the entire problem of both population and the resources
| needed to sustain it?
| CuriouslyC wrote:
| And I bet your solution is for everyone to go vegan.
| knuthsat wrote:
| Why would that be a solution if you still need to manage
| manure to grow plants? You would still have runoffs due to
| similar mismanagement. It's not the management of human
| wastewater that is an issue with ocean deadzones.
| pyuser583 wrote:
| > "This year, we have seen again and again the profound effect
| that climate change has on our communities -- from historic
| drought in the west to flooding events."
|
| But this is being caused by agricultural runoff, not carbon
| emissions. It's also not clear how I it affects the weather.
|
| Seems "climate change" has become a buzzword for any type of
| pollution.
| ljf wrote:
| What caused the dead zone to be larger and start earlier this
| year?
|
| Excess run off from farms.
|
| What caused the increase in run off this year?
|
| Flooding.
|
| What caused the extra rainfall this year?
| calkuta wrote:
| Weather and climate may impact the severity. The root cause
| of the problem is pollution and that should not be
| obfuscated.
| pyuser583 wrote:
| The article doesn't mention flooding or extra rainfall.
|
| Edit: blah sorry it mentions flooding. not rainfall, but
| flooding.
| extra88 wrote:
| The part you quoted includes "flooding events!"
| pyuser583 wrote:
| Sorry, you're right. It does mention flooding. No more
| commenting for me until I have coffee.
| tessierashpool wrote:
| it's almost as if environmental destruction has cascading
| effects
| calkuta wrote:
| The result of chemical pollution, but climate change is still
| being invoked as the culprit.
| sammalloy wrote:
| Eutrophication has been a known issue for 50 years or more. Why
| hasn't anything been done to address the problem?
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