[HN Gopher] Amazonian moths that drink the tears of sleeping birds
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Amazonian moths that drink the tears of sleeping birds
Author : dsr12
Score : 47 points
Date : 2021-07-31 07:04 UTC (15 hours ago)
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| goldenkey wrote:
| Nature is abhorrent. Once we have enough sophistication to leave
| this planet, the only ethical action is to crater it. The amount
| of wild animal suffering is staggering and reaches many orders of
| magnitude. Moreso if you include ocean biomass, much of the deep
| sea we haven't even studied. Particularly painful sources of
| suffering include parasites and disease.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_animal_suffering
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism
| [deleted]
| bromuro wrote:
| To me, nature has his own meaning of suffering and the value of
| life is intended at whole (think to the ants). Humans are
| somewhat off this mechanisms, maybe because they can choose to
| inflict pain. This is the misery of humankind i like to think
| about, but nature - it is just like it is with no bad or good.
| shreyshnaccount wrote:
| humans inflict pain for money, mostly. nature does so to be
| sustainable. I don't believe that any sentient life can exist
| and thrive without pain. that's part of the beauty of nature.
| things die. new things come up. it's absolutely bonkers to me
| how someone could think otherwise. good and bad is a human
| construct to classify human behavior. nothing would exist if
| there's no death.
| goldenkey wrote:
| No where in my comment did I associate death with moral
| badness. Nor did I say that pain in itself is something
| worthy of eradication.
|
| Suffering can be due to physical pain but not always.
| Sometimes it is due to lack of freedom. Parasites,
| bacteria, and viruses generally cause both pain and
| disability.
|
| Nature is romanticized but like OP states, it is metal and
| cruel. When we can eradicate suffering through destroying
| the planet, it is our moral imperative to do so.
|
| So far you have provided no counter arguments to this,
| instead you have misinterpreted my words and delegated to
| utterly worthless moral relativism.
| goldenkey wrote:
| Slowly being disabled in excruciating pain due to a parasite
| is a bad experience. This can be universally agreed upon. I'd
| love to hear why this is neither good nor bad without you
| importing an external dependency like moral relativism or
| cute idioms like "circle of life."
| celim307 wrote:
| Feels pretty arrogant to assume that's the only ethical action.
| Who are we to be judge jury and executioner, even more than we
| are already?
| goldenkey wrote:
| The only alternative is to eradicate illness and disease in
| all of the Earth's biomass, which consists largely of sea
| creatures. We likely won't have the technology to do so for
| millennia, if ever.
|
| Life is not a gemstone if it is pockmarked with suffering. It
| is our duty to eradicate suffering by all means necessary.
| This is why the most progressive countries in the world have
| legalized euthanasia. Because life is not the goal, happiness
| is. Death is not an enemy, suffering is.
|
| Feels pretty whimsical to assume that one needs some kind of
| "right" to do what's right. What gives anyone the right to do
| anything?
|
| It's a duty as a living being to help those in need. The
| cornerstone of all science and religion is eliminating
| suffering.
|
| The logical entailment of such an imperative is to destroy
| the Earth swiftly after we have moved on. A swift end and
| none of the creatures on it will suffer, and the ones
| suffering will suffer no more..
| suifbwish wrote:
| I thought Eric Cartman was the only creature that drinks tears
| aerovistae wrote:
| Anyone have a link bypassing the paywall? Or better yet, an
| explanation of where to find such links?
|
| Also can we edit the title to specify there's a paywall? I don't
| remember if we have a policy for that around here.
| mormegil wrote:
| https://archive.is/qaq3p
| Magi604 wrote:
| It's pretty brave of moths to do this since they are naturally
| preyed upon by birds. Maybe birds don't mind this activity.
| Perhaps there's some benefit to the birds too?
| Symbiote wrote:
| I didn't see a paywall, but there was a video that autoplayed
| partway down the page.
|
| (Interesting article though.)
| Pulcinella wrote:
| See also puddling:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mud-puddling
| hyperluz wrote:
| Look at the photo with the bird sleeping: one moth drinking his
| tears and three mosquitoes trying to suck his blood. Nature is
| metal.
| scrame wrote:
| Not to mention the fact that birds apparently cry in their
| sleep!
| goldenkey wrote:
| They don't. All animals with lacrimal glands cry in response
| to irritation or physical contact of the eye though. These
| tears are known as "reflex tears."
| shreyshnaccount wrote:
| thanks for clearing that up I was also confused at first
| like OP but kinda convinced myself of what you said
| chrisfinazzo wrote:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H34ukFe8g
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