[HN Gopher] An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as ...
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An app for M1 Macs that plays the sound of a fan as CPU usage goes
up
Author : spideymans
Score : 412 points
Date : 2021-07-18 18:22 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| post_break wrote:
| Whats funny is I had an app crash in the background taking up 80%
| of my cpu on my M1 macbook pro, and only noticed because I
| happened to launch activity monitor for something unrelated. You
| can't do that with any other laptop.
| akraut wrote:
| This reminds me of the old Nullsoft Beep. Some of it was just
| fun, but the hum based on cpu usage was unexpectedly useful.
| Archived here: https://www.1014.org/code/nullsoft/nbeep/
| halotrope wrote:
| It makes me a bit sad that for ten years I took it for granted
| that Moore's law is dead and notebooks are constantly overheating
| incapable computers just to learn that the whole issue was Intel
| messing up their process nodes.
| mlyle wrote:
| It's both. It's harder and harder to grind out progress (and if
| you compare M1 to where the 90's-early 2000's exponential
| progression, we're not so close).
|
| As it gets harder, it becomes more capital intensive and the
| probability of success on any given process node decreases. The
| marginal utility of a doubling of computing is likely
| decreasing with time, too.
|
| At some point, these factors are going to compound to slow
| progress. Or: exponential progressions never continue forever.
| brokencode wrote:
| I don't think the marginal utility of doubling computing will
| diminish any time soon. As we gain more computing power, we
| just start doing more and more computation heavy tasks that
| weren't possible before.
|
| For example, VR games are notoriously demanding on today's
| hardware, especially if you want to put that hardware in the
| headset.
|
| And many applications get slower over time, not faster, as
| new features are added. This is especially true in an era of
| cross platform frameworks that are convenient for developers,
| but are much slower than native.
| Justsignedup wrote:
| Also old programs had to hyoeroptimize because it either is
| that or it's too slow.
|
| Today the speed of the computer makes it incredibly
| forgiving.
| blunte wrote:
| Haha! I sort of need this. It's amazing how the only time I
| realize I have a runaway process is if my laptop heats up.
|
| It's truly incredible how much serious heavy work I do on a
| "little" M1 Air.
|
| MySQL and Postgres, Redis, Sidekiqs, Mailcatcher (small, but
| still), a couple of Rails apps, Spotify, Spark mail app, Firefox
| with dozens of tabs, Safari, Calendar, Photos in the background
| hopefully identifying faces, etc. etc.
|
| I do three times as much on this machine as I could do on my 32GB
| i7 Dell. There's some magic in here.
|
| I still cannot build some older versions of libraries. So I do a
| little of my work on an old Intel Mac. But that's not the
| architecture problem, that's a problem of fragile builds.
| sgt wrote:
| Makes me want to replace my i7 MBP sooner than I was planning!
| blunte wrote:
| I thought this Air would be a placeholder until the M1 MBP,
| but unless you need a real GPU, I find this more than good
| enough. I won't need to upgrade.
| akmarinov wrote:
| No troll, the fan shutting off was how I knew my app had compiled
| and I could start debugging.
|
| With the M1, I now have to check the cpu usage history
| occasionally.
| bentcorner wrote:
| Honestly I believe that as developers we don't use audible
| feedback enough in our tooling.
|
| Imagine diagnosing your app health like you could diagnose your
| connection speed of a dial-up modem.
| morcheeba wrote:
| I've been feeling just the opposite - I've been using an IDE
| from the mid-2000s for a legacy project, and it's amazing how
| things have changed. The search function dings a bell if
| nothing is found, and it does it in real-time as you type...
| so it gets annoying really quick (no auto-complete, and not
| even ctrl-v to paste in to the search query)
| samat wrote:
| remember ping? -a Audible. Include a
| bell (ASCII 0x07) character in the output
| when any packet is received. This option is ignored if other
| format options are present.
| function_seven wrote:
| Agreed. I usually laugh at TV shows and movies that use a
| bunch of beeps and boops in their computer scenes.[1]
|
| But sometimes I actually _want_ that! Like, if there was a
| switch I could flip to turn on audio cues every time a window
| 's contents are updated, or new lines appear in a terminal
| window. And every window update would be tagged with a
| different sound for error, warning, info, success, etc.
|
| I know you can configure your terminal to play a BEL sound,
| but I'm looking for something system-wide. I want it like the
| movies, so I can pay attention to something else and not have
| to check in on the progress of my compilation or transcoding
| or long download.
| cesarb wrote:
| > Honestly I believe that as developers we don't use audible
| feedback enough in our tooling.
|
| Allow me to point out a very cool project I saw in the early
| 2000s, which unfortunately seems to have been abandoned and
| forgotten: http://peep.sourceforge.net/intro.html (Peep (The
| Network Auralizer): Monitoring your network with sound).
| jareklupinski wrote:
| i stick the OS's equivalent of `bell` at the end of long-
| running scripts :)
| bangonkeyboard wrote:
| && say 'All done, come get some'
| lucb1e wrote:
| For the Linux users && espeak "job's
| done"
| jheriko wrote:
| jesus wept. are your builds that slow, or your inability to add
| notifications that real?
|
| not sure if programmer, or just troll...
| stephencanon wrote:
| The fan _was_ their notification. Why would they have wasted
| time adding another?
| pasc1878 wrote:
| Because the fan will continue for some time after the
| compile finishes. So you can do work before the fan stoos
| yoz-y wrote:
| Depending on the cooling solution the temperature can
| drop like a brick. On my desktop I can go 75deg to dead
| silent in about three seconds.
| mirekrusin wrote:
| ./build && say "done"
| sgt wrote:
| You wouldn't be able to hear that when the fan on my MBP
| is blowing at its peak :-)
| deepkerenl wrote:
| This is a joke, right? I've had my M1 for almost a month, and I
| have zero complaints about the LACK of sound from the fans.
| danieldk wrote:
| This is funny, but I prefer my computers silent.
|
| Semi-related: I can hear the inductors on my NVIDIA GPU, which is
| somewhat useful. When I am training deep learning models, the
| coil whine follows very regular patterns. Also, the pattern
| changes between training and validation. So, I can literally hear
| when an epoch is done.
|
| (Of course, TensorBoard for the real monitoring.)
| Scene_Cast2 wrote:
| Do you do anything special for cooling the GPUs? I mounted a
| giant CPU heatsink to my gtx 1080, and it still has to turn on
| the fans when running ML workloads.
| semi-extrinsic wrote:
| If you have something that produces ~300 W of heat and you
| want to keep it from becoming hot, you're going to need
| either fans or liquid cooling (which also has fans, on the
| radiator).
