[HN Gopher] Cyberpunk derivatives
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Cyberpunk derivatives
Author : hidden-spyder
Score : 70 points
Date : 2021-07-11 12:24 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| fhars wrote:
| How many of these come with their own genre of heavy metal music?
| Semaphor wrote:
| Steampunk actually exists as subgenre of metal, rock, and folk
| ;)
| bnbond wrote:
| We can hope all of them!
|
| For real though, solarpunk at least has a nicely growing scene
| on Bandcamp. There's a compilation album of various artists
| simply called "Solarpunk".
| Hamuko wrote:
| Missing "brainpunk", which according to SCARLET NEXUS producers
| is a thing.
| agbell wrote:
| > Cyber noir is subgenre that combines elements of noir and
| cyberpunk.
|
| Isn't cyber punk supposed to be film noir set in a high tech
| future? So we just increasing the amount of film noir to get
| Cyber Noir?
| spfzero wrote:
| That one really stood out to me as well. All of the early
| Cyberpunk I remember reading seemed noir as hell. But maybe
| Cyberpunk has become such a big tent that "original" Cyberpunk
| needs a new name.
| stevula wrote:
| Snow Crash is cyberpunk but it would be a stretch to call it
| noir.
| microtherion wrote:
| Yes, I think cyberpunk was always film noir inspired. E.g. I
| seem to recall that William Gibson was influenced by Dashiel
| Hammett.
| hprotagonist wrote:
| i favor the works ostensibly written as parodies that wind up
| accidentally defining the genre.
| [deleted]
| rm_-rf_slash wrote:
| Heh, then it's no accident your username references Snow Crash.
| riffraff wrote:
| I wonder if the hyper taxonomization of genres is something
| specific to our era.
|
| When I was a kid we barely distinguished between horror and
| thriller but nowadays books are written on the subtle differences
| between slipstream and new weird, and the subgenres of fantasy
| and sci-fi are legions.
|
| Maybe it's Wikipedia's fault.
| agarsev wrote:
| I think it is fine to pursue this ever increasingly detailed
| classification of things (not only in art or pop culture, this
| applies to other knowledge too, including science). The problem
| might come if one takes one of these descriptive, post-hoc
| classifications, ignores the fact that they are often diffuse
| and imperfect, and then tries to use it as a predictive model
| to explain and deal with everything, and discard any data that
| doesn't fit. But people like meta, so it might not even be a
| problem :)
| the_rectifier wrote:
| More nuance is the opposite of a problem.
| user-the-name wrote:
| Hyper-specialised labelling is the opposite of nuance.
| tomjen3 wrote:
| My school library had maybe 3 foot shelves dedicated to
| scifi/fantasy.
|
| Today I can buy the most obscure books I want on Amazon.
|
| Maybe that is why we have more taxonomies now.
| tedunangst wrote:
| The anti romantic movement consisting of Hawthorne and Melville
| comes to mind.
| [deleted]
| JimiofEden wrote:
| It might also just be a matter of growing up and suddenly
| realizing that everything seems so much more defined than
| previously thought.
|
| Anecdotally, but I also noticed that from around 2000 to 2010,
| suddenly everything needed to be categorized very specifically.
|
| But what stood out is that people would get very weirdly upset
| if you put something in the wrong box, and all but start a
| fight about it (over forums, of course.) This was especially
| prevalent in the electronic music scene, but happens to this
| day during video game genre discussions.
| Kye wrote:
| The "Is Zelda an RPG?" hell threads come to mind.
| prionassembly wrote:
| Came in expecting these to be like an exotic kind of option.
| MichaelMoser123 wrote:
| Never dared to ask: is Vonneguth a cyberpunk author?
| Jtsummers wrote:
| Vonnegut. No h. Which book? I've read most of his novels and
| most of what's considered cyberpunk (well, nothing recent
| though). I can't think of any of his books that would fit the
| cyberpunk genre. Closest _might_ be _Player Piano_ which hits a
| few of the themes, but isn't really cyberpunk and is more
| dystopian.
| MichaelMoser123 wrote:
| maybe books by Vonnegut don't qualify, but Kilgore Trouts
| stuff does.
| __s wrote:
| Harrison Bergeron involves the opposite of cyber
| augmentations
|
| He definitely writes with enough cynicism towards technology
| to fit the genre
| MichaelMoser123 wrote:
| Slapstick?
| Jtsummers wrote:
| That's actually among the few I haven't gotten to yet so I
| couldn't comment on it.
| Nbox9 wrote:
| So many of these genres are applied to works long after they have
| been completed. For example, The Flintstones are labeled as
| stonepunk, even though it originally aired in the early 60s.
| teddyh wrote:
| The Flintstones was in effect an animated remake of popular
| live-action TV series _The Honeymooners_ , with the stone-age
| setting as just an added quirky facade to get easy jokes out
| of. It was, needless to say, never meant as an actual reference
| to any actual stone-age.
|
| Compare this to, say, _Dinosaurs_ , which (while in many ways
| similar to _The Flintstones_ ) had actual references to
| contemporary events and phenomena.
| platz wrote:
| There are probably only a handful of people in the world using
| the term stonepunk, while steampunk is quite popular. Most of
| the obscure references here do not have broad adoption. In
| order for a genre to have influence it has to have cultural
| resonance
| kijin wrote:
| That happens with every genre. Genres are labels. You can
| attach them to works long after the fact, whether the original
| creator(s) intended or not.
|
| Jules Verne wrote steampunk a century before the term was even
| coined. Cervantes wrote a novel before novels were a thing (at
| least in the West), and thereby defined what a novel should
| look like. _The Epic of Gilgamesh_ predates the Greek tradition
| of epic poetry by at least a millennium, but nobody denies that
| it 's an epic poem.
| danidiaz wrote:
| Don Quixote is windmillpunk! Less facetiously, it's a work
| informed by the technological developments of its time.
| http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/cervantes-
| bulleti...
|
| According to this article
| https://www.depauw.edu/sfs/backissues/2/plank2art.htm
| "windmills were first erected in La Mancha thirty years or
| less before Don Quixote was written" and this gives new
| nuances to Quixote's delusion.
|
| That's not the only encounter with "advanced" technology;
| there's also the episode with the water-powered "fulling-
| hammers" https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/d/don-
| quixote/summary...
|
| Don Quixote also rails against modern military technology
| like firearms.
| jameshart wrote:
| Cyberpunk derivatives? I guess _cyberpunk futures_ are a well
| defined market (some would argue we are living in one right now),
| but are there also _cyberpunk options_ and _cyberpunk swaps_?
| thebooktocome wrote:
| You jest, but one of the main features of cyberpunk is a sense
| of hauntology, the economy of _futures that never were_ :
|
| "Is hauntology, then, some attempt to revive the supernatural,
| or is it just a figure of speech? The way out of this unhelpful
| opposition is to think of _hauntology as the agency of the
| virtual_ , with the spectre understood not as anything
| supernatural, but as that which acts without (physically)
| existing."
|
| -- Mark Fisher, Ghosts of My Life, emph. added.
| q-big wrote:
| See also "Punk Punk" on TV Tropes:
|
| > https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PunkPunk
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