[HN Gopher] Catholic priest quits after "anonymized" data reveal...
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Catholic priest quits after "anonymized" data revealed alleged use
of Grindr
Author : tolbish
Score : 57 points
Date : 2021-07-21 17:03 UTC (5 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (arstechnica.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (arstechnica.com)
| Hokusai wrote:
| If he was identified then it was not anonym data. This would be a
| grave break of the GDPR in Europe. Anonymizing data is a hard
| problem that usually requires statisticians.
| IndexPointer wrote:
| How much does it cost to buy that "anonymized" data from grindr
| or tinder?
|
| I feel it could be really useful if I ever need to blackmail
| someone.
| culopatin wrote:
| Poor guy. Meanwhile a bunch of others get protected when they
| touch kids.
|
| Things like these make me want to drop out of anything software
| related and live a life of physical stuff only. Move to a village
| and be the local mechanic or baker without a website and just an
| analog phone line, at most
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| Hmm. Your use of poor guy makes me wonder if I should feel bad
| for him. I don't, because my gut reaction is that he lives off
| of the donations for a religion he doesn't appear to believe in
| himself, and presumably most of the people who pays his salary
| would want him gone. What are the spiritual implications of
| following and confessing to a nonobservant priest to catholics?
| Though I suppose after all the high ranking pedo stuff came out
| anyone who is still a catholic is kind of asking for it.
| 0des wrote:
| >anyone who is still a catholic is kind of asking for it
|
| Would you mind expanding on this?
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| Anyone who is still a Catholic after long running high
| level pedophile coverups and relocations should expect the
| clergy to be a little less than holy, probably.
| adamrezich wrote:
| Catholicism: the one religion you're allowed to openly
| call bullshit without being considered a bigot,
| apparently
| jwalgenbach wrote:
| No. They're all bullshit.
| adamrezich wrote:
| glad you have it all figured out--may I ask how you
| achieved this enlightenment? did the sense of superiority
| over others come with it or was that the result of
| something else?
| headShrinker wrote:
| " makes me wonder if I should feel bad for him. I don't,
| because my gut reaction is that he..."
|
| You don't know him and you can't claim to know what he thinks
| or believes. No one follows the catholic theology to
| absolutely strict adherence. Just some are more strict about
| some aspects. You accusing him of having no faith or belief
| in the religion he has dedicated his life to is offensive.
| Your quick judgement is probably because he's gay... and
| religious, thus a hypocrite, in some peoples eyes. Just
| remember it's the Church that turned away from gays not the
| other way around.
|
| Having to abstain from physical contact with another adult
| human is a deeply unnatural and inhuman protocol. I don't
| judge any one for wanting to touched and loved.
|
| As for your quick and abrasive judgement: A group of men
| preparing to stone an adulterous woman to death were
| addressed by Jesus with the words: 'He that is without sin
| among you, let him first cast a stone at her' (John 8:7).
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| This is just absurdity. They can't have relations, and
| relations with men is an even further crime. I don't care
| that he's gay at all, I'm neither catholic or a Christian.
| But to say he can believe in what he's preaching while he's
| in the upper echelons of the church while using grindr at
| the same time is just lunacy. I mean he doesn't even just
| have a secret boyfriend or something, he's using a hook up
| app. Jesus also destroyed a temple when he found it full of
| merchants,I wonder how he would react to the catholics.
| lupire wrote:
| I recommend you watch Six Feet Under
| gdulli wrote:
| A linked article says that he "held a critical oversight role
| in the Catholic Church's response to the recent spate of
| sexual abuse and misconduct scandals."
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| Well, at least he himself was just using grindr with
| consenting adults. Hopefully, at least.
| headShrinker wrote:
| And hopefully you don't have sex with children. Though we
| don't have any evidence to indicate that you don't... so
| you are suspect. Hopefully you only engage in sex acts
| with consenting adults
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| Well you won't find that my direct peers and companions
| have a recent history of shuffling pedophiles around when
| they're caught so I suspect the situation is a little
| different.
| headShrinker wrote:
| We won't know the depth of your guilt (or innocence)
| until a full investigation is concluded. Your "peers" are
| also suspected child predators.
| [deleted]
| schoolornot wrote:
| AT&T is still installing CarrierIQ on handsets collecting all
| sorts of sensitive info about people.
| tsywke44 wrote:
| It's so interesting. There's a huge amount of privacy-related
| online REEEing about irrelevant issues, such as anonymized error
| telemetry in open source software.
|
| Yet when mobile phone carriers sell your real-time location data
| to random entities, it seems nobody gives a damn.
| kevinventullo wrote:
| My thoughts exactly. You think they'll ever drag the CEO of
| T-Mobile or Xfinity in front of Congress for privacy
| violations?
| tinalumfoil wrote:
| This article is just re-reporting what a newsletter discovered.
| The original article seems like it has more info.
| https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/pillar-investigates-usccb-g...
| elliekelly wrote:
| This article wrongly conflates being gay with being "only a
| step away from sexual predation."
