[HN Gopher] Cannabis first domesticated 12,000 years ago
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Cannabis first domesticated 12,000 years ago
Author : dnetesn
Score : 124 points
Date : 2021-07-18 10:46 UTC (12 hours ago)
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| deregulateMed wrote:
| Since this is the first cannabis topic I've seen on HN, I have
| lots of questions/ideas/problems I want to share. I'm going to
| post them in no particular order. Maybe someone has a solution
|
| >I like weed as a productive drug, it's stronger than caffeine
| for me, but I develop tolerance and addiction quickly. Any
| solution to the tolerance problem? Quitting/breaks is obvious.
|
| >Is investing in weed stocks encouraging drug addiction/use? Is
| it ethical to promote drug use?
|
| >Is there a way to microdose? I'd like to be able to have tiny,
| controlled amounts every time.
|
| >Is there a solution to munchies?
|
| >Has anyone been able to convince a fortune 500 company that they
| need(medical) marijuana for work? As mentioned I'm significantly
| more focused, but I don't like the social stigma. I already have
| the job, it's purely a cultural/social problem.
|
| > Are my memory problems due to weed or is this just age? (When
| not using) I feel like I've lost lots of childhood memories and I
| have more difficulty than ever with names.
|
| >If my focus is better on weed, is there something else I can do
| for focus that isn't drug related?
| mallomarmeasle wrote:
| Medicinal Chemist (and former cannabis consumer) here.
|
| >I like weed as a productive drug, it's stronger than caffeine
| for me, but I develop tolerance...
|
| Interestingly, I used to notice that once I became tolerant to
| one strain, over a couple weeks, switching to another strain
| could at least partially alleviate it.
|
| This to me is fascinating. Psychoactive effects of cannabinoids
| are thought to be mediated by the CB1 receptor. Cannabis
| strains can vary strongly in their perceived effects. Are there
| subtypes of the CB1 receptor differentially activated by the
| various cannabinoids present at different levels in the
| strains? For instance CB1a and CB1b? I do not think this is
| known.
|
| >If my focus is better on weed, is there something else I can
| do for focus that isn't drug related?
|
| This sounds like a line from John Stewart in some stoner movie
| irthomasthomas wrote:
| "In 1998, Professors Raphael Mechoulam and Shimon Ben-Shabat
| posited that the endocannabinoid system demonstrated an
| "entourage effect" in which a variety of "inactive"
| metabolites and closely related molecules markedly increased
| the activity of the primary endogenous cannabinoids,
| anandamide and 2-arachidonoylglycerol"
|
| https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6334252/#:~:tex.
| ..
| snarfy wrote:
| Here is my anecdata after being a regular user for 30+ years.
|
| >I like weed as a productive drug, it's stronger than caffeine
| for me, but I develop tolerance and addiction quickly. Any
| solution to the tolerance problem? Quitting/breaks is obvious.
|
| You have to limit your intake. It's really easy to over do it
| with pipes and bongs. You'll end up getting 10x as much as you
| need and blow your tolerance.
|
| >Is investing in weed stocks encouraging drug addiction/use? Is
| it ethical to promote drug use?
|
| No less ethical than investing in entertainment.
|
| >Is there a way to microdose? I'd like to be able to have tiny,
| controlled amounts every time.
|
| The best way is to use a vape pen and oil. Set a low wattage
| and then count x seconds while hitting it.
|
| >Is there a solution to munchies?
|
| Smoke less. It's a symptom of smoking too much. You feel more
| sober after eating. The hunger is your brain trying to get
| sober.
|
| >Has anyone been able to convince a fortune 500 company that
| they need(medical) marijuana for work? As mentioned I'm
| significantly more focused, but I don't like the social stigma.
| I already have the job, it's purely a cultural/social problem.
|
| Not fortune 500 but I've known multiple cancer patients where
| it was not as stigmatized.
|
| > Are my memory problems due to weed or is this just age? (When
| not using) I feel like I've lost lots of childhood memories and
| I have more difficulty than ever with names.
|
| Weed messes with your memory pretty significantly. If you were
| high when the memories formed you will struggle to remember
| them when not high. I learned how to play guitar while high and
| can't really play if I'm not. I'd need to spend a lot of time
| relearning how to play sober.
