[HN Gopher] Tenacity: Floss Audacity Fork
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       Tenacity: Floss Audacity Fork
        
       Author : yewenjie
       Score  : 34 points
       Date   : 2021-07-08 19:45 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | teraflop wrote:
       | Notably, the previous maintainer of this fork stepped down a
       | couple of days ago, after a harassment campaign from 4chan
       | allegedly escalated to a violent attack.
       | 
       | https://github.com/tenacityteam/tenacity/issues/99
        
         | ushakov wrote:
         | in the news:
         | https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/07/tenacity_maintainer_q...
        
         | legostormtroopr wrote:
         | This is a gross oversimplification of the matter. This fork
         | asked the public for names (mistake) and when they didn't like
         | the most popular name they disqualfied it, and labelled any
         | attempts to ask why as trolling.
         | 
         | Given that the Tenacity team wanted to be a fork for everyone,
         | having their first action be refusing a popular vote was a bad
         | look and things _allegedly_ escalated from there.
        
           | viraptor wrote:
           | It's not an oversimplification - it doesn't matter what the
           | project did before. People always have the option not to use
           | it. Harassing people because they don't run the project as
           | you want cannot be excused.
        
           | cortesoft wrote:
           | What was the most popular name they rejected?
        
           | Arnavion wrote:
           | To be clear, regardless of whether they did an internet poll
           | properly or not, doling out physical violence because of it
           | was not justified in any way.
        
             | gsich wrote:
             | I don't know if there is evidence for that.
        
               | Arnavion wrote:
               | Sure, I'm not saying I have any. The original post
               | already said "allegedly" so I didn't feel the need to
               | repeat it.
        
       | djur wrote:
       | Is the implication that Audacity is no longer "FLOSS"?
        
         | CharlesW wrote:
         | That's how I read it. Since Audacity is FOSS, I'm inferring
         | that the developers believe that Audacity's new telemetry
         | capabilities conflict with the "L" = "free as in freedom" bit
         | of FLOSS.
        
           | xbar wrote:
           | I would guess that all three of the listed concerns are "free
           | as in freedon" concerns.
        
         | npongratz wrote:
         | The README appears to be explicit about the team's reasons for
         | forking: https://github.com/tenacityteam/tenacity#why-did-this-
         | projec...
         | 
         | To quote:
         | 
         | Why did this project fork audacity/audacity?
         | 
         | You can find more information on the causes of the fork here:
         | 
         | Privacy policy which may violate the original project's GPL
         | license [0]
         | 
         | Contributer's License Agreement (CLA) which may violate the
         | same GPL license [1]
         | 
         | Attempts at adding telemetry using Google services for data
         | collection [2]
         | 
         | [0] https://github.com/audacity/audacity/issues/1213
         | 
         | [1] https://github.com/audacity/audacity/discussions/932
         | 
         | [2] https://github.com/audacity/audacity/pull/835
        
       | albertzeyer wrote:
       | Related: Two Audacity Forks called "Tenacity" and "Sneedacity"
       | are crusading among themselves to be the true heir/successor of
       | Audacity
       | https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/og0csv/two_aud...
        
       | legostormtroopr wrote:
       | This is the third time this fork has shown up on HackerNews in as
       | many days, and all I've seen from this new group is bikeshedding
       | and drama.
       | 
       | They are more focused on picking a name, logo and who is in
       | charge than they are on pushing releases. By comparison,
       | Sneedcity is already making changes and pushing releases out.
       | 
       | IMO this is a group that is more interested in "owning" a popular
       | open-source project than they are _maintaining_ an open-source
       | project. Someone saw the Audacity drama as an opportunity to pad
       | their resume by  "running" an open-source project.
       | 
       | As ESR pointed out forks live and die by the legitimacy of the
       | broader community, and so far I haven't seen anything from these
       | team that suggests they are legitimate.
        
         | meibo wrote:
         | It's also funny to me that they're still linking to original
         | Audacity resources and forums.
         | 
         | Will be interesting to see if they'll actually "maintain" it or
         | just merge upstream once in a while and do releases.
        
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