[HN Gopher] Where Is the World's Best Weather? (2020)
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Where Is the World's Best Weather? (2020)
Author : Kaibeezy
Score : 48 points
Date : 2021-07-29 19:51 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| s5300 wrote:
| San Diego and some of Tijuana are just about unbeatable IMO. Any
| other weather that isn't perfectly sunny is only a short drive
| away if you so feel the need... the only thing I've ever missed
| from the MidWest is a few good thunderstorms a year, but even
| those don't seem to happen as much as it at least seemed to when
| I was much younger.
| panzagl wrote:
| San Diego is fine if you can live near the water, but go inland
| where people can afford to live and it's basically desert.
| s5300 wrote:
| This somewhat rings true, just like the microclimate that
| Santa Monica and such has vs the greater LA region.
|
| I have ran into more than a few highly intelligent/quite
| successful people living near the water in SD who decided
| long ago that they were _completely_ content with the fact
| they were going to be renting essentially for life. Perhaps
| once they get to be exceptionally old they 'll have a change
| of heart, but for decades or longer and likely many more,
| they've simply found the climate to be worth throwing a
| sizeable amount of their income into a non-equity black hole
| paying off somebody more fortunates mortgages.
|
| Personally, I'm a bit jealous of their ability to have that
| mindset and be perfectly happy people.
| yesenadam wrote:
| Weather is complicated. e.g. Taree (NSW, Australia) gets a 10 in
| the list of 129 cities with nearly perfect weather. But in summer
| it's often very hot and humid. Way too hot. (Source: I did 11
| years of school there!) But just 30 minutes drive down the road
| is Forster-Tuncurry, between ocean and lake, with a sea breeze,
| never too hot or humid, which I'd say does have perfect weather.
| They're both fairly small country towns, though, not cities.
|
| I'm in Sydney now. I have friends in many countries, who live
| with typhoons, earthquakes, volcanoes, floods, violence...and not
| having any of that here makes me feel fortunate and it almost
| justifies the crazy high rent.
| tw600040 wrote:
| Cancun!
| lifty wrote:
| I'm surprised that Tenerife didn't come up. It's a Spanish island
| of the coast of Africa which gets great weather and a narrow
| temperature band all year round. Half of the island is quite
| green and lush because it gets a decent amount of rain, while the
| other half is more dry. I suspect Madeira is similar but even
| more green.
| ardit33 wrote:
| Most of European Coastal Mediterranean, (Spain, Italy, France,
| Greece, Albania, southern part of Croatia), including Portugal,
| San Diego, and anything close to the ocean in California (as long
| as it is not in the fog belt like San Francisco),
|
| South Africa, and perhaps some parts of Australia and Latin
| America.
|
| Basically, anywhere where it is sunny 'Mild Mediterranean'
| weather, that it is not too hot (North Africa is too hot for my
| taste).
|
| Top Cities in Europe: Barcelona, Valencia, in Spain, Livornia,
| Rimini, Pisa, in Italy (Rome can get too hot), Marsseille, Nice
| in France, Durres, Vlora in Albania, (actually most of Albania
| has great weather), Dubrovnik in Croatia, Corfu, Patras, Selaniki
| in Greece), Lisbon and Porto in Portugal, etc...
|
| This is the sunshine map of Europe. Light Orange areas are
| probably the best areas weather wise. If it is the bright Orange,
| then Coastal areas are still great, but inland might get too hot.
| Eg. Madrid, and Rome get too hot in the summer, but cities like
| Barcelona, or Niece in France are more moderate as they are
| coastal:
|
| https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Europe_s...
| AtomicOrbital wrote:
| Folks need to appreciate lush vibrant green vegetation where
| frequent rain is encouraged ... perhaps motivated by lifelong
| hiking every few days ... so for me Mediterranean climate is
| way too dry and barren
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| Wallace Stegner:
|
| "Dutton describes a process of westernization of the
| perceptions that has had to happen before the West is
| beautiful to us. You have to get over the color green; you
| have to quit associating beauty with gardens and lawns; you
| have to get used to an inhuman scale; you have to understand
| geological time."
|
| Much longer and more explanatory quote here:
|
| https://bensonian.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/you-have-to-
| get-o...
