[HN Gopher] The Web from 1989 to 1994
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The Web from 1989 to 1994
Author : kamphey
Score : 103 points
Date : 2021-07-23 07:05 UTC (1 days ago)
(HTM) web link (thehistoryoftheweb.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (thehistoryoftheweb.com)
| timrichard wrote:
| "the Uniform Resource Identifier (URI), later renamed to the
| Uniform Resource Locator (URL)"
|
| Nice resource, but I thought a URL is one form of URI, another
| being a URN.
| palsecam wrote:
| It depends on who you ask.
|
| --
|
| According to the W3C, it used to be that:
|
| > a URI was either a URL or a URN.
|
| But now, it's complicated:
|
| > the view became that an individual scheme does not need to be
| cast into one of a discrete set of URI types such as "URL",
| "URN" [...]
|
| > Further according to the contemporary view, the term "URL"
| does not refer to a formal partition of URI space; rather, URL
| is a useful but informal concept [...]
|
| > Thus as we noted, "http:" is a URI scheme. An http URI is a
| URL.
|
| All the above citations from https://www.w3.org/TR/uri-
| clarification/
|
| --
|
| The WHATWG holds a different view:
|
| > Standardize on the term URL. URI and IRI are just confusing.
| [...] URL also easily wins the search result popularity
| contest.
|
| From https://url.spec.whatwg.org/
|
| This may be what the author of the article had in mind.
| cryptos wrote:
| In my (humble) opinion only URL makes much sense in the
| context of the web, since URI could be almost anything
| addressing something (in the internet or not).
| Lammy wrote:
| Needs more CU-SeeMe
| RoastBeats wrote:
| There's a great podcast called Web Masters that actually
| interviews a lot of the people mentioned in this.
|
| Off the top of my head, I've heard episodes with the creators of
| GeoCities, Links From the Underground, and Usenet just to name a
| few.
|
| https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/web-masters/id15300777...
| Brajeshwar wrote:
| Wow! Cool. If I remember correctly, Internet services was
| launched in India on Aug 15, 1995 (Independence Day). While still
| in college, I waited to "read" about it in magazines (which I had
| to specifically ask/order the book shop) that comes a month late
| to my home town.
|
| For the next few years, I learnt and even did HTML page designs
| by reading from these magazines. The day I landed in a bigger
| city (Bombay), the first thing I did was visit an Internet cafe
| and created my Hotmail (I still own it to this day) and a Yahoo
| account. I felt happy, relaxed and visited the beach (my next
| biggest priority) in the evening.
|
| I had a mentor-ish kinda "uncle" whom most other people treated
| as semi-crazy. But he was the one whom I debated endless hours on
| how and why the Internet without even experiencing it way back in
| the early 90s. Now, I understand many things he said, the most
| interesting one being that the Internet will allow anyone to do
| anything from anywhere and that's gonna change everything.
| selimthegrim wrote:
| So wait, Pakistan actually had the Internet before India? (The
| Brain folks in Lahore, etc). Wikipedia says first public
| availability was 1994.
| jayhoffmann wrote:
| You can also sign up for my newsletter, where I regularly sound
| out stories about web history and new additions to the (still
| growing) timeline! https://thehistoryoftheweb.com/
| cxr wrote:
| Please consider removing "font-size: 14px" from the CSS rule
| for the main text of the page.
| cxr wrote:
| There is also a typo for January 26, 1994: "verison"
| [deleted]
| dalu wrote:
| If "the web" means the internet then that's a lie. I remember it
| being available around 1995. And I remember smart, friendly,
| educated people pre y2k, mostly. I remember searching and finding
| meaningful facts as opposed to opinions and half truths post y2k.
| I remember everything being freely available as opposed to the
| pay2 unculture of today. I remember a colorful internet of
| individual sites that was fun to browse as opposed of the
| uniformity and censorship of FacebookTwitterShit.
|
| I remember the internet as a unregulated space the majority
| didn't know or care about where you could do whatever you want.
|
| True freedom is what this felt like. The world was different too.
| More understanding of how people are and behave or misbehave.
| Today's netizens are ignorant assholes for the most part and we
| are at war with each other. HN for instance doesn't allow you to
| write more than 2 or 3 comments in a certain time period.
| Ridiculous. Imagine that in the internet pre y2k.
|
| The internet today is a huge pile of garbage.
| eplanit wrote:
| Really good timeline presentation. I think that Napster/peer-to-
| peer circa 1995 deserves to be added.
| tssva wrote:
| Napster was in 1999.
| CTOSian wrote:
| Early years was really fun esp the mixing between internet and
| the BBS (that were way cheaper to use) eg: Internet outdials via
| BBSs, ftp/web by email (on the BBS again).
|
| Early subscriptions -friggin expensive in comparison to what you
| are getting now (speed+d/l limits) they were mainly dialups to a
| (restricted) shell (SunOS most of them).
| zozbot234 wrote:
| > Early subscriptions -friggin expensive in comparison to what
| you are getting now (speed+d/l limits) they were mainly dialups
| to a (restricted) shell (SunOS most of them).
|
| And now we're back to using cloud accounts with 'friggin
| expensive' egress bandwidth for most of our non-trivial
| Internet needs. (The underlying cause is of course different -
| a combination of IPv4 address exhaustion and the increased
| prevalence of ephemeral mobile connections that are not
| reachable via a single network address. But it's remarkable
| nonetheless.)
| ghaff wrote:
| _Early_ on, e.g. 1980s, the Internet and BBS worlds were pretty
| siloed. But at some point in the 90s, for a lot of people, the
| more commercial BBSs became ISPs. Probably until I eventually
| got broadband around 2000 or so, my ISP was the BBS I
| subscribed to in Cambridge MA for many years.
| flomo wrote:
| Bookmarked as a resource.
|
| It would be interesting to catalog info on primordial pre-web
| internet navigation tech: Gopher, WAIS, etc. Also "the
| competition", e.g. AOL succumbing to the WWW. Might be fun to
| have some stuff like Wired Magazine declaring the WWW to be
| "tired" in 1994 too. It wasn't inevitable.
| ghaff wrote:
| I have the O'Reilly Whole Internet book from the mid-90s. It
| has chapters on all the various Internet services and also has
| a short one on this new-fangled hypertext thing out of CERN
| called the World Wide Web.
| LightG wrote:
| Just mentioning ewtoo talkers for the hell of it ... Surfers in
| particular if anyone is still around.
|
| They had the raw bones of Whatssap down 25 years ago
|
| Was my on-ramp for using the web for social purposes as loads of
| Uni peeps were on it. It was great.
| delgaudm wrote:
| I would've expected TUCOWS or Trumpet Windsock to be mentioned. I
| think those were so instrumental in expanding internet usage and
| usability to home Windows users.
| Kye wrote:
| That time Hacker News did a fundraiser for the Trumpet Winsock
| developer: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2282875
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