|
| >If my focus is better on weed, is there something else I can
| do for focus that isn't drug related?
|
| Competitive gaming. Join a clan.
| atatatat wrote:
| OP needs a loose leaf vaporizer, like the Pax.
| hattmall wrote:
| Have you been diagnosed with ADHD?
|
| As to the productivity are you certain that you are more
| productive and not just feeling more productive? That's a
| pretty common thing with weed, it causes the brain to release
| dopamine which it normally does in response to you being
| productive.
| oblak wrote:
| ADHD wasn't a thing when I was a child. Does weed help with
| that? I've heard a lot of treating this condition with what
| is essentially legal amphetamines which sounds horrible to
| me.
|
| It's a shame, though not surprising in the least, that the
| good, cheap stuff is illegal in most of the world.
| schwartzworld wrote:
| It can help with ADHD.
|
| As far as the amphetamines, dosage, ROU and brain chemistry
| are everything. A 10mg Adderall is not the same thing as
| smoking 100mg of meth.
| [deleted]
| balfirevic wrote:
| > with what is essentially legal amphetamines which sounds
| horrible to me
|
| It's not.
| simlevesque wrote:
| What is it not ? Legal amphetamine or horrible ?
| balfirevic wrote:
| Sorry, I realize now I wasn't clear. It's not horrible.
| erdos4d wrote:
| I know this sounds bad, but the addiction aspect can be
| mitigated by living life and being in positions where you need
| to quit smoking numerous times for whatever reasons. You learn
| how to master the desire. With that said, I also agree with you
| that it is a wonderful productivity drug. I can reliably get 2X
| done in a day if I add a small amount of cannabis.
| adreamingsoul wrote:
| Talk to a doctor.
|
| Cannabis is complicated and we don't yet have much research
| with humans due to Federal policy in the US.
| bobiny wrote:
| >Is there a way to microdose? I'd like to be able to have tiny,
| controlled amounts every time. -vaporizing and less potent weed
|
| >Is there a solution to munchies? -from my experience they go
| away at some point. You still have the from time to time but
| much less often.
|
| >If my focus is better on weed, is there something else I can
| do for focus that isn't drug related? -meditation
| hrh wrote:
| >I like weed as a productive drug, it's stronger than caffeine
| for me, but I develop tolerance and addiction quickly. Any
| solution to the tolerance problem? Quitting/breaks is obvious.
|
| This is not something I've solved but are you consuming large
| amounts? I can stay high for months on end, using every hour
| and while it's not going to hit me like the first hit, I say
| up. I'd like to be more regular in consumption (every 4 hours),
| but your guess is as good as mine
|
| >Is investing in weed stocks encouraging drug addiction/use? Is
| it ethical to promote drug use?
|
| Is investing in any US-based company encouraging war? Is
| investing in any company that uses Chinese production promoting
| slavery? Caffeine is a drug. We take lots of drugs. We are in
| the infancy of understanding many of them because we're young
| and because we've been prudes.
|
| I'd rather see companies and people I'd trust pushing and
| producing drug products of any kind rather than abusers. You
| can see this happening in the hemp adjacent markets - lots and
| lots of shady fly by night companies have popped up but slowly
| the good ones are rising to the top. 3chi, for example is a
| popular and I think solid d8 company.
|
| But as I told my dad, every single person that was selling pot
| on the street is trying to get into the drug business and has
| been for more than a decade...good luck picking winners.
|
| >Has anyone been able to convince a fortune 500 company that
| they need(medical) marijuana for work? As mentioned I'm
| significantly more focused, but I don't like the social stigma.
| I already have the job, it's purely a cultural/social problem.
|
| > Are my memory problems due to weed or is this just age? (When
| not using) I feel like I've lost lots of childhood memories and
| I have more difficulty than ever with names.
|
| This is my main concern (and lung damange). I do notice lapses
| in short-term memory (though I am high when this happens, I
| haven't noticed a huge drop). The literature sugests it's
| relatively small over decades IIRC. Willie Nelson and Snoop
| (sample of 2) are doing ok.
|
| >If my focus is better on weed, is there something else I can
| do for focus that isn't drug related?