|
| > But any use of the app by the priest could be seen to present
| a conflict with his role in developing and overseeing national
| child protection policies, as Church leaders have called in
| recent months for a greater emphasis on technology
| accountability in Church policies.
|
| That a priest is gay might violate Catholic teaching but it has
| absolutely no bearing whatsoever on his ability to develop
| child protection policies and to suggest his sexuality "could
| be seen to present a conflict" is, at best, willful ignorance.
| lupire wrote:
| A priest who is going to bars has less time for 1:1 private
| contact with children....
| MeinBlutIstBlau wrote:
| No it's not attacking gays. These policies were implemented
| back in the mid 2010s and sexual orientation is irrelevant.
| It's a huge deal where priest basically are held to an even
| higher standard publicly. So while in the 70s this priest
| could've been shifted elsewhere, now because he's publicly a
| sexually active person, the Church wants little to do with
| them.
|
| I've been through like 3 of these types of meetings our
| church made us do (when I was still Catholic). They were more
| like "if you see something, say something" and "how to catch
| a priest predator" inadvertently. It's more like the Catholic
| church only wants virgins and people who can't be proven
| otherwise as priests right now.
| headShrinker wrote:
| " It's more like the Catholic church only wants virgins and
| people who can't be proven otherwise as priests right now."
|
| But let's be honest it's unspoken that they prefer straight
| virgins right?
|
| Actually it's spoken. Quite verbose in fact. The church is
| constantly attacking gays and for them to be non-bias in
| this case is completely out of character and you are giving
| them way too much courtesy.
| nonfamous wrote:
| Focusing on the data privacy angle here, I can see how location
| data from the telcos would allow the publication to identify the
| priest's device ID from the location data, knowing where he
| lives, works, etc. But how did they correlate that with his use
| of the Grindr app? Do the telcos provide data on app usage by
| location and time, or did they somehow get data from Grindr
| directly?
| GeekyBear wrote:
| Including frameworks that collect and sell customer data is one
| of the ways that developers can monetize a free app.
|
| Selling that data to third party data brokers allows the data
| brokers to build up a detailed user profile for pretty much
| everyone.
|
| >The data broker business model involves accumulating
| information about internet users (and non-users) and then
| selling it. As such, data brokers have highly detailed profiles
| on billions of individuals, comprising age, race, sex, weight,
| height, marital status, education level, politics, shopping
| habits, health issues, holiday plans, and more.
|
| These profiles come not just from data you've shared, but from
| data shared by others, and from data that's been inferred. In
| its 2014 report into the industry, the US Federal Trade
| Commission (FTC) showed how a single data broker had 3,000
| "data segments" for nearly every US consumer.
|
| https://theconversation.com/its-time-for-third-party-data-br...
|
| The data brokers buy the data from disparate sources and de-
| anonymize it.
|
| Another example of Grindr profiting off of user data that
| should be kept private:
|
| >Grindr is revealing its users' HIV status to third-party
| companies
|
| https://www.vox.com/2018/4/2/17189078/grindr-hiv-status-data...
| geerlingguy wrote:
| As a Catholic, I thought it might be important to raise one point
| here (since it seems everyone immediately jumps to "the Church is
| firing someone for who he wants to have sex with").
|
| A Roman Catholic[1] priest is obligated (takes a vow when
| ordained) to not have sex with _anyone_ , and it would be
| scandalous to find a priest--especially one with so much power
| and connections--to be hooking up with multiple partners in any
| situation. The app and sexual orientation are immaterial.
|
| The other takeaway is that all the HN preaching about the
| importance of data privacy and how advertisers are grifting us,
| and how 'free' services are _never_ free--this is probably the
| most lucid illustration of those facts yet.
|
| Even those who try to aggregate anonymous data in a safe way are
| never going to be perfect at making sure nobody could associate
| the data back to an individual. The best thing is to not use the
| free (or cheap/ad-heavy) apps and services that do collect
| location information or other identifiable metrics.
|
| [1] There are other parts of the Catholic church where priests
| are allowed to marry, and there actually are some Roman Catholic
| priests who converted from other faiths that allowed marriage,
| who are still married.
| elliekelly wrote:
| If it were only about celibacy then they wouldn't have bothered
| to mention his trips to gay bars. Priests can go to a bar. They
| can drink alcohol. They can exist near and around gay people
| and straight people go to gay bars, too.
| nonfamous wrote:
| Grindr isn't a gay bar directory. It's a hookup app.
| headShrinker wrote:
| He knows that and is alluded to the fact that the article
| mentions the gay bar to taint his character and create a
| narrative that he is lurking on the down low.
|
| Many people go to gay bars not to hook up, but to be around
| other gay people. Gay bars are not a hookup app.
| lupire wrote:
| Why are there gay bars but not gay restaurants or gay
| coffee shops?
| [deleted]
| tolbish wrote:
| I have updated the submission title to reflect the article's
| title change.
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