| abledon wrote:
| When I'm training a model on a RTX 2070, i have a 'ticking'
| coilwhine that ticks every 1second... kinda funny that it only
| happens when i do that
| savant_penguin wrote:
| I can relate 100%
|
| I could literally hear the minibatches running, they sound more
| or less evenly spaced treek..treek.. and when it's at the end
| of the epoch, the larger batch for validation begins, it's a
| much longer treeeek
| amelius wrote:
| Do you also hear this when your speakers/audio system are off?
| HPsquared wrote:
| I'm not GP, but yes: coil whine is audible as a high
| frequency whine/buzz, caused by power supply components
| (inductors) physically vibrating at high frequency.
| amelius wrote:
| Certainly, I was just curious if they were hearing coil
| whine.
| yoz-y wrote:
| Hm. How about a nice colored Touch Bar widget that would change
| depending on temperature and load? At least it would make the bar
| useful.
| mlajtos wrote:
| I don't get the hate for TouchBar. I have the one with the
| physical Esc key and it proved useful number of times. Fast-
| forwarding ads on YouTube was nice until I discovered good
| adblock. Screenshot shortcut always ready. Emoticons ditto.
| Shortcut to format my code or comment a line of code in Xcode?
| Yup, thank you.
| JoeAltmaier wrote:
| I've long thought an auditory cue would be helpful when my
| computer is chewing on something. Maybe it could hum tunelessly,
| or breath harder when it was working hard. Or get excited and
| sigh when it finished. Something human.
| wrboyce wrote:
| Currently sat in my home-office, mid British heatwave, and my
| trashcan Mac Pro has been the primary noise for days; I wish I
| needed this.
| gchamonlive wrote:
| Just like the turn signal clicking for cars
| radley wrote:
| Or more like fake engine sounds for electric cars.
| bsharitt wrote:
| Outside of work provided computers, I've not been a Mac user for
| many years, but the M1 Macbook Air brought me back and it's been
| great. It's basically the laptop I've been waiting years for,
| silent with no moving parts and very little in the way of
| compromises(I don't personally have any need for super long
| running CPU intensive tasks). It's weird to see it compile code
| or encode video without fans ramping up, and even if does start
| to throttle toward the end of the longer tasks, it still beats my
| fairly recent i7 work MacBook Pro and my Ryzen 7 4700U Windows
| laptop most of the time.
| jmkni wrote:
| Pre M1, I've always preferred a PC.
|
| When I'm using a laptop, especially doing real work, they heat
| up, the fans go crazy, the laptop is hot to the touch and
| everything slows down.
|
| It almost makes you anxious. You're wondering if it's about to
| crash or go on fire.
|
| I've always kept a Desktop PC on the go for this reason, a well
| cooled desktop just doesn't have these issues. With a laptop, I
| always feel like I'm compromising a bit.
|
| I got an M1 Macbook Pro recently and it just doesn't have these
| issues, I fire up my whole dev environment and get busy, and it's
| still quiet and (mostly) cool, and I can't notice anything
| slowing down.
|
| I don't care so much about the architecture differences, x64 vs
| ARM etc, but the fact that I can finally use a laptop like a
| desktop is massive.
| seanalexander wrote:
| I'm eager to see what can be done with the desktop tower
| workstation post-M1. I don't think anyone actually wants to
| have a slim laptop and use "the cloud" to "download more
| memory" but here we are in 2021 where people are saying 16gb
| max ram is good.
| enlyth wrote:
| A bit of a tangent but I am quite impressed how Apple's
| marketing campaign was so effective that they've managed to
| redefine what PC (personal computer) means
| alisonkisk wrote:
| PC originally meant "IBM PC desktop clone". Apple was
| different because it's hardware wasn't compatible with PC
| software (for mainstream users).
| wumpus wrote:
| > PC originally meant "IBM PC desktop clone".
|
| You're misremembering history. It eventually evolved into
| that, yes.
|
| Apple didn't really buy into that until the "I'm a Mac/I'm
| a PC" ads.
| enlyth wrote:
| The only reason I mentioned it is because OP's usage caught
| me off guard. Most of the time in colloquial usage I've
| seen PC used as an acronym to mean "computer with Windows
| installed as the OS", especially when being compared to
| Apple's products.
|
| But in this case it was used as "desktop computer", which
| sounded strange to me as I consider laptops, however
| portable, to be personal computers.
| [deleted]
| hollerith wrote:
| I agree with all of that -- and regret the recent trend
| of using "PC" to mean desktop as opposed to laptop -- but
| what does any of that have to do with Apple's marketing?
|
| You don't think Apple's marketing is behind the
| aforementioned recent trend; do you?
| enlyth wrote:
| My understanding was that Apple's marketing created the
| initial deviation from the original meaning which led to
| the current one, but yes seeing what other people are
| commenting now it's not that simple and I was wrong on my
| assumption
| reaperducer wrote:
| "PC" was "personal computer" years before the IBM PC. Just
| look at old computer magazines.
|
| The whole reason the phrase "IBM PC" existed was to
| differentiate it from the other PCs that already existed.
| "IBM" was the adjective. "PC" was the noun.
|
| Because of its success in offices, "IBM PC" became just
| "PC" the same way other words like "omnibus" became just
| "bus" because it's simpler to say.
| Aaargh20318 wrote:
| Wasn't 'home computer' the generally used term before the
| IBM 5150 ?
| wumpus wrote:
| I don't think so. Comparing use of these terms in books:
|
| https://books.archivelab.org/dateviz/?q=home+computer
|
| https://books.archivelab.org/dateviz/?q=personal+computer
|
| Personal computer was used a lot more when books were
| eventually written about the era.
| chairmanmow wrote:
| This is the correct answer - and PC originally, or
| "Personal Computer" is more of a distinction from old
| school mainframe computers that lived in a lab or
| wherever and took up entire rooms.
| Shorel wrote:
| By being actual PC compatible hardware for about a decade.
| monkaiju wrote:
| I've been on a ThinkPad X1 Extreme for almost 2 years (gen 2
| with the i9) and never had any noise or throttling issues. I
| sit next to my partner (also a dev) and their i9 macbook pro
| regularly spins up then throttles the cpu a ton. We've seen it
| regularly throttle down by 70-82% (measured with pmset -g
| thermlog)
|
| Just saying, I definitely get the feeling Apple values form
| over function. His biggest issues happen when he's using Docker
| (the annoying Docker for Desktop version) but I also use Docker
| all day and dont have any issues...
| __MatrixMan__ wrote:
| The uncomfortable heat/fan issue is what ultimately pushed me
| over the edge to become familiar with Kubernetes. Now I just
| offload the compute heavy tasks to a desktop in a different
| room.