|
| Get off HN. ;)
| buu700 wrote:
| _Caffeine is a drug. We take lots of drugs. We are in the
| infancy of understanding many of them because we 're young
| and because we've been prudes._
|
| Personally, I don't think it's going to be all that long
| before society's mental model of cannabis is fully turned on
| it's head from where it was 20 years ago. The dose makes the
| poison (or drug), after all.
|
| Fundamentally, I see cannabinoids as less like alcohol, and
| more like a potential new category of vitamin. As we continue
| to learn more about the endocannabinoid system and build up
| increasing experimental evidence tying common maladies to
| endocannabinoid deficiencies, I see cannabinoid supplements
| eventually becoming as commonplace as e.g. B-complex and
| incorporated into mainstream multivitamins.
|
| Going back to GP's questions:
|
| _Is there a way to microdose? I 'd like to be able to have
| tiny, controlled amounts every time._
|
| Tinctures/oils. Sublingual absorption is the next best thing
| to pulmonary absorption in terms of efficiency, but it won't
| cause long-term damage as inhaling hot ashes and gases might,
| and it'll allow you to measure the dose down to the mg.
|
| _Is there a solution to munchies?_
|
| Speaking for myself, I've been microdosing 200mg of Sunsoil
| full-spectrum CBD oil and 50mg of 3Chi delta-8-THC oil first
| thing in the morning and before bed since around the end of
| April.
|
| This helps with both my sleep quality/consistency and
| preventing semi-regular headaches that had been causing an
| unhealthy reliance on NSAIDs. It doesn't cause a high or any
| noticeable psychoactive effect.
|
| However, rather than "munchies", it's actually significantly
| reduced my appetite. Without any other deliberate change to
| my routine, such as calorie counting/restriction, I've
| dropped from 210 to 186 over the past 2.5 months with no
| perceptible loss in muscle strength or mass, and so far see
| no signs of the trend stopping before I reach my goal BF%. (I
| use the term "deliberate" because, although I am currently
| only eating one meal per day around lunch - dinner time, it
| isn't an intentional IF/OMAD schedule; it's just the current
| limit of my appetite.)
|
| That being said, I can't definitively attribute this effect
| to a particular compound. It could be the delta8, it could be
| the CBD, it could be a different cannabinoid, it could be the
| interactions between some or all of them, it could be the 200
| calories of MCT oil that I'm now ingesting each day (on top
| of what I was already taking separately pre-workout), and/or
| it could be the interactions of any or all of the above with
| the fact that I've been keto for over nine years. YMMV.
| [deleted]
| EvRev wrote:
| >Is there a solution to munchies?
|
| Lookup THCV, it is an analog that decreases your appetite along
| with a host of other benefits. Like you can consume any type of
| cannabis and then take a little THCV to counteract the
| munchies.
| neom wrote:
| Hadn't heard of it but seems interesting, thanks for posting.
| Here's a good in-depth article about it from a couple of days
| ago if anyone is interested:
| https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/everything-you-
| need...
| bitxbitxbitcoin wrote:
| Second anecdata point for THCV for appetite suppressing, and
| the host of other benefits including memory improving.
| xerox13ster wrote:
| Also Linalool terpene dominant strains
| mountainriver wrote:
| Yeah I don't think we've tapped thcv yet, often called the
| sports car of cannabis
| vincentmarle wrote:
| > Is there a way to microdose? I'd like to be able to have
| tiny, controlled amounts every time.
|
| I'm not sure if this is still considered microdose, but 5mg
| sativa edibles hit the sweet spot for me in terms of being
| productive for several hours and not being too high. YMMV
| arcturus17 wrote:
| I've also found edibles to be the best way to control dosing.
| Though in my case I've never found cannabis to be a
| productive drug - I mini-dosed for leisure only and to great
| effect.
| yesenadam wrote:
| You must've missed this AskHN from yesterday
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27856934
|
| I think you might find answers to half your questions there.
| And please ask your own AskHN with your questions, it's better
| than asking a lot of questions in a comment like this--AskHNs
| disappear off the radar a lot slower than news stories like
| this, and you probably will get a lot more answers.
| neom wrote:
| Smoked weed every day for 10 years.
