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Org-roam-UI - graphical front end for exploring your org-roam
Zettelkasten
Author : coldblues
Score : 116 points
Date : 2021-08-01 11:23 UTC (11 hours ago)
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| noud wrote:
| I've seen several posts about Zettelkasten lately. What is it
| with this whole Zettelkast way of taking notes? How did
| Zettelkast become so popular out of the sudden?
| coldblues wrote:
| The book "How to Take Smart Notes" and YouTube productivity
| gurus, most likely. I like the method, it's a natural way to
| structure your notes and spend more time actually writing them
| than categorizing.
| na85 wrote:
| It's a fad, just like bullet journaling was a few years ago.
|
| I'm certain that (again, like bullet journaling) underneath the
| hype is a decent productivity system, but you have to wade
| through hordes of breathless fans eager for you to click that
| subscribe button, etc.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| it definitely is a fad but of all the fads the backlink based
| 'unstructured' way to take notes is honestly a very smart
| idea. It's the first time I've actually stuck with note-
| taking because it sort of organizes itself which for me was
| always the biggest problem with notes.
| tmalsburg2 wrote:
| Zettelkasten is just one incarnation of the hypertext idea.
| Wikis and the web being others. Calling it "Zettelkasten" is
| perhaps a fad, but the thing itself will never go out of
| fashion because it mirrors our thinking in a fundamental way.
| iLemming wrote:
| It's not a fad. The methodology has existed since the 14th
| century. It's just like with Meditation - those who firmly
| believe that meditation doesn't work usually are those who
| never practice it. The difference here - Zettelkasten doesn't
| require years and years of practice to reap the benefits.
|
| And to answer the previous commenter,
|
| > How did Zettelkast become so popular out of the sudden?
|
| It has not become popular out of a sudden. Different
| applications for the slip-box method for taking notes existed
| long before. Roamresearch has popularized it relatively
| recently. I guess maybe they've done something right; I don't
| know, I never used Roamresearch myself.
| dangirsh wrote:
| org-roam + org-babel + emacs-jupyter has been my default literate
| development environment for ~1 year.
|
| This package is a hugely welcome upgrade to org-roam-server, and
| I'm excited to integrate it with my workflow. Thanks!!
| ryanianian wrote:
| I was a pretty big emacs fan in undergrad about 15 years ago.
| Since then it seems like editors/ides have advanced and eaten
| emacs's lunch, and I can barely understand my own .emacs anymore
| due to disuse.
|
| Org mode is the one thing that keeps me interested in emacs, but
| every time I try to get into it I get hit by emacs anachronisms.
|
| I've not used this tool or Roam, but are there modern org-mode
| front ends?
|
| Aquamacs is a macOS-flavored emacs distro, but it still
| intentionally feels like emacs. I'd really like an "org-mode-
| only" app that feels modern and lets me forget I'm using emacs
| under the covers.
| User23 wrote:
| > I was a pretty big emacs fan in undergrad about 15 years ago.
| Since then it seems like editors/ides have advanced and eaten
| emacs's lunch, and I can barely understand my own .emacs
| anymore due to disuse.
|
| If I'm writing Java I'll definitely use a JVM hosted IDE like
| Eclipse, but other than that I'm just not seeing this. For
| example, I recently decided to try VSCode for a popular
| scripting language and if anything configuring it to work
| properly was actually more difficult than getting lsp-mode and
| few helper packages working in GNU Emacs.
|
| Spacemacs[1] is another popular "modern" Emacs distribution
| that you may be interested in.
|
| [1] https://www.spacemacs.org/
| procgen wrote:
| Logseq might fit the bill: https://logseq.com/ I've been using
| it for a few weeks now after switching over from Roam and it's
| been great. Everything is plaintext (I use it in markdown mode,
| but they support org-mode).
| ssivark wrote:
| > Since then it seems like editors/ides have advanced and eaten
| emacs's lunch
|
| Is that true? I know that popular editors have tons of
| extensions available (with VSCode leading the pack), but is any
| other editor as _programmable_ and _user-tweakable_ as Emacs? I
| think Atom was an attempt in that spirit, but its momentum was
| completely killed by VSCode.
|
| As an example, which other app will let you link to emails, or
| specific locations in code, in your organizational tool?
|
| I feel that Emacs puts the user in the driver's seat in a way
| that almost no other piece of modern software even comes close.
| The only comparable, in my mind, is the *nix/GNU ecosystem, and
| that's about as ancient as Emacs.
|
| ----
|
| PS: One more option that hasn't been mentioned yet is Neorg
| (Org+Neovim). Was on HN recently:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27802153
| emptysongglass wrote:
| I started from bare emacs configuration and can safely say I
| almost never touch a line of lisp now that I've switched to
| Doom emacs. I just uncomment some packages I want (like magit,
| org-roam, etc.) and it runs off and configures the packages in
| a non-conflicting manner ready for production.
|
| That's not saying banging on lisp to get your emacs into that
| perfect state isn't fun, just that now that I'm a capitalist
| worker I don't really have the time for it any more. Highly
| recommended.