| throw0101a wrote:
| I'm not against what he's saying, but green vegetation
| generally means a good source of water, which is handy to
| have:
|
| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_security
| throw0101a wrote:
| > _Basically, anywhere where it is sunny 'Mild Mediterranean'
| weather, that it is not too hot (North Africa is too hot for my
| taste)._
|
| I wouldn't object to living in that climate type (Csa, Csb),
| but I'd be worried about rainfall:
|
| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_climate
|
| Personally I'd lean more towards Oceanic:
|
| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_climate
|
| Still mild, with some seasonality. I do understand why some
| people wouldn't want all the cloudiness.
| andrepd wrote:
| +1 for that sweet Csa climate :)
| systemvoltage wrote:
| Speak for yourself. I love rainy weather too. Seattle/Portland
| would be great. I lived in Oxford, UK and found the seasons
| absolutely beautiful.
|
| It's a matter of taste, really.
| balfirevic wrote:
| > southern part of Croatia
|
| That's where I live. Summers get much too hot to be called
| mild, but it's the winters that are annoying as hell. Everyone
| pretends that the cold doesn't exist, so insulation is terrible
| and so is heating unless you want to pay through the nose for
| electricity every month.
|
| Seriously, winters were much better when I lived in the
| capital, which is continental and colder but has actual
| amenities to counter that.
|
| I did have an opportunity to spend a month in Los Angeles on
| two occasions (in winter and fall) and the weather was
| fantastic.
| 11thEarlOfMar wrote:
| It's really important to keep in mind that climate can change
| dramatically in only short distances. From last week, at the same
| time it was 100F in Sacramento, CA, it was 60F in Inverness, CA.
| Same latitude, same elevation. The two are about 100 miles apart,
| a short distance when searching the globe.
|
| I cite Inverness, CA because it has the best weather for my
| tastes: 20F annual temperature range with average high just under
| 70F. Always breezy out of the West, with clean ocean air coming
| off the Pacific. 257 days of sun, 42 inches of rain, less than 1%
| 'muggy' humidity.
|
| Most places within 10 miles of the Northern California Pacific
| coast have these attributes.
|
| https://weatherspark.com/y/609/Average-Weather-in-Inverness-...
| onion2k wrote:
| I don't think I could define what "the best weather" means. I
| like a sunny day as much as anyone, but I like snow too, and a
| huge thunderstorm, and even a bit of rain, and mist, and
| everything else. I'd miss a lot of that if I lived somewhere that
| had the "best" weather.
| sjs7007 wrote:
| Basically you want seasons instead of monotony.
| kbenson wrote:
| This is touched on, and you can get a lot of those things by
| living in an area with different climes in close proximity,
| for example a coastal region that rises into mountains not
| too far away.
|
| So the question is, if you want snow some times, do you want
| to _live_ in the snow, or have _access to_ the snow, and how
| close is close enough? The bay area has Tahoe, which you can
| reach in about 4 hours, for access to snow. If you want to
| actually live in the snow for at least part of the year, the
| SF Bay Area won 't cut it then.
| fumar wrote:
| I thought the same for 30 years. Then I moved to Southern
| California. I don't miss the any of those things. My allergies
| are gone. My exercise routine is consistent and my outdoor
| hobbies increased. Beach, mountains, flatland, desert, gardens,
| etc are all within 1 or 2 hours from me.
| davidw wrote:
| It's on one of the lists, but the weather here looks pretty good
| to me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antofagasta
|
| Never too hot or cold, and it never rains. Of course nothing much
| grows there.
| data4lyfe wrote:
| Best optimization of weather conditions has to be seasonal.
| Seattle and Portland may be horrible 8 months out of the year but
| the summer months are quite perfect.
|
| What I want to know are which cities are great seasonal cities in
| which I could potentially buy a condo for the high seasons, and
| then leave in the non-high seasons for a potential rental at a
| still competitive price.
|
| For example: SF sucks in the summer, but maybe the tourists don't
| know that.
| runarberg wrote:
| The excessive summer sun is actually a bug not a feature,
| especially if you factor in the diminished air quality with
| increased forest fires. Last summer everybody I know chaired
| when the rains finally came and cleared the air from all the
| particulates.