|
| >I like weed as a productive drug, it's stronger than caffeine
| for me, but I develop tolerance and addiction quickly. Any
| solution to the tolerance problem? Quitting/breaks is obvious.
|
| Switch strains frequently, try to find stuff far from the
| other.
|
| >Is investing in weed stocks encouraging drug addiction/use? Is
| it ethical to promote drug use?
|
| No, but also investing in weed stocks are probably not the best
| stocks you could invest in - that said: Invest in what you
| know!
|
| >Is there a way to microdose? I'd like to be able to have tiny,
| controlled amounts every time.
|
| Yes, but you'll have to take a huge long break to get your
| tolerance back down. Then make tea:
| https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/how-to-make-cannabis-te...
|
| >Is there a solution to munchies?
|
| Switch strains - tends to be more common in Indicas with a
| higher than normal CBD (or if you're into more "creative"
| solutions, low dose adderall with it, seems to balance out well
| in strains that cause munchies.)
|
| >Has anyone been able to convince a fortune 500 company that
| they need(medical) marijuana for work? As mentioned I'm
| significantly more focused, but I don't like the social stigma.
| I already have the job, it's purely a cultural/social problem.
|
| If you have a Drs note, there isn't much they can do.
|
| > Are my memory problems due to weed or is this just age? (When
| not using) I feel like I've lost lots of childhood memories and
| I have more difficulty than ever with names.
|
| I've read reports of this, I've anecdotally heard people say
| that - It's never been a problem for me (but aging certainly
| has)
|
| >If my focus is better on weed, is there something else I can
| do for focus that isn't drug related?
|
| Diaphragmatic breathing for 5 minutes when you find your mind
| wandering.
| [deleted]
| caymanjim wrote:
| Overall I agree with your comments.
|
| > Switch strains - tends to be more common in Indicas with a
| higher than normal CBD
|
| There is no scientific evidence backing up any claims about
| the effects of indica vs sativa, and no way to know which
| strain you're actually getting, even from dispensaries. They
| tend to be labeled according to the subjective experience of
| the person deciding how to label them. It's as meaningless as
| any other marketing label.
|
| > If you have a Drs note, there isn't much they can do.
|
| There's no federal protection, and state protections vary.
| Some states explicitly prohibit firing employees for off-duty
| medical marijuana use, but not all states with medical
| marijuana regulations have formal employee use regulations,
| and I don't think any have protections for recreational use.
| Additionally, even where medical use protections exist, they
| don't cover you being intoxicated on the job. There will be
| court cases that clarify all of this; meanwhile there's no
| definitive answer.
| grawprog wrote:
| >There is no scientific evidence backing up any claims
| about the effects of indica vs sativa, and no way to know
| which strain you're actually getting, even from
| dispensaries.
|
| Even if it's the same strain cloned from the previous crop
| it can be different in THC/CBD content depending on growing
| conditions and a number of things. Even the harvest date,
| the drying and the curing process will affect the final
| product.
| caymanjim wrote:
| I agree that there are different chemical constituents in
| different strains, that seem to--at least anecdotally--
| cause different subjective effects. I specifically take
| exception to the indica-vs-sativa claims, which appear to
| be complete nonsense, and aren't backed up by any
| science.
| grawprog wrote:
| I was agreeing with you. I was just pointing out further,
| even exactly the same plant can have different chemical
| constituents based on a variety of things without even
| taking variations between different strains into account.
| pmoriarty wrote:
| _" There is no scientific evidence backing up any claims
| about the effects of indica vs sativa"_
|
| Though the research on this is also in its infancy, there
| has been speculation that the terpenes in cannabis play
| very important roles its effects.
|
| I'm looking forward to the day when we can choose cannabis
| based on the various terpenes it contains, and not just on
| simplistic THC/CBD levels or indica/sativa distinctions.
| pmoriarty wrote:
| _" If you have a Drs note, there isn't much they can do."_
|
| Many jobs require passing drug tests as a condition of
| employment.
|
| It would be interesting to hear if anyone has challenged such
| tests by arguing their cannabis use was a medical necessity.
| washadjeffmad wrote:
| Drug tests are not specific to metabolites only from
| scheduled sources. Because unscheduled cannabidiols trigger
| drug tests the same way as scheduled ones, they are
| ineffective at identifying illegal use.
