[HN Gopher] Private Security Force That Works with Citizen Wants...
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Private Security Force That Works with Citizen Wants the Power to
Arrest People
Author : neom
Score : 26 points
Date : 2021-07-10 17:53 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| zepto wrote:
| Seems like the natural corollary to defund the police. People who
| can afford to do so will hire private services.
| mc32 wrote:
| This already happens in parts of the world where the police are
| ineffective in combating rampant crime.
| DeliriumTrigger wrote:
| Look at that as retarded right wing and racist as the last of
| your comments.
| rayiner wrote:
| I know you're just trolling, but for the benefit of the
| reader: https://www.businessinsider.com/eric-adams-defund-
| the-police...
|
| > In an interview with New York Magazine published Tuesday,
| Adams said the "defund the police" movement is led not by
| people of color in the Big Apple, but rather by young white
| professionals.
|
| Adams is absolutely correct. He ran on a common-sense
| approach to policing, and won every non-white constituency in
| NYC. Maya Wiley supported defunding and her base was affluent
| white professionals: https://nypost.com/2021/07/04/nyc-mayor-
| race-shows-its-well-...
|
| > But despite her leftish credentials, Wiley won only 22
| percent of first-choice votes. She carried no assembly
| districts in Manhattan or The Bronx and none with large black
| percentages.
|
| Calling criticism of defunding the police "racist" is an
| classic example of how left-wing white people (and non-whites
| platformed mainly by white people, whether in the media or
| academic) invoke the moral authority of purporting to speak
| people of color to push their own agendas.
| DeliriumTrigger wrote:
| Nice to dig even deeper.
| rayiner wrote:
| Sorry, what's racist--or at least unseemly in the same
| way as stolen valor--is white progressives trading on the
| political capital of POC to further their own ends.
|
| I was never opposed to "identity politics" until I
| realized that, because white liberals control most media
| outlets as well as institutions, it's trivial to invoke
| people's identities for political ends without actually
| having their support. CNN will have some professor of XYZ
| studies on TV, but who selected that professor to be on
| TV? Or granted her tenure?
| p49k wrote:
| That's disingenuous, given that the movement is about allowing
| police to _only_ focus on security rather than trying to solve
| every societal ill.
|
| https://mobile.twitter.com/nskorpen/status/12841449250392637...
| zepto wrote:
| It isn't even remotely disingenuous to say that 'defund the
| police' is literally about abolition.
|
| It is widely reported on:
|
| https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-
| abol...
|
| https://www.vice.com/en/article/ep4xy7/what-does-defund-
| and-...
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| https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/democrats-mean-it-when-
| the...
| brundolf wrote:
| I think the movement is not homogenous. "Defunding" can be
| partial.
| zepto wrote:
| Indeed - which is why claiming that the movement is only
| saying only one thing is misleading.
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| Who gets to gatekeep what the movement is actually about?
| I've seen quite a few at protests with signs saying "abolish
| the police". Seems like those people don't want police to
| focus on security.
|
| AFAIK there hasn't been any polls to see preferences for the
| desired level of defunding w/in the movement. I wouldn't be
| surprised if 100% defunding was a plurality (but not a
| majority)
| harimau777 wrote:
| The way that I would approach it is to try to take the
| strongest version of a given argument; particularly if that
| is the argument that the leaders/spokesmen in a movement
| are making.
| mc32 wrote:
| Unfortunately that's not what the vocal proponents of defund
| the police mean. When asked they say yes it literally means
| defund and reduce the police force.
|
| It's like saying, here, we'll keep the price of a box of
| cereal the same (but reduce the mass on the sly).
| MeinBlutIstBlau wrote:
| It sounds like South Africa. As garbage as US police can be
| sometimes, it's miles better than hoping you're within your
| private security force zone being afraid to leave it.
| fogihujy wrote:
| Jennifer Government was satire and not a manual.
| MikeUt wrote:
| > "Private security has zero authority on a public space," he
| later laments.
|
| An excellent argument against the privatization of public space,
| such as those privately-owned parks publicized during the Wall
| Street protests.
| throwaway0a5e wrote:
| So what's the big deal here? This is no different than any
| chartered university police department, transit infrastructure
| police, port police or govern department specific security force.
| All those forces exist for no reason other than to prioritize
| calls that would get laughed off or a "we'll get to it when we
| get to it" response from a local or state police department.
|
| The rent-a-cops employed by the company named in TFA have little
| difference from government rent-a-cops performing the same duties
| beyond who's letterhead they get their pay stubs on.
|
| Frankly I think allowing security forces to have police powers is
| crap loaded with perverse incentives and ripe for abuse. But also
| I see no reason why being buddy-buddy with the .gov should get
| the above mentioned types of security agencies law enforcement
| power while a private security force securing a private facility
| cannot do the same. Rent-a-cop is rent-a-cop. Either they all get
| to arrest a hobo for peeing in a corner or none of them do.
| nradov wrote:
| It's sad that the situation has come to this. Los Angeles and
| some other large cities have basically given up on enforcing
| minor crimes and so those who can afford it hire private
| security. Unfortunately this will make the situation worse for
| everyone in the long run by removing the pressure on the
| government to find real solutions
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