| Rd6n6 wrote:
| I just looked up some benchmarks. Apparently a m1 is 2-4x
| faster at many tasks than my wife's gaming desktop from 5 years
| ago. It's comparable in many benchmarks to my ryzen cpu as
| well?
|
| What's the catch?
| RandomWorker wrote:
| The catch is that you are using untested hardware. You have
| no idea if this will last, who will support what, and
| potentially risk money and your data. Thing is the upside for
| us as a consumer is insane. Tbh buy a MacBook is 20/30% more
| expensive than equivalent type specs on windows. But in the
| case of the air that's 200/300 dollars. Just to try and test
| this new hardware if it's your main device. It's a lot of
| risk.
|
| I feel confident running the system for a while now. Seeing
| more software come on board. Even for the extra money, I say
| go. I'm a dev/product designer, most of my work is coding,
| product development, product management and graphical design.
| It does everything I need faster, no lag.
| Retr0id wrote:
| The only real catch is that you're currently limited to only
| 16GB of RAM.
| minusf wrote:
| and big sur and up... unfortunately the quality of the OS
| is not keeping up with the quality of the hw.
| EugeneOZ wrote:
| The best OS of existing.
| seanalexander wrote:
| Surely you're joking here.
| Rd6n6 wrote:
| How so?
| minusf wrote:
| let's not go there :} life is too short to compile bug
| lists for macos.
| toxik wrote:
| I feel like the critical bug list being short is
| basically THE reason power users would go for Apple
| laptops.
| marcosdumay wrote:
| Is this a "hardware have gotten fast enough" situation?
|
| My latest laptop (Ryzen 7) takes a lot of beating before
| putting the fans at an audible speed. I've never seen this
| happen in laptops before either. (But well, my last one didn't
| slow down either, it just started making some noise.)
| johnebgd wrote:
| My Core i9 laptop has fans on just about as soon as it boots.
| rambambram wrote:
| Must be nice, using a fresh machine that's so silent. I
| recently switched from a powerful desktop PC with noisy fans to
| a passively cooled RPi4 running Ubuntu Mate. I just feel my
| productivity and focus going up now I don't hear the equivalent
| of a small fighter jet taking off. The RPi4 is still a fighter
| though, very quick and powerful for it's size, price and specs.
| rbanffy wrote:
| I like my 15" MBP, but the fans are extremely annoying. I had
| to switch IntelliJ to power save mode so I can hear what I'm
| thinking.
|
| It's quite surreal the big Xeon server (an actual server,
| with optional rackmounts) with lots of spinning rust under
| the desk is still much less distracting.
| porknubbins wrote:
| As a hardware nerd I always kind of like that moment when the
| CPU starts really working and you hear fans spin way up. The
| auditory feedback is like a throwback to a more mechanical age,
| like a manual transmission vehicle where you can judge when to
| shift by engine speed.
| wumpus wrote:
| ... and then you get an electric car, and the only time you
| have any auditory feedback is when it's very hot out and you
| supercharge.
| thelopa wrote:
| When I replaced all my spinning disks with SSDs and fans with
| ultra quiet ones I realized just how much I relied on fan
| noise to signal things. E.g. if my computer isn't visibly on,
| the fan/disk noise tells me whether I need to power it on or
| just wake it. I've had to start changing my habits as a
| result.
| laurent92 wrote:
| And it dates back from 1988 for me. I'd always rely on the
| nice scratching sound of the HDD and the LED to know
| whether my computer had crashed or was just loading. There
| was no need for a spinning wheel when you could hear the
| data getting loaded ;)
| skavi wrote:
| I like it if the laptop only starts the fan up when the
| device actually is working. Not constantly turning it on and
| off during like light web browsing.
|
| My 2018 MBP 13" and the Surface Laptop I've tried did that
| well. An XPS 15 I'm currently using does not.
| freeone3000 wrote:
| Web browsing isn't a light activity anymore. Web pages
| consume more memory and more CPU than my text editor
| skavi wrote:
| That's why I specified "light web browsing".
| alienalp wrote:
| M1 mac is also my first Apple product. And now i bought magic
| mouse 2 and fuck Apple. It is like laggy.
| forrestthewoods wrote:
| Same.
|
| The problem is now my work desktop is a 32-core Threadripper w/
| huge GPU and way too much ram.
|
| It's kinda nice knowing that if my computer ever slows down
| it's because of bad programming and not having a too slow
| computer.
|
| I want to like laptops. I really really do. But they're slower,
| have bad keyboards, and have tiny screens. Or I'm docked and
| the fact that it's a laptop isn't meaningful.
|
| That said, I can't fricken wait to see Apple build a beast of a
| desktop with their silicon. I just really really hope the GPU
| doesn't suck. Lack of good GPU on Mac is a huge problem for
| certain lines of work.
| moreira wrote:
| > Or I'm docked and the fact that it's a laptop isn't
| meaningful.
|
| You might be underestimating the value in that. I've been
| working off of MacBooks since 2011, and for almost all of
| that time I've had them docked and hooked up to multiple
| monitors, and working just like a desktop.
|
| But if I ever need to go anywhere, meet a client, travel, go
| to another room/office, I just unplug and go. If power goes,
| I don't lose anything, the laptop is still running. Whatever
| happens, it's all there with me, always. It's not as
| comfortable when it's on laptop mode but it's better to have
| a less comfortable experience than not having it available at
| all.
|
| It's a portable desktop. And I love it. But yeah if you're
| looking for workstation-level specs, then yeah, a laptop is
| never going to be enough.
| forrestthewoods wrote:
| My primary home computer for several years was a docked
| laptop. Overall I was disappointed and went back to a full
| desktop.
|
| > If power goes, I don't lose anything, the laptop is still
| running.
|
| What kind of monster doesn't use a UPS!? =P
|
| I mostly work in games and VR. Maybe someday there will be
| a laptop that doesn't suck for game development. Sadly that
| day has not yet come.
| grumpyprole wrote:
| I think this is an Intel "feature". They can't upsell you
| faster CPU's without trading heat and noise. Glad to see Apple
| is following a much more sensible approach.
| [deleted]
| RandomWorker wrote:
| Same here, it's like a freaky experience. I run mostly from the
| browser but have a couple of things going at the same time. One
| thing I noticed is the blazing fast typing on the Mac. There is
| an ever so small lag on windows in perceptible when using it.
| But, when you type on the Mac you notice it, and the brain just
| feels good using it. I have no idea if this is a real thing,
| but it's similar with scrolling, you touch the track pad and
| things move. Independent of the load I'm running. Now, that
| many applications are moving to M1 compatible I'm thinking of
| replace my windows box with a mini+two external hard drives. I
| can't imagine what will happen when they release a new
| processor. This one does more than enough.