|
| And yes, this gets challenged frequently since there's a
| legal concentration of [?]9 for products sold in the US
| naturally derived from hemp.
|
| Generally, if you weren't caught in possession of something
| scheduled, not admitting to use when presented with a
| "positive" drug test is enough to have it dismissed.
| GravitasFailure wrote:
| I worked with two different people that tried that. First
| guy crashed a forklift and was told he couldn't operate
| heavy machinery while taking any kind of depressant
| medication, and the second one was an armed security guard
| who tried explaining that his paranoid behavior was from
| switching cannabis strains. Under federal law it's a felony
| to own or possess a firearm while a user of cannabis, and
| the court cases so far have not been friendly to medical
| users.
| chizhik-pyzhik wrote:
| Link to the paper directly-
| https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/29/eabg2286
| tiahura wrote:
| So 4000 years before rice? I'm not subject matter expert, but
| this doesn't seem quite right.
| mandmandam wrote:
| Why ever not?
|
| Off the top of my head, weed is miles easier to cultivate,
| provides far more medicinal benefit, has more complete
| nutrition, and gives obvious and immediate relief from pain.
| klyrs wrote:
| First off, the press has a bad habit of treating archaeological
| finds as somehow definitive. I read "first domesticated 12,000
| years ago" as "earliest evidence found thus far dated to 12,000
| years ago." Rice (and cannabis) could have been domesticated
| long before that, but without fossil records, we can't claim to
| know that.
|
| But... why would you assume any relationship between these two
| plants being domesticated?
| boomskats wrote:
| Not a constructive comment, but it was amusing to see this post
| with 4 points posted 20 minutes ago.
| jliptzin wrote:
| What's amusing about that?
| kylebyproxy wrote:
| It's a 4:20 reeference
| deregulateMed wrote:
| Search 420 weed to learn more
| [deleted]
| guest456789123 wrote:
| Where I come from, we used to grow cannabis plants and use their
| seeds to feed birds kept in cages, in captivity. Birds liked the
| seeds and were singing a lot when feed on them. My garden and
| that of many others was fully of over one meter high cannabis
| plants. We had no other use for it. I learned it was a drug only
| when capitalist world reached us. Now, it is illegal to grow it.
|
| Related: My grandma, now 93, used to say that tea made out of
| poppy seeds was good for babies that cried a lot. When given that
| tea, babies slept quite well. No adult I know, ever made use of
| that. I am not sure about that now.
|
| Seeing 12000 years ago cannabis plants via current lens could
| lead to incorrect interpretation.
| agumonkey wrote:
| capitalist world wasn't always hard against hemp and cannabis I
| believe
|
| usual politics
| PsrNetMan1 wrote:
| I'm not against Cannabis, I think it has some very important
| applications; but, what does Cannabis have to do with hacking?
| wcchandler wrote:
| So glad to see more genomic research around cannabis. I have a
| jar full of seeds from my late grandfather. He said it was from
| the same hemp that the Constitution was written on. Doubt the
| truth behind that but it'd be really cool if one day I could have
| it analyzed and compared for relatively cheap.
| grasbergerm wrote:
| It is a common urban legend that the constitution was written
| on hemp, but not true.
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Constitution_hemp_paper_h...
| wcchandler wrote:
| Right. Which is why I don't fully believe my late
| grandfather. However, it would be nice to know if the strain
| I have has a direct lineage of the hemp grown during the
| Colony days.
| bitxbitxbitcoin wrote:
| The paper mentions that the Colonies first started growing
| European hemp varieties but by the mid 1800s had largely
| switched to (more recently) Chinese origin hemp varieties.
| I hope your grandfather's seeds are original Colony day
| seeds and you get to find out some day for a low cost but
| based on this paper, chances are that it isn't :(.
| LightG wrote:
| I heard the original one was rolled and smoked, so they had
| to start again. Hence the current constitution.
| JohnJamesRambo wrote:
| Ironic that the penalty for cannabis possession goes up to death
| now in the place where it was first domesticated. Death for
| having a plant that makes people feel good and happy. Humans are
| weird.
|
| This study is really neat because as the article says the
| consensus was always Central Asia for the birthplace of cannabis
| and now we learn that it is East Asia.