| atty wrote:
| I'd second Doom emacs, I consider it the best way to use Vim
| :D
|
| However, I am using it less and less, and I find myself using
| VSCode more and more. I now very rarely find myself using
| Doom emacs or vim. I'd say for small changes I still use
| them, but any time I think I'm going to be doing a
| significant amount of work in a directory or file, I always
| open it in VSCode. Not sure when that change happened,
| honestly.
| kkhcxxdf wrote:
| > Since then it seems like editors/ides have advanced and eaten
| emacs's lunch
|
| Citation needed, my Emacs talks to the same LSP daemon that my
| coworkers' VSCode instances talk to, and Emacs has a lot of
| text editing features VSCode doesn't
|
| Plus VSCode is just uglier, and is Microsoft and is it even
| GPLv3?
|
| Maybe I'm becoming irrelevant and I'm going to find myself
| without a job soon
| ssivark wrote:
| I'm all for Emacs, but calling it prettier than VSCode is a
| bit of a stretch :D
|
| Of course aesthetic taste is quite subjective, but I think a
| lot of people will agree that most modern software (including
| VSCode) looks much slicker than Emacs (excluding extensively
| customized outliers).
|
| As for my personal taste, Atom is by far the visually most
| appealing editor I've seen. I don't know enough graphic
| design to articulate the difference, but I wonder why the
| look & feel is not replicated more widely.
| xlii wrote:
| > excluding extensively customized outliers
|
| I might be wrong here but extensive customization is
| hallmark of Emacs.
|
| I would find it very odd if someone wouldn't customize its
| presentation to The Exact Way They Like.
| neolog wrote:
| Emacs is a text-based editor so it cannot be customized
| as much as a browser can.
| smoldesu wrote:
| Look for Obsidian[0]. It's very similar, but operates on it's
| own Markdown flavour (with imports for Rome and Zettelkasten),
| that allows you to create pretty elaborate networks of info.
|
| [0] https://obsidian.md/
| michaelmrose wrote:
| Such a tool would inevitably fall behind in what it supports
| and would lack as well useful integration. It would lack depth
| and breadth.
|
| If prior to 2020 it would have lacked roam support. If prior to
| this month it would lack roam v2. Then again its useful that
| org links can link to everything from a page in a document to
| an email which isn't possible if disconnected from the rest of
| the emacs ecosystem.
|
| What does it even mean for something to be "modern"?
| gjvc wrote:
| "Prelude is an Emacs distribution that aims to enhance the
| default Emacs experience"
|
| https://prelude.emacsredux.com/en/latest/
| wudangmonk wrote:
| Every time emacs comes up there's the obligatory hate rant about
| how they moved on to better more modern tools with vscode being
| praised but everytime I've tried it, its slower than emacs and
| crashes more often or just flat out does not work. It seems its
| only useful for js.
|
| I'm always on the lookout for better tools but I honestly feel
| there is nothing out there. My requirements are of course an
| emacs but better, why would anyone switch to worse tools?. It has
| to be faster, more stable but be customizable, its fine if it
| lacks features just as long as I'm allowed to add them myself. So
| far I haven't found anything.
| CJefferson wrote:
| What are you doing that is making vscode crash? Can you
| reproduce it? I've never had that happen, and I am sure they
| would take a bug report.
| iworshipfaangs2 wrote:
| VS code crashes quite often on linux for me, especially when
| working with files over ~4k lines.
| wudangmonk wrote:
| I usually run under linux, with C or C++ codebases. I try it
| every 3-6 months based on recommendations I read online, it
| starts fine but after a while it slows/freezes/crashes. I
| don't bother to do reports to microsoft anymore, wasted
| enough time doing that with vs studio.
| [deleted]
| xcambar wrote:
| Did it ever cross your mind that comments such as yours
| contribute to the rant you're complaining about?
|
| It really is a self-feeding flame war, and I agree with you,
| it's kinda annoying.
| skuthus wrote:
| You could do all this work, or you could just use
| https://obsidian.md/
| iLemming wrote:
| But then, how would you insert a link (in a note) to a specific
| line in some codebase? In a different branch. Or a link to a
| specific email thread in a mailing list?
|
| How would you attach images to your notes and manage them in a
| git repo? How would you encrypt your notes?
|
| How do you insert current or tomorrow's date in a note? How do
| you find all the notes tagged with a date? 1
|
| Most importantly, what would you do when you accumulate several
| thousand notes, and suddenly Obsidian authors ask you to pay
| for it?
|
| Having my note taking system in Emacs has incredible benefits -
| I have google-translate, thesaurus, dictionary, spell-checker,
| Grammarly checker, etc., All right here, everything is
| accessible without focus and context switching. And, of course,
| I can change virtually any behavior of any part of the system.
| And I never have to worry that someday, someone would ask me to
| pay for "premium features".
|
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|
| 1 I don't know, perhaps Obsidian has some of those features,
| and maybe they are even better and more intuitive than in
| Emacs, but I doubt it would ever be as versatile.
| lovecg wrote:
| I'd love to learn more about your setup, especially how you
| attach images. Still tuning my own org mode config!
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