| lukevp wrote:
| One of the reasons iOS feels smoother than Android is because
| the render loop of the OS is decoupled from the app. The apps
| aren't allowed to introduce jank, so if you're scrolling a
| webpage and stuff is loading simultaneously, iOS will be way
| smoother. I think this is also why they can have such low
| latency on inputs, for example with the Apple Pencil which is
| much lower latency than the surface pen or the android
| stylus. I had a 120hz android phone for over a year, and
| while the frame rate when scrolling is slightly worse on iOS,
| overall the OS feels more fluid to me. On a 120hz iPad it's
| no comparison.
|
| I am speculating here as I don't know for sure, but I
| remember iOS started as a derivation of OSX so this may be
| the case for macOS as well. So I think it's not your
| imagination, it's a different input and render architecture
| than windows or android.
| happytoexplain wrote:
| >the render loop of the OS is decoupled from the app
|
| Can you elaborate on this? If you do too much work on the
| main thread in iOS, it's going to hang the UI. Isn't the
| main thread the "render thread"? Do scroll views have some
| kind of special escape hatch to get off the main thread for
| continuing to scroll if the main thread is blocked with
| loading the content?
| user-the-name wrote:
| UIView animations do not run on the main thread, and will
| not be blocked if the main thread is blocked. This does
| help a bit with keeping the OS feeling smooth, but it is
| far from the only reason.
| ubertoop wrote:
| I believe the point is that the "main thread" for your
| iOS application, is not the main thread of the OS.
| They're totally decoupled.
| IAmLiterallyAB wrote:
| Err, same with Android? And every OS ever. That's just
| standard process isolation. Or am I misunderstanding
| something?
| brianwawok wrote:
| There's some deep dive articles on the way the input loop
| works. But OP is correct, and the reason iOS feels
| smoother. Android has a lot more UI lag.
| ocbyc wrote:
| I'm sorry, I have an Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra with 120mhz.
| Using my girlfriends iPhone 12 makes me dizzy.
|
| 120hz is something you don't notice much when you enable
| it, but you definitely notice when it's gone.
| ajconway wrote:
| This is not entirely accurate. iOS indeed uses a client-
| server UI model, kind of similar to X11. Along with
| submitting "widget" hierarchy updates, it also supports
| submitting "animations". The downside is that the animation
| states are not truly accessible by the actual app after it
| submits them.
|
| The scrolling animation is 99.9% of the time implemented as
| a client-side animation timer submitting non-animated
| hierarchy updates to the server. It's common to have janky
| scrolling.
| skavi wrote:
| > Along with submitting "widget" hierarchy updates, it
| also supports submitting "animations".
|
| Is that how all these third party iOS apps all have
| completely consistent "pop" animations on long press?
| gambiting wrote:
| I wonder what made apple give the iPad Pro such an awful
| screen though, considering all the software optimisations
| that they do. I got the M1 iPad a month ago, and the screen
| has absolutely horrendous ghosting issues, like, what is
| this? An LCD from 2001? Just open the settings app, and
| quickly scroll the options up and down - white text on the
| black background leaves such a visible smudge, it bothers
| me massively when scrolling through websites or apps in
| dark mode, it honestly doesn't feel like an apple product
| to me. Honestly haven't seen this issue on any screen in
| the past 10 years, and here this brand new(and very
| expensive) iPad with 120Hz screen has something that looks
| like 50-100ms gray to gray refresh time.
| ideamotor wrote:
| I'm worried the upcoming upgraded MBP will only have this
| option. Although I read they released an update that
| should minimize this issue. Have you tried that?
| baybal2 wrote:
| Display on microled Ipad pro is Apple's first more or
| less own display. The panel itself is LG's I believe.
| parasubvert wrote:
| This is a very interesting anecdote considering the m1
| IPad Pro is supposed to have one of the best screens
| available on any device that form factor, the same XDR
| display technology as their $5000+ monsters. Every
| reviewer has mentioned the display as the selling point.
| I have looked at them in person and have debating buying
| one, but Next time I'm at an Apple Store I'll want to see
| if I can replicate what you're seeing.
|
| You might be experiencing the mini-LED effect where the
| back lighting is regionalized, which isn't ghosting but
| can be noticeable.
| gambiting wrote:
| It's on the 11" model, so definitely not a mini-LED
| issue.
| skavi wrote:
| Edit: the parent commenter does not have a miniLED iPad.
|
| If you have the 12.9" M1 iPad, the ghosting is likely due
| to the new miniLED backlight which was introduced with
| that model.
|
| This backlight is not static, but tracks to content in
| order to increase effective contrast (similar to FALD
| backlights on higher end LCD TVs). If the backlight does
| not track the LCD content fast enough, there can be
| ghosting.
|
| In addition, since the LEDs are large compared to pixels,
| you can sometimes see haloing, particularly in small bits
| of white on a black background.
|
| Overall, while the display is great for video, especially
| HDR video, it has some problems with UI and (white on
| black) text.
| gambiting wrote:
| It's on the 11" model, so regular old LCD model, not the
| new fancy microled.
| tshaddox wrote:
| I'm guessing it must be an issue with those new miniLED
| screens, or some other significant generational problem.
| I have two older 12.9" iPad Pros, one 1st generation and
| one 2nd generation (the first with the 120hz display).
| They are both excellent displays with no such issues with
| motion or ghosting.
| testfoobar wrote:
| Typing lag is such a sad result of all our modern computing
| abstractions.
|
| https://www.extremetech.com/computing/261148-modern-
| computer...
| willyt wrote:
| Sounds broken? Return it.
| grishka wrote:
| Hm. I've always thought it was more of a result of our
| current display technology? Digital displays buffer an
| entire frame before they display it. Sometimes several
| frames. And the refresh rate is usually 60 Hz so each
| buffered frame adds a delay of 16 ms. CRTs on the other
| hand have basically zero latency because the signal coming
| in directly controls the intensity of the beam as it draws
| the picture.
|
| Anyway, is it any better on displays that have a higher
| refresh rate? I feel like it should make a substantial
| difference.
| dreamcompiler wrote:
| CRTs are potentially worse. It takes the electron beam 16
| ms to paint the screen. If the electron beam is halfway
| down the screen and you change a pixel right above where
| the beam just painted, you'll have to wait 16 ms before
| you see anything change.
|
| All CRT displays attached to computers in the last 40
| years were driven from memory buffers just like LCDs, and
| those buffers were typically only allowed to change while
| the electron beam was "off", i.e. moving from the bottom
| of the screen back to the top. Letting the buffer change
| while the beam is writing results in "tearing" the image,
| which was usually considered a bad thing.