|
| Actually IMO the PNW would have a pretty sweet overall weather
| if only it would rain just a little more in the summer (say
| once a week / every two weeks).
| ojbyrne wrote:
| SF has microclimates and for my preferences the southeastern
| part of the city (the Mission, Potrero Hill, Dogpatch) have
| perfect summers. Highs of 65-75, and then at night the fog
| comes and cools things down for perfect sleep temperatures. On
| the western side of the city it's just fog all day.
|
| Plus it's always an impressive sight to see the fog come over
| the hills every day.
| kbenson wrote:
| > For example: SF sucks in the summer, but maybe the tourists
| don't know that.
|
| Actual SF, or surrounding areas? I would think SF is fairly
| nice in the summer with the ocean breeze. Sonoma county gets
| pretty warm in the summer as well, but SF proper always felt
| cooler to me. I can imagine San Jose being just as bad or worse
| though.
| ghaff wrote:
| You do have the probably apocryphal Mark Twain "The coldest
| winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco." And you
| can really get the cold, grey city vibe. But, honestly for
| the most part, it's hard to find a lot of fault (for me) in
| SF climate most of the year. And I've spent a lot of time
| there even if I've never lived there.
|
| ADDED: And I wouldn't think most people would think anything
| in NoCal generally (or most of CA even more generally)
| "sucked" in the summer
| kbenson wrote:
| > I wouldn't think most people would think anything in
| NoCal generally (or most of CA even more generally)
| "sucked" in the summer
|
| Eh, week or longer periods of temperatures in the high 90's
| and low 100's when you're not at the coast isn't always
| pleasant, I could see how some people think it sucks,
| depending on how much you're required to be outside. It
| gets hotter the farther north and more inland you go for a
| while, and the more inland (even if not by much).
|
| In the end a lot is just what you're used to, I think.
| ghaff wrote:
| Central Valley (for me) is definitely less comfortable
| than western mountains, coastal mountains, and coast.
| nprecup wrote:
| Summer in the PNW is no good - it's sunny every day for months
| straight! It's terrible!
| Arrath wrote:
| I'll take those 8 months of drizzle, take the sun away
| thanks!
| Afton wrote:
| Right?! 80 degrees and sunburns? No thanks, I'll take my 52
| and overcast thank you very much. You think I live here by
| accident?
|
| I wonder what the internet provider is in Forks,WA...
| kazinator wrote:
| I saw a documentary on Japanese TV on this topic. Or, actually,
| it might have been this reality TV show:
|
| https://www.asahi.co.jp/konnatokoroni/
|
| whose concept is that Japanese celebrities travel to various
| places in the world, often remote, to pay a surprise visit to
| some Japanese person living there.
|
| Anyway, in this particular episode, a certain gentleman was
| visited who lives in some high altitude mountainous location in
| Vietnam, I think.
|
| He chose to live there largely due to the ideal climate.
|
| The idea is that one important characteristic of a "good" climate
| is that there are no swings in temperature: no seasons. OK, that
| constrains us to the tropics. (Or else, as a strawman argument,
| perhaps to the Arctic or Antarctica.) But it's hot and humid in
| the tropics, with rain. The solution: _a high altitude location
| in the mountains_ at a tropical latitude: low lat, high alt. A
| high altitude location in the tropics still has no seasons, but
| is cooler and with less rain.
|
| The gentleman said that he could go outside year round wearing
| the same light clothing. He also pointed out that the advantage
| is not just comfort; he was able able to grow vegetables all year
| round, without regard for seasons.
| throw0101a wrote:
| Given the variety of climates in Japan itself quite a few types
| could be experienced domestically:
|
| * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Japan#Climate
| finiteseries wrote:
| The vast majority of tropical Mexico & Central America's cities
| seem to be settled in this manner as well, it's lovely.
|
| I wonder if it's a lack of rivers, islands, and ports that led
| to this vs Southeast Asia's cities mostly being at sea level.
| Although Colombia has rivers & ports, and still is mostly
| settled in the mountains. Odd.
| klyrs wrote:
| Wow, that dreariness index plot is a total mess. I'm not even
| colorblind, and I had way too much trouble distinguishing the
| best from worst...
| giarc wrote:
| Is there some reason they go orange to blue then back to red?
| vinni2 wrote:
| Someone messed up the color legend while plotting. It takes a
| bit of work to adjust it manually.
| mannykannot wrote:
| I got a chuckle out of seeing the U.K. Overseas Territories
| ranked 3rd. in the countries list, as it is comprised of fourteen
| territories spread from the Isle of Man to the British Antarctic
| Territory via the Caribbean and Mediterranean seas and the Indian
| ocean.
