[HN Gopher] Apple places female engineering program manager on a...
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       Apple places female engineering program manager on administrative
       leave
        
       Author : pier25
       Score  : 19 points
       Date   : 2021-08-04 21:19 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | ipaddr wrote:
       | By fighting against a hostile work environment her tactics create
       | a hostile work environment.
        
         | pauldickwin wrote:
         | It's similar to how critical race theory, when taught in
         | schools, pits the kids against each other.
        
       | fxtentacle wrote:
       | To me, her first example of sexism just sounds like ... useful
       | advice?
       | 
       | "When closing sentences in presentations, you finish the sentence
       | in a way that sounds like you're asking a question."
       | 
       | How is that sexist or condescending? I've had the same problem
       | and I was glad that my university supervisor made me aware of it.
       | Speaking in an authoritative way is definitely a useful skill for
       | a "senior engineering program manager" like her. Or at least, it
       | surely is for me. I'm a male senior engineer in a management
       | position.
       | 
       | Is it sexist if people give her the same advice that helped me?
       | How could one have formulated that to be non-sexist but still
       | useful advice?
       | 
       | Contrary to my opinion, she describes that as
       | 
       | "#Apple employee relations confirmed this #tonepolicing is
       | totally ok feedback for me to get from my #bigtech #male leaders
       | & not #sexist."
       | 
       | which I guess will cause a lot of not so friendly people who lurk
       | on the #tonepolicing and #sexist hashtags to contact #Apple. So I
       | totally get why Apple's HR and PR teams consider that tweet a
       | nightmare.
        
         | anotherman554 wrote:
         | I don't have strong feelings about whether or not the feedback
         | is sexist but one way I'm thinking about it is if you posit
         | that there is such a thing as an authentic self and you posit
         | you should be allowed to be your authentic self at work, then I
         | guess any advise to change your tone is not appropriate, be you
         | man or woman.
         | 
         | But I don't think we live in a society that is exactly behind
         | the idea that men or women get to be their authentic selves as
         | work.
        
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