| Terretta wrote:
| > _CRTs are potentially worse._
|
| Video game aficionados would like to have a word with
| you:
|
| https://www.wired.com/story/crt-tube-tv-hot-gaming-tech-
| retr...
|
| To be fair, much of this is the color and shape
| rendering, where pixel art had been tailored for CRTs.
|
| Twitchy gamers do swear by "zero input lag" but are
| perhaps just nostalgic, difference is likely to be 8ms
| vs. 10ms:
|
| _"Using the industry-standard definition of input lag,
| 60Hz CRTs don 't have 0ms input lag. 60Hz CRTs have 8.3ms
| of input lag..."_
|
| https://www.resetera.com/threads/crts-have-8-3ms-of-
| input-la...
| vbezhenar wrote:
| I don't think that LCD buffer anything. I've experienced
| screen tearing which should not happen with buffering.
| Most applications implement some kind of vsync which
| introduces buffering and related delays indeed.
|
| Best option is to use adaptive sync and get rid of vsync.
| But support for this technology is surprisingly not
| mature, it works mostly in games.
| wtallis wrote:
| Screen tearing happens when the software swaps buffers on
| the GPU while the GPU is in the middle of reading out a
| buffer to send to the monitor. That tearing has nothing
| at all to do with whatever buffering is or isn't
| happening in the display itself, because the
| discontinuity is actually present in the data stream sent
| to the display.
| shrimpx wrote:
| The temperature of the laptop is an accurate enough replacement
| for fan noise (if you use it normally, not in clamshell mode). I
| notice that I've become far more sensitive to subtle temperature
| changes in my M1 than I used to be in prior fan-cooled laptops.
| Probably because the fan tends to come on before the machine
| heats up to the touch, so temperature was a weak, secondary cue.
| ranrotx wrote:
| I mean, how else are we supposed to know the CPU is busy?
| cowmix wrote:
| https://www.motor1.com/news/520409/ford-mustang-mache-gasoli...
| maxdo wrote:
| It's like when person drive tesla, it drives fast, but no ugly
| vibration and noise that most of the people used to associate
| with performance car. But some people crave for these sounds. I
| saw some modes doing that lol :) Kind of cargo cult. They pray
| for uncomfortable attributes but not actual speed.
| spacedcowboy wrote:
| Not sure about that. The ride I took in a model X was pretty
| uncomfortable for a $100k car. Turned me off Tesla as an
| option.
| panda88888 wrote:
| Is there a version with engine sound instead? :)
| habibur wrote:
| Reminds me, 10 years back, battery cars suddenly seemed so much
| silent, that they added engine noise played on speaker to alert
| pedestrians.
| alisonkisk wrote:
| "suddenly" was because that's when they started existing in
| noticeable numbers.
| kube-system wrote:
| No, it's because vehicles before then were not required to
| meet minimum sound requirements by law. Check the spec sheets
| of HEV/PHEV/EV vehicles made before then -- they don't have
| acoustic alerting systems. Now they _all_ do (in the
| jurisdictions that require it).
| Someone wrote:
| In both the USA and the EU, that's more or less (doesn't have
| to be engine sounds, I think, but sounds are required) by law.
| See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_vehicle_warning_soun
| d....
| jheriko wrote:
| how about an actual fan to improve performance? :)
| mortenjorck wrote:
| Guilherme Rambo's famed skills at discovering unannounced
| features and products may be a thorn in Apple's side, but this is
| inadvertently the best ad he's ever made for them.
| hackathonguy wrote:
| Wondering if it's just me: I bought an M1 MacBook Air with 8GB of
| RAM, based on reports saying that RAM management is much more
| effective than with Intel CPUs. Ever since, I'm really struggling
| with load management. I typically have Chrome open with 20-30
| tabs, plus a couple of Electron apps (Notion, Slack, Google
| Calendar), and my MacBook frequently slows down to a crawl or
| gets stuck entirely. Simple commands - "close all tabs" in Chrome
| - can take 50 seconds to execute. Is anyone else experiencing the
| same?
| Shorel wrote:
| Want to use "apps" that run in a browser. Then just open them
| in a browser.
|
| That's what I do with Teams, Discord and so on.
|
| Much better than opening many isolated browser runtimes for
| what's essentially badly optimized webpages.
| wffurr wrote:
| And if you want the separate window so you can pretend
| they're apps, use the "create shortcut" option in the menu.
| owenversteeg wrote:
| Hmm. I've never ran into that myself and I've used a lot of
| swap on my 8gb M1 Air, so you may be running into another
| issue, but one thing I have noticed is that performance is far
| better with native Apple apps. I switched to using Slack in the
| browser and Safari as my main browser and battery life and
| performance have been amazing.
| megablast wrote:
| Nope. Got the 8gb too. I have xcode, firefox, safari, mail and
| a lot more. No issues, apart from xcode because it sucks, and
| has sucked for years.
|
| Chrome is your problem.
| varispeed wrote:
| Are you using an AdBlock? If not, maybe that's why Chrome is
| struggling. All these adverts eat resources like crazy.
| ryanSrich wrote:
| Can anyone explain to me the psychology of having 30 tabs open?
| Why not just bookmark the URLs to an ephemeral folder or
| something? Having more than 10 tabs open is beyond stressful
| for me, and honestly I can't see how having more open would
| make anyone more productive. Really curious to learn about
| other workflows and excessive tab use is one I'm morbidly
| curious about.
| Tsiklon wrote:
| Personally on my phone and work computer I keep legion number
| of tabs open. On my phone, it's because using bookmarks is
| slower than opening the tab menu. Plus the OS will swap out
| tabs that haven't been used in a while
|
| With a work perspective in mind I have one window set up per
| task, I use tree style tabs on Firefox, and at a glance I can
| see the complete context of a task I'm researching, just from
| the decision tree the tab branches show. Every potentially
| interesting link that'll help me with my task gets opened on
| a branch below the parent, then reviewed and filtered. This
| is tremendously useful when it comes to writing up
| documentation or updating tickets and the like.
| barrkel wrote:
| Bookmarks are like a bin things get thrown into and
| completely forgotten about. I open a bookmark maybe once a
| week, and then it's usually for something like accessing the
| wifi router, or a bookmarklet for adapting a web site.
|
| Tabs are like a TODO list. If something needs to have
| attention paid to it, and then dismissed, I open a tab for
| it.
|
| (Of course, I use Firefox & Tree Style Tabs. I find Chrome
| almost unusable due to its tabbing idiom.)
| ryanSrich wrote:
| Interesting.
|
| I'd never be able to use Tabs as todos because I personally
| use tabs very ephemerally. Closing out of chrome with 3
| profiles and 10 tabs each open is nothing to me because I
| don't care what tabs are open. If they're important links
| then I've already written them down in Roam and/or
| bookmarked them.
|
| question - how do you find anything? Maybe it's the fact
| that I've never used tree tabs, but finding the link you
| used last week or last month to complete a task sounds like
| a nightmare without bookmarking it. Contrast this with my
| workflow, which doesn't rely on tabs, and I can easily find
| it in my notes in less than 10 seconds.
| leppr wrote:
| Firefox suggests open tabs by default when typing in the
| address bar.
| megablast wrote:
| 30 tabs is like 30 apps. Once might be a word processor,
| texting, image editor, etc...
| matznerd wrote:
| How can you do research without going beyond 10 tabs? I
| typically go horizontal. If i'm trying to solve problem, will
| middle click on top 5 results etc and go through them until
| problem solved. Then there is research on various topics that
| require deep dives into papers, those papers then have
| citations that require other papers or open up other queries.
| Then going through email generate various links that I need
| to see, via google alerts, groups etc, and that doesn't even
| get started with links generated out of hn/reddit etc. How do
| you get away with less than 10 tabs? I also use multiple tab
| managing plugins not just for memory, but for searching
| between open tabs, and then to manage and collapse entire
| windows etc...
| ryanSrich wrote:
| My workflow for research is like this:
|
| - open link, determine if it's relevant or not. If it's
| relevant, but not relevant right now, I'll dump it into my
| notes.
|
| - then I close the tab. Pretty simple.
|
| - when the time comes where that link is relevant again,
| I'll find it in my notes and open it.
|
| - I really don't find any value in having tabs open that
| aren't immediately relevant to what I'm doing. 10 seems
| like the upper limit of focus for me.
| leppr wrote:
| Tabs are like temporary bookmarks. I use 1 window per task
| and usually open links in new tabs. I don't need to do
| anything to pause a task: simply minimize the window and the
| tab unloader extension does the work of automatically keeping
| my RAM from overflowing.
|
| When returning to the task, I just focus the window and
| instantly have a picture of my previous progression. In case
| of a computer crash or restart, it's been years since the
| Firefox session restore function ever failed me. That step in
| booting up the computer is quite painful though, the browser
| can take a good 60 seconds to restore the previous session.
|
| When I'm done with a task for good, I just close the window.
| Workspaces help in keeping my Taskbar and Alt+Tab workflow
| clean as well. I often have 1000+ tabs "open".
| LASR wrote:
| Yes. The M1 is not magic. Or at least it has limits.
| klohto wrote:
| Well it definitely is more efficient but RAM is still RAM...
| Swapping whole 8 gigs will make your system sluggish no matter
| what. I feel like 8GB is fine if your usage is really light,
| but swapping more than 70% will slow it down extensively. On
| the other hand there is a whole camp of people who run heavy
| dev suites on 8GB and don't have these issues, so it might
| really be a faulty line. It's the first version in the end.
| dstick wrote:
| > plus a couple of Electron apps
|
| I'm afraid that might be your problem right there :(
| hirako2000 wrote:
| I confirm. Embedded nodes each take a few hundreds of
| megabyte. It looked cool when we had 2 electron apps out
| there, now with so many of them good by ram.not mentioning
| apps developed in a few months rather than years, packed with
| features to become more memory hungry than the OS. MS Team is
| a particular offender.
| lukevp wrote:
| Evergreen webviews baked into the OS are the next frontier
| of desktop app development. They can share a renderer and
| have much lower memory usage per app as a result - see the
| changes in Windows 11. Couple that with a lighter weight
| desktop compatibility shim to break out of the sandbox
| conditionally (like Tauri does in Rust) and this
| architecture can be totally fine. The issue isn't the
| concept of using web technologies, it's just the current
| implementation that was needed to make everything work on
| our existing platforms.
|
| Mac will be a holdout because they heart native but
| hopefully will concede at some point because more and more
| people are going to deploy apps this way from here on out.
| It's not worth it to employ native app developers for each
| platform except for the largest of the large companies.
| hollerith wrote:
| >It's not worth it to employ native app developers for
| each platform except for the largest of the large
| companies.
|
| Programmers have ported Emacs to the native GUIs for
| MacOS, Windows and Linux (and 80% of respondents to a
| recent Emacs survey prefer to use one of those GUIs
| rather than Emacs's TTY interface), so "largest of the
| large companies" is going a little too far.
| dragonwriter wrote:
| > Programmers have ported Emacs to the native GUIs for
| MacOS, Windows and Linux
|
| That doesn't mean it would be commercially worthwhile to
| employ them to do so; volunteers do lots of things that
| wouldn't worthwhile to employ people to do. OTOH, wanting
| volunteers doesn't make it happen.
| Klonoar wrote:
| This will never be the same as Electron due to
| differences in the various rendering engines (e.g,
| Webkit2/WKWebView/WebView2 all have subtle differences),
| and this isn't accounting for version differences.
|
| The reason people ship Electron is because Electron is
| literally the same thing wherever you shove it. You can
| search on this very forum for comments from the dev who
| migrated Slack from per-platform-WebViews to Electron.
| qeternity wrote:
| Anecdotally, the M1 feels very performant with 8gb (I have MBP
| and Mini 8gb variants) compared to my 16gb Intel MBP and my
| 32gb Hackintosh.
|
| That said - it's not magic. 30 tabs in Chrome is a lot if
| you're not using a tab suspender extension. But one thing I do
| notice is that when a Rosetta 2 app is running, the entire
| machine seems to take a hit. I would check the architecture of
| your apps and see if you have any x86 apps running.
| matznerd wrote:
| Lol 30 tabs is a lot? I'm running 32 gb ram on windows
| i7-6700 3.4 ghz on mini ATX and currently have 883 tabs open,
| using marvelous suspender and few other tweaks, but still
| have 95 windows opens (1 tab typically alive in each window
| minimum excluding my suspension blacklist...). Also have
| photoshop, notion, and a few other apps going and am running
| smoothly at 40-70% cpu utilization and 85% memory...
| geerlingguy wrote:
| I think the "if you're not using a tab background
| suspender" part was important there.
|
| Not sure if Chrome is still this way, but it would allow
| background tabs to still run things like JS even after
| hours of not being focused.
| __float wrote:
| Seconded. I have 30+ tabs open (though in Firefox), alongside
| VS Code, Obsidian (a notes app, but with web views), Spotify
| (web views), and I don't frequently run into serious
| performance issues.
|
| I do try to avoid Rosetta quite a bit though (right now I
| have no Intel processes in Activity Monitor).
|
| Also check Messages.app hasn't run away with the CPU.
| Sometimes it seems to do that :(
| miguelrochefort wrote:
| Same here (although it's more like 200 open tabs across 10
| virtual desktops). It still feels slower than my cheap Atom
| netbook, but the battery life and hardware quality more than
| makes up for it.
|
| This might be an opportunity to tweak my browsing habits.
| kccoder wrote:
| The 8GB M1 I bought was constantly fighting the limited RAM, so
| I exchanged it for a 16GB model, which has been perfect. For
| those looking, the MicroCenter near me has 16GB MacBook Air
| models available at a discount, other MicroCenter locations
| might have the same.
| bangonkeyboard wrote:
| Fan noise and hard drive clicks were very useful indicators of
| processes doing things they shouldn't.
| sachamps wrote:
| I'll wait for the Pro... But honestly - the last Airs and Pros
| are a joke especially while using a second Monitor. The Pro has a
| known bug and can get pretty slow. The Air - unresponsive as hell
| if a second monitor is used and u are in a virtual conference
| with screencast and cam on. We must always look at the price
| value tag and at that point Apple really disappointed recently.
| Don't get me wrong... I am a Dev and i appreciate the same things
| as you do. But I am not hyped by the M1... I just think at that
| price point apple should get things sorted out finally and if the
| M1 works out... Well, than thanks Apple and thanks for let me
| buying all this expensive crap upfront ;)
| seumars wrote:
| I've been using the Mini for 7 months without a single hiccup -
| daily routine requires several Adobe apps running
| simultaneously and a couple of dev node servers plus browsers,
| mail and the like, on a 4k/5k double monitor setup.
| ashdev wrote:
| Nice idea. You can also have a CPU usage monitor in your app bar.
| traspler wrote:
| This means I can finally upgrade, thanks! Not having the fans to
| scream against during my Teams calls was a real dealbreaker for
| me ;)
| dpedu wrote:
| I don't want to download it, is there a clip of the sound
| anywhere?
| latexr wrote:
| > I don't want to download it
|
| In case what you mean is that you don't want to _run_ it, an
| alternative: right-click the app, followed by "Show Package
| Contents", and navigate to Contents /Resources. You'll find a
| couple of WAV files.
|
| Don't expected pleasant _woosh_ noises, they sound like rough
| recordings of computer fans.
| rbanffy wrote:
| Not quite as useful as this, but
| https://github.com/rbanffy/selectric-mode also makes your
| computer sound more serious.
| casey wrote:
| This is awesome! I built a similar open source version a few
| years ago for a friend with a fanless Air, but it foolishly used
| system notifications and a menu bar icon instead of sound:
|
| https://github.com/caseymrm/notafan
| varispeed wrote:
| In 10 years' time we gonna get an app that simulates the battery
| going off.
| jedberg wrote:
| This is funny. For the last ten years I've used Mac laptops as my
| primary machine. Of course the fan noise was a great auditory
| clue to tell me to check out Activity Monitor/top for rogue
| processes and help me optimize which tasks took too many
| resources.
|
| I didn't realize how much I relied on that cue until I
| temporarily switched to a Mac desktop machine during the pandemic
| when I didn't need to travel. The desktop fans pretty much stay
| at 1200rpm all the time. I think I've seen them spike once. I'd
| forgotten how much better desktops can be for some things.
|
| Now I'm looking for a better remote access solution so I can
| consider sticking with a desktop at home and then maybe just an
| iPad for travel with good remote access and file sync.
| alisonkisk wrote:
| is it better to have rogue processes silently wasting energy
| and creating heat?
| lukevp wrote:
| I think this is a case where the meaning of the parent can be
| taken multiple ways, and one of the HN rules is to take the
| more generous case. My interpretation is that they are saying
| they see the purpose of needing some type of cue when CPU
| usage is high, but didn't realize that they were using the
| fan speed as a proxy for CPU utilization until this was
| posted, at which time, they put 2 and 2 together. That's not
| saying that the product is bad or not, just an anecdote.
| DenseComet wrote:
| I'm also trying to figure out a solution for remote access/file
| sync. I've been using resilio sync to sync my files between my
| laptop and desktop. It works great, but it destroys battery
| life on my laptop, so I've been looking for solutions.
|
| Syncthing is next on my to try list, but its very similar to
| resilio sync so I don't have high hopes. iCloud
| drive/dropbox/etc have issues with syncing git repos, so not
| sure about that either.
| MeinBlutIstBlau wrote:
| Syncthing is great, however the biggest issue Ive found with
| thr Mac version is you explicitly need to end the task in the
| upper taskbar or it will just drain your battery. Also, if
| you sync a Mac with anything besides, be prepared to see a
| .nomedia file in EVERY.SINGLE.DIRECTORY. (i cant recall what
| exactly it is). It's very annoying to say to least.
|
| That being said, Syncthing works great for a wholly cross
| platform sync tool. I have used it with a PC, Macbook,
| Android setup. Never have I not been able to get it to work.
| read_if_gay_ wrote:
| MEGA has been working pretty nicely for me also with Git. I
| use it on a macOS desktop and a Linux laptop. Only thing is
| the mobile app isn't the most polished compared to Apple's
| Files for example, but I don't need it often.
| zitterbewegung wrote:
| I remember using hard disk drive sounds for disk usage and or
| capacitor noises to debug issues. But, I really like the
| MacBook Air M1 because its so quiet and it helps me concentrate
| much better and if you are talking to others or recording a
| talk it is silent. The other thing is that it has no moving
| parts so it should be very durable.
| philistine wrote:
| I use one too and there are still some moving parts. The
| keyboard keys, the speakers, the display hinge and the Taptic
| Engine. Those are the parts I'm looking at intently as the
| ones that will fail on me, especially the hinge.
| zitterbewegung wrote:
| The most likely thing to break on a computer is the fan
| itself. Apple has revised the display hinge and the keys
| have been redesigned. I don't know of any reports of the
| Speakers breaking or a Taptic Engine (other than people
| using Bootcamp on Intel MacBook Pros but that isn't an
| option anymore) but since there is no long term data on all
| of those components the only thing that I would question
| would be the redesigned hinge and the keyboard.
| tomxor wrote:
| Annecdata: I've never had a desktop or laptop fan fail on
| me, and I'm the kind of person who keeps them for a
| decade.
|
| Spinning HDDs (Toshiba bearings), keyboards and hinges on
| the other hand have all failed on me multiple times, in
| macs. but the fans kept going. The keyboards were the
| last thing to fail in the 2009 design, they last about 10
| years.
