[HN Gopher] HaikuOS running on RISC-V hardware (HiFive Unmatched)
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HaikuOS running on RISC-V hardware (HiFive Unmatched)
Author : iamnotarobotman
Score : 163 points
Date : 2021-07-17 18:57 UTC (4 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (discuss.haiku-os.org)
| edvinbesic wrote:
| Are there any Pi/Nuc style boards one could get to run this on?
| I'm an old BeOS user and would love to have a little device to
| play with for nostalgia.
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| This is awesome but this is a rather strategic move. Hopefully
| RISC-V boards will emerge and this will become practical. Today,
| however, a RaspberryPI port could make more sense.
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| It is strange to me that the RISC-V leapfrogged past the Pi
| port (per https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/port_status
| the ARM, including the Pi, _exists_ but isn 't very useful
| yet); I wonder why it made progress so fast even with poor
| hardware availability.
| [deleted]
| gogopuppygogo wrote:
| Price and availability is my guess. I still have no idea how
| a $35 SoC like the Pi is profitable.
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| This can hardly be an obstacle in porting the OS. The board
| is here, pretty polished, feature-rich, easily affordable
| and available.
|
| Obviously the HaikuOS developers have just found RISC-V
| easier and having more potential. Or somebody just has
| sponsored the effort.
| [deleted]
| johndoe0815 wrote:
| This is an amazingly fast progress, can't wait to try it on my
| Unmatched board... and the port is more or less still the work of
| one or two persons IIRC.
| Htoioinan wrote:
| up
| eric__cartman wrote:
| It's always nice to see the wonderful advancements the HaikuOS
| devs make. As an operating system it's very nice and fun to use.
| It gives me the same vibes as old workstations from the 90s.
| Although it still has a bit longer to go before it could be
| considered as a daily driver for any useful assortment of
| applications.
| andi999 wrote:
| I am very pessimistic. I think it would need a strong usp or
| some killer app. Maybe going into hard real time direction
| might allow it to live in a niche in audio and machine
| operation console. But currently I don't see a path.
| ozfive wrote:
| This was the same argument for BeOS back in the day.
| techrat wrote:
| Realtime audio on hardware that isn't sold by Apple would be
| quite a killer reason to use Haiku. Especially seeing Apple
| is progressively abandoning the Pro, configurable market
| again.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| They released a Mac Pro, as configurable as you could
| desire, less than two years ago and have a replacement
| already in the works. They aren't abandoning the market.
| samatman wrote:
| I agree with that for what it's worth.
|
| People who aren't in the industry don't really realize
| that the Mac Mini is the entry-level into audio
| production for most people (iMac is the same for video).
| It has just enough to get started, and when you're making
| the big bucks the Mac Pro is in fact affordable for what
| you get.
|
| Developers only see MacBooks for so long that they forget
| the rest of the product line exists, yet it's there for a
| reason.
| skavi wrote:
| realtime audio and good color management are two things a
| lot of people use macOS for..
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| If I'm not mistaken it already has a bit of an audience as a
| replacement for old BeOS boxes in radio broadcasting.
| nyanpasu64 wrote:
| I've heard that Haiku's audio APIs are similar to those of
| BeOS, which are harder to use than today's APIs. I hope they
| can be improved though, if Haiku is a better foundation for
| real-time media than standard Linux (or even realtime).
| tialaramex wrote:
| The BeOS Media APIs enshrine a strange way to think about
| multimedia latency, which is _maybe_ useful if your central
| idea is that you need to synchronise audio and video
| through different production pipelines, but doesn 't serve
| real time audio work at all.
|
| I believe Haiku did eventually fix some of the most
| egregious mistakes in their audio handling for example for
| years if you played silence it made everything else
| quieter, which is a classic goof+. But it's a long way from
| ideal for this application. You can of course use
| _anything_ , if your hobby is making music with Haiku,
| knock yourself out, same with a ZX Spectrum or a toy
| xylophone, but yeah, not ideal.
|
| + How do I mix samples for N channels together? Adding them
| together and dividing by N ought to work right? No.
| viraptor wrote:
| Since Pipewire, the Linux view on audio is changing a lot.
| The latencies are not what they used to be. Even if Haiku
| becomes more usable, it's unlikely to achieve a massive
| difference.
| agildehaus wrote:
| Why does everything need commercial success?
|
| It's survived for 20 years despite having none. It will
| continue as long as there are interested developers.
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| There isn't much needed to make an OS usable as a daily driver
| today. Just port Firefox.
| amichail wrote:
| BTW, TeXmacs runs on HaikuOS:
| https://twitter.com/maxgubi/status/1235518013492740096
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