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| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories
| gumby wrote:
| Well, when you consider the _average_ ...
| shoto_io wrote:
| WeatherSpark is my favorite platform for this question. Lots of
| data and look-a-like places. Highly recommended.
|
| https://www.weatherspark.com/
| seansmccullough wrote:
| WeatherSpark is great, probably my favorite weather website.
| whalesalad wrote:
| Remarkable how different the experience is on that website when
| you are not using an ad blocker.
| samhh wrote:
| Something this doesn't tell you is that summers in London for
| example are awful because our homes have historically been
| designed to trap heat.
| snypher wrote:
| Why -would- it tell you? If you live inside a refrigerator it
| would never be hot.
| thefourthchime wrote:
| Little surprised Redwood, CA isn't there. Their slogan is
| "Climate best by government test"
| data4lyfe wrote:
| Redwood City*
| gpsx wrote:
| Redwood City and other mid Bay Area mid-peninsula cities have
| very nice weather. They have the same effect that makes San
| Diego so nice, the interface between warm sun and cool ocean.
| If the criteria was slightly different, biased cooler, Redwood
| city might be on the list.
| ghaff wrote:
| So much of it is subjective. But assuming you throw out having
| seasons--especially snowy seasons--and desire for year-round
| humid or dry heat--the answer probably comes down to some
| variation of a Mediterranean climate with assorted perturbations.
| Though that doesn't really match up with the results.
| christkv wrote:
| I would wager on the Canary Islands never to hot or cold and lots
| of good weather
| kbenson wrote:
| Is it me, or have quite a large percentage of links bit rotted
| for an article a bit over a year old? I haven't clocked on a
| bunch, just 4-5, but the only one that actually worked was to
| Wikipedia.
| xtracto wrote:
| Is it me or is Mexico missing from his country ranking? (
| https://leisurepurpose.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/countrycl... )
| I was very curious to see where my country fell in that list.
| exac wrote:
| So the only 5 cities that score 11 are:
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| San Paulo, Brazil
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| Mzuzu, Malawi
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| Durban, South Africa
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| East London, South Africa
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| San Diego, USA
| screye wrote:
| The irony of naming the place with the World's best weather
| after London.
| malshe wrote:
| I am so glad to see San Diego on this list. I am generally not
| fussy about the weather but I love San Diego weather.
| jdblair wrote:
| Redwood City: Climate Best by Government Test
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwood_City,_California#Sloga...
| arbi_man wrote:
| big takeaway from this post - Brazil as a tech hub is next.
| Amazing weather, infrastructure in Sao Paulo, tech talent, cheap
| currency, and a huge domestic TAM. As we get into more manmade
| climate change, Sao Paulo will pull people south of MIA and even
| NYC given the time unity and the increase in living standards for
| every given USD.
| throw0101a wrote:
| > _Therefore, I decided that the best weather was the weather
| that would most encourage a person to go outdoors and stay
| outdoors. For that purpose, key weather elements would be
| sunshine, warmth, and dryness -- calling to mind the Dreary
| Weather Index offered by Brian Brettschneider:_
|
| I think this is a bad measure of encouragement to go outdoors, as
| it gives (e.g.) large swaths of New Mexico and Arizona a good
| (i.e., low) score: there's no way I'm going outside when it's
| >40C.
|
| Certainly _not all_ of places in Arizona get so hot that
| airplanes can 't fly of course:
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| * https://www.wired.com/story/phoenix-flights-canceled-heat/
|
| So hopefully the min and max temperature was taken into account
| in this article's calculations, as it does not seem to be in the
| "Dreary Weather Index". I am reminded of the episode of the
| cartoon _King of the Hill_ where they visit Phoenix:
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| * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PYt0SDnrBE
| happytoexplain wrote:
| This is incredibly dense, and I hope to read it. My first
| impression is that people like much warmer temperatures than I do
| (Orlando Florida!?).
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