|
| Also while were at it, mechanical failure isn't always
| the biggest concern these days, Apple has had nVidia GPU
| issues (soldier and fab issues) in the past where they
| ended up underclocking them in a firmware patch in order
| to push failures out of warrantee.
| hesk wrote:
| Just say no.
| techrat wrote:
| But... why?
| wlesieutre wrote:
| It was an April fools joke app, but actually works because
| that's much funnier
|
| https://9to5mac.com/2021/04/01/april-fools-day-2021-cybermou...
| Klonoar wrote:
| Pretty sure this is a response to a joke on Twitter in the
| Apple dev community.
| guipsp wrote:
| It's part of my workflow
| spideymans wrote:
| https://xkcd.com/1172/
| w_for_wumbo wrote:
| Came to the comments to ensure this had been posted!
| abdusco wrote:
| I keep having some rogue apps that are burning CPU for
| (seemingly) no reason. When I feel some warmness, I check
| `htop` and there it is, IINA (a media player) is pegging the
| CPU again.
| root_axis wrote:
| It's a joke that's meant to ironically allude to the fact that
| M1 computers don't generate fan noise.
| [deleted]
| ushakov wrote:
| hype
| CapriciousCptl wrote:
| This is useful! Every so often Docker acts up or a Youtube video
| hidden in a tab somewhere or some silly mistake opens tons of
| Postgres connections on my M1. Previously the only cue was
| hitting the critically low power (10%?) at 6 hours instead of 12.
| Now there's this app. Thank you!
| subroutine wrote:
| One of my fav macOS apps is iStat. It lets you keep track of all
| types of stuff from the menu bar...
|
| https://bjango.com/mac/istatmenus/
| TacticalCoder wrote:
| The M1 line up seems great but... I'm very surprised by all the
| comments from people discovering what a quiet computer is like in
| 2021.
|
| I've been running PCs so quiet they're inaudible since, what,
| nearly two decades now!? (since basically the first consumer SSDs
| started hitting the market: don't remember when that was but it
| was a long time ago)
|
| An ultra quiet PSU, a gigantic CPU heatsink, a huge CPU fan
| running so slow you can read what's written on the blades, a
| passively cooled GPU (ofc not working if you do GPU heavy stuff)
| and that's it.
|
| Now it's great if, at last, it's coming to beefy laptops too. But
| a quiet computer ain't anything new.
| atonse wrote:
| So you're comparing what sounds like a hand rolled custom build
| with a no brainer laptop that's a third of an inch though.
| breakfastduck wrote:
| Quiet computers, not new, quiet high performance laptops
| however...
| Hokusai wrote:
| Computers like the "HUAWEI MateBook X" are fanless with a
| powerful CPU (10th Gen Intel(r) Core(tm) i5-10210U Processor,
| 1.6 GHz 4 cores, Turbo up to 4.2 GHz).
| https://consumer.huawei.com/en/laptops/matebook-x-2020/specs...
|
| I have used also a Surface Pro for a long time, and not being
| modern as this new Apple laptop, it is a full-fledged Windows
| 10 machine that can run any programming IDE, virtual machines,
| etc. and completely silent.
|
| Can someone explain why the down-votes for TacticalCoder for
| just stating facts? I really don't get, unless it is pure Apple
| fandom and that would be just silly.
| MiguelHudnandez wrote:
| That's pretty hilarious. Until recently I didn't think of the CPU
| fan as an auditory cue for how hard your system is working. But
| now I can remember times that excessive fan noise has prompted me
| to investigate the cause of excessive usage.
| Animats wrote:
| Oh, yes. This has been an ongoing problem with "sleep mode",
| which users think means "off", but isn't really. Some Windows
| docs for hardware makers indicated that "sleep mode" should
| stop the fans, to maintain the illusion that the machine is
| "off". Some machines do that, and some stick to temperature-
| based fan control, so the fans continue to turn if the machine
| is warm. Some users then complain that sleep mode doesn't work
| because the fans are still turning.
| criddell wrote:
| I bought a Lenovo P1 Gen 3 a couple of months ago and the
| fans spin while the machine is sleeping.
|
| I'd love to know if it's crappy thermal design from Lenovo,
| crappy CPUs from Intel, or Windows sleep mode being too
| demanding. Maybe it's all three?
| lucb1e wrote:
| Wait, why would the device get warm during suspend? Or do you
| mean a different kind of sleep mode? I'm thinking of the
| state where it just refreshes DRAM to keep its contents (this
| does not produce much heat at all) and everything else is
| off: that definitely does not require the cpu fan to run
| because the cpu is not processing any instructions during
| that state.
| detaro wrote:
| I assume not get warm, still is warm from running
| beforehand.
| lucb1e wrote:
| Hmm if that were necessary, then all power states should
| keep the fan on for a while after running, so a device
| that was shut down would also keep the fans on and there
| would be no need to put in a requirements document that
| the fans must turn off to give the illusion of having
| shut down? To my understanding though, if no new heat is
| created (usually mainly by processors like CPU or GPU),
| keeping the fans on is not necessary in regular laptops
| or desktops.
| hinkley wrote:
| And this is how I ended up buying a second Nintendo Wii. They
| turned off the fans and fried themselves.
| megous wrote:
| That would be useful for me today. Systemd again gone into some
| of those inifinite loops consuming 100% CPU in one of its
| daemons that try to replace what already worked before
| (systemd-resolved) today, while I was sitting in the train
| without AC.
|
| I only realized something was wrong when the pinebook got way
| too hot.
| canjobear wrote:
| Hearing the disk going used to be an auditory cue too, which is
| now gone thanks to solid state drives.
| reader_mode wrote:
| Yes, I miss that calming crackle telling me that my PC didn't
| lock up and it's just chugging along. And the floppy boot
| sound. Objectively worse but still nostalgic.
| ianlevesque wrote:
| Occasionally with catastrophic results
| https://www.extremetech.com/computing/239268-spotify-may-
| kil...
|
| That said, I don't miss the noise or slowness.
| dbtc wrote:
| I had a habit of touching the strip of metal above the keys on
| my old macbook air, since that heats up before the fan becomes
| audible.
|
| The sensible approach, of course, is to add a load monitor to
| the menu bar; now with my new m1 macbook, I can simply make the
| appropriate noises myself, as necessary. This is the UNIX way.
| MiguelHudnandez wrote:
| "MenuBar Stats" has a versatile collection of widgets to add
| to the menu bar. I'd prefer something open source though, if
| anyone has recommendations, please share.
|
| Once you're running a tool like that, it is interesting to
| see the efficiency cores often saturated and the performance
| cores usually sleeping.
| uniqueid wrote:
| Does it have an option permanently to scramble the video a month
| after the warranty runs out?
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