| loufe wrote:
| I'm all for legalization of marijuana but we can do better than
| the naive and shallow argument of "it's a plant so it's good
| for me". Opium and Salvia? Poison berries and cocaine?
| kadoban wrote:
| The person you're responding too seems to have gone out of
| their way to specify what effects it has, not just that it's
| a plant.
| captain_price7 wrote:
| Death penalty for "possession"? Did you mean trafficking? Here
| [1] it says,
|
| > according to the Law on Public Security Administration
| Punishments, marijuana smokers shall be detained for 10 to 15
| days and fined a maximum of 2,000 yuan.
|
| [1]
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_in_China#Legal_status
| JohnJamesRambo wrote:
| I just meant possessing something in the normal sense not the
| legal sense. I don't think death is a good penalty for
| something as benign as marijuana.
| pmoriarty wrote:
| _" Death for having a plant that makes people feel good and
| happy. Humans are weird."_
|
| It's not just about feeling good (though that can be threat
| enough for some authorities -- dancing bans[1], for example)..
| Cannabis can have psychedelic effects at high doses, and has
| been used for religious and sacramental purposes (there has
| been speculation that cannabis was part of the anointing oil
| used in the bible, and perhaps in some of the biblical incenses
| used for religious purposes).
|
| Secular and religious authorities have historically wanted to
| be in control of what people feel, believe, and think.. so when
| a plant can alter that or is believed to provide a direct route
| to communing with a diety or the spirit world instead of
| relying on the authorities to tell them what to believe or
| think, then it's easily seen as a threat.
|
| In the US cannabis use was also associated with the
| counterculture, with the antiwar movement, and with anti-
| authoritarian sentiment, and with minorities.. all seen as
| threats to the establishment.
|
| [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_ban
| robbedpeter wrote:
| This coincides with the Dryas impact era - there seems to be a
| lot of cultural advances, settlements, and other artifacts that
| pop up around that time. It seems very plausible to me that many
| of the discoveries aren't the first of their kind, but the first
| reimplementation after humans began to rebuild.
|
| The Dryas impact is a fascinating event - if validated, it has
| the potential to shake up a lot of the currently accepted
| historical model of human civilization.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothe...
|
| The impact hypothesis suggests a global hellscape was caused,
| radically and rapidly causing massive flooding- a likely source
| for great flood mythologies found in almost every culture.
| vmception wrote:
| I also generally think the idea of a recently linear
| progression of human collaboration and advancement is misguided
|
| I think fossilization is merely rare and difficult
| [deleted]
| neom wrote:
| Thanks for posting this, never heard of the event. PBS has a
| Youtube channel called "Eons" (seems cool)- I watched their
| video about it and found it super interesting:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95u2sk_lRoQ
| beowulfey wrote:
| I love reading about this. I hope one day we will understand
| what happened back then.
|
| In Hawaiian mythology, there is a creation chant[1] that
| includes names of the purported parents of 800 generations;
| after those 800 generations, there is an interesting interim
| passage describing an event:
|
| Line 1530: "Born was Pola`a/ Born was rough weather, born the
| current/ Born the roaring, advancing, and receding of waves,
| the rumbling sound, the earthquake/ The sea rages, rises over
| the beach/ Rises silently to the inhabited places/ Rises
| gradually up over the land/"
|
| It's notable because the previous 800 lines are nothing but
| names of husband and wife; it must have been a big event to get
| mentioned as such. I'm sure there are other similar stories in
| the oral tradition. I wonder if anyone has ever compared them
| all. I hope one day more geological and archeological evidence
| can connect all these threads.
|
| [1]http://www.ulukau.org/elib/cgi-
| bin/library?e=d-0beckwit2-000...
| fpoling wrote:
| The criticism section of the second article puts strong doubts
| about the impact hypothesis.
|
| Surely there were sudden drop in average temperatures in the
| Northern hemisphere, but we do not know what triggered it.
| dboreham wrote:
| On my todo list for a while has been to dig down to see if I
| can find the "black mat".
| shusaku wrote:
| I don't know much about the Dryas impact theory, but skimming
| the second link it seems to really emphasize the Americas?
| Should it be matched with data from China like in